<html>Gentlemen, I have participated in the rhel6 evaluations, both releases, from my experience, on-motherboard network not recognized / pci modem not supported / KDE not reasonably integrated or tested / ability to implement 'thin client' solution limited by all the above problems. The only reasonable response I have gotten is 'nobody else is having the problem' or in the case of the modem non-configuration a link to an ubuntu hint. If that is what we have come to, this release isn't ready. John <div> </div> <blockquote style="border-left: 2px solid rgb(0, 0, 255); padding-left: 5px; margin-left: 5px; margin-right: 0px;">-----Original Message----- From: rhelv6-beta-list-request@redhat.com [mailto:rhelv6-beta-list-request@redhat.com] Sent: Thursday, September 23, 2010 02:39 PM To: rhelv6-beta-list@redhat.com Subject: rhelv6-beta-list Digest, Vol 6, Issue 15 Send rhelv6-beta-list mailing list submissions to rhelv6-beta-list@redhat.com To subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, visit https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/rhelv6-beta-list or, via email, send a message with subject or body 'help' to rhelv6-beta-list-request@redhat.com You can reach the person managing the list at rhelv6-beta-list-owner@redhat.com When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specific than "Re: Contents of rhelv6-beta-list digest..." Today's Topics: 1. Re: RHEL6 finish (~ date) (Eric.Conrad@Emulex.Com) 2. Re: RHEL6 finish (~ date) (Ljubomir Ljubojevic) 3. Re: RHEL6 finish (~ date) (Chris Adams) 4. Re: RHEL6 finish (~ date) (Nico Kadel-Garcia) 5. Re: RHEL6 finish (~ date) (Ljubomir Ljubojevic) ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Message: 1 Date: Thu, 23 Sep 2010 09:03:33 -0700 From: <eric.conrad@emulex.com> To: <rhelv6-beta-list@redhat.com> Subject: Re: [rhelv6-beta-list] RHEL6 finish (~ date) Message-ID: <31B82B750B83E647A9EDEBA56AC11B7C03E9919C23@EXMAIL.ad.emulex.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" I'll shoot for December! Who's taking the bets? Eric Conrad From: rhelv6-beta-list-bounces@redhat.com [mailto:rhelv6-beta-list-bounces@redhat.com] On Behalf Of wariola@gmail.com Sent: Thursday, September 23, 2010 6:05 AM To: Red Hat Enterprise Linux 6 (Santiago) Beta releases discussion mailing-list Subject: Re: [rhelv6-beta-list] RHEL6 finish (~ date) I pick a guess.. its gonna be November. So add 1-2 months after that. On Thu, Sep 23, 2010 at 8:58 PM, Barry Brimer <lists@brimer.org><mailto:lists@brimer.org>> wrote: I am changing the network structure in my work place. I would like to use this fact and migration to RHEL 6 Desktop/Workstation. I need the support so can you tell me how many month I have to waiting for RHEL 6 Final? No one can tell you for sure, but in the RHT earnings call yesterday it was mentioned that it was expected before the end of the year. _______________________________________________ rhelv6-beta-list mailing list rhelv6-beta-list@redhat.com<mailto:rhelv6-beta-list@redhat.com> https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/rhelv6-beta-list -- .: war|ola :. Use Fedora Linux for better computing experience http://fedoraproject.org -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: <https: www.redhat.com="" archives="" rhelv6-beta-list="" attachments="" 20100923="" 78289b7e="" attachment.html=""> ------------------------------ Message: 2 Date: Thu, 23 Sep 2010 18:08:07 +0200 From: Ljubomir Ljubojevic <office@plnet.rs> To: "Red Hat Enterprise Linux 6 (Santiago) Beta releases discussion mailing-list" <rhelv6-beta-list@redhat.com> Subject: Re: [rhelv6-beta-list] RHEL6 finish (~ date) Message-ID: <4C9B7B67.8060004@plnet.rs> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Do all of you even realize how many bugs Red Hat has to resolve to move from Fedora sources to bugs free stable product?? If you even done ANY programming you would understand how complicated is to solve all the issues popping all the time. If they released unfinished or buggy product, they would lose much more than few inpatient customers. At the start of the year there was prediction that final product should be somewhere around October-November. Even that time