From tom.robinson at motec.com.au Tue Apr 1 05:08:15 2014 From: tom.robinson at motec.com.au (Tom Robinson) Date: Tue, 01 Apr 2014 16:08:15 +1100 Subject: [rhelv6-list] RHEL6 write barriers on MD and LVM devices Message-ID: <533A49BF.2090002@motec.com.au> On Sat, Mar 15, 2014 at 9:54 AM, Jason Keltz > wrote: Hi everyone.. I've seen a lot of conflicting information with respect to support of write barriers on MD and LVM devices under RHEL6. I'm surprised that this question hasn't come up on this list before! I'm building a system with MD RAID10, and putting LVM on top of it, using ext4 filesystems. I