frame gives them one month minimum. But all depends on how many unresolved bugs there are, and how much time they need to fix them. Once final product is out (stable and functional), all of you will choose it anyway because of exactly those functionalities. If not for those project then for the next. And remember, software products are not clothes or any other regular product that if late in production you can say how much time you need to finish it. As the launch of final product closes in, people start testing Beta software more and more, and more and more bugs are being reported. That causes release date to be pushed further down the road but also means that product will be more stable. Ljubomir Shelby, James wrote: > " When Red Hat won't > help with the plan, the plan is going to exclude Red Hat." > > Exactly that. Due to RHEL6 beta not working with our Enterprise it was removed from a usable product after my bugzillas about Evolution and Pidgin not being included in the final product however someone at RedHat took note and the Evolution was resolved :-) yay..and the pidgin plugin "can" be built from scratch so I am happy they took the time to include the Evolution-mapi update and not pushed RHEL6 out as an incomplete product. > > ------------------------------ Message: 3 Date: Thu, 23 Sep 2010 12:50:35 -0500 From: Chris Adams <cmadams@hiwaay.net> To: "Red Hat Enterprise Linux 6 (Santiago) Beta releases discussion mailing-list" <rhelv6-beta-list@redhat.com> Subject: Re: [rhelv6-beta-list] RHEL6 finish (~ date) Message-ID: <20100923175035.GC15387@hiwaay.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Once upon a time, Ljubomir Ljubojevic <office@plnet.rs> said: > Do all of you even realize how many bugs Red Hat has to resolve to move > from Fedora sources to bugs free stable product?? If you even done ANY > programming you would understand how complicated is to solve all the > issues popping all the time. Yes, I do understand that. But then I look at the differences between beta1 and beta2 and see some significant version changes (such as Dovecot jumping from 1.2.9 to 2.0beta8 - a beta version in RHEL?), which should not be happening after a beta release. That indicates to me poor project management and the possibility of an even more delayed release (which may cause additional packages to get upgrades, causing more delays, etc.), or a rushed release that is not stable. Now, I'd much prefer to see Dovecot 2.0 in a long-term release like RHEL, but a change like that should have been made before the first beta. What I heard originally was that RHEL 6 was going to be based on Fedora 12, which was released almost a year ago. When the first RHEL 6 beta was released, there were a fair number of packages that looked to be based on Fedora 13 instead, which indicates much less testing time (and throwing away some of the Fedora-based testing, since the package mix was changed). The second beta upgraded some packages to newer versions that appear to be based on the Fedora 14 development tree (F14 will reach beta next week). -- Chris Adams <cmadams@hiwaay.net> Systems and Network Administrator - HiWAAY Internet Services I don't speak for anybody but myself - that's enough trouble. ------------------------------ Message: 4 Date: Thu, 23 Sep 2010 17:38:49 -0400 From: Nico Kadel-Garcia <nkadel@gmail.com> To: office@plnet.rs, "Red Hat Enterprise Linux 6 (Santiago) Beta releases discussion mailing-list" <rhelv6-beta-list@redhat.com> Subject: Re: [rhelv6-beta-list] RHEL6 finish (~ date) Message-ID: <aanlktinekhez4tor3-752g=5ratwowsie=5kvqxm1pd4@mail.gmail.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 On Thu, Sep 23, 2010 at 12:08 PM, Ljubomir Ljubojevic <office@plnet.rs> wrote: > Do all of you even realize how many bugs Red Hat has to resolve to move from > Fedora sources to bugs free stable product?? If you even done ANY > programming you would understand how complicated is to solve all the issues > popping all the time. Yes, we realize. That's what I'd like to pay RedHat to do, but I can't submit an estimate of release dates for software that will require features from RHEL 6, such as Samba or Python or PHP updates, without an estimate of the OS release date. ------------------------------ Message: 5 Date: Thu, 23 Sep 2010 23:38:56 +0200 From: Ljubomir Ljubojevic <office@plnet.rs> To: "Red Hat Enterprise Linux 6 (Santiago) Beta releases discussion mailing-list" <rhelv6-beta-list@redhat.com> Subject: Re: [rhelv6-beta-list] RHEL6 finish (~ date) Message-ID: <4C9BC8F0.4090705@plnet.rs> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed A fair number of those packages made it to RHEL 6 because of the request of the large paying customers asking for it through support channels (etc.). Red Hat resisted at first to most of them, and few never maid it past requests (like python I believe). Others were wighted carefully. If they are in there, they must be giving good quality increase vs. time delay. Since RHEL must be in the operation possibly without mayor packege change for next 7 years, any enhancement now is for me a welcome change. Beta packages that does not affect other packages can be in beta state, since their bugs can not manifest on other components, and I am sure Red Hat first consulted author (and maybe even made financial contribution to make sure that package gets out of beta stage until final RHEL release. If it were any other distro, I would most likely think as you are, but since I use refreshed CentOS 5 (My knowledge level does not need Red Hat support) for desktop duty even now, I can very much appreciate Red Hat forcing newer packages where ever stability is not an issue. Further more, since I use CentOS and not RHEL itself, I am bound to wait another 2-3 months after RHEL 6.0 final for my distro, and since my Notebook now runs RHEL 6 Beta 2 exclusively, I can tell you CentOS/RHEL 5.x shortcomings (very old packages and udev) drive me nuts. But I still do not want them hurrying the release. I can wait now little longer so I do not suffer 3-4 years from now. Ljubomir Chris Adams wrote: > Once upon a time, Ljubomir Ljubojevic <office@plnet.rs> said: >> Do all of you even realize how many bugs Red Hat has to resolve to move >> from Fedora sources to bugs free stable product?? If you even done ANY >> programming you would understand how complicated is to solve all the >> issues popping all the time. > > Yes, I do understand that. But then I look at the differences between > beta1 and beta2 and see some significant version changes (such as > Dovecot jumping from 1.2.9 to 2.0beta8 - a beta version in RHEL?), which > should not be happening after a beta release. That indicates to me poor > project management and the possibility of an even more delayed release > (which may cause additional packages to get upgrades, causing more > delays, etc.), or a rushed release that is not stable. > > Now, I'd much prefer to see Dovecot 2.0 in a long-term release like > RHEL, but a change like that should have been made before the first > beta. > > What I heard originally was that RHEL 6 was going to be based on Fedora > 12, which was released almost a year ago. When the first RHEL 6 beta > was released, there were a fair number of packages that looked to be > based on Fedora 13 instead, which indicates much less testing time (and > throwing away some of the Fedora-based testing, since the package mix > was changed). The second beta upgraded some packages to newer versions > that appear to be based on the Fedora 14 development tree (F14 will > reach beta next week). > ------------------------------ _______________________________________________ rhelv6-beta-list mailing list rhelv6-beta-list@redhat.com https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/rhelv6-beta-list End of rhelv6-beta-list Digest, Vol 6, Issue 15 *********************************************** </office@plnet.rs></rhelv6-beta-list@redhat.com></office@plnet.rs></office@plnet.rs></aanlktinekhez4tor3-752g=5ratwowsie=5kvqxm1pd4@mail.gmail.com></rhelv6-beta-list@redhat.com></nkadel@gmail.com></cmadams@hiwaay.net></office@plnet.rs></rhelv6-beta-list@redhat.com></cmadams@hiwaay.net></rhelv6-beta-list@redhat.com></office@plnet.rs></https:></mailto:rhelv6-beta-list@redhat.com></mailto:lists@brimer.org></lists@brimer.org></rhelv6-beta-list@redhat.com></eric.conrad@emulex.com></blockquote></html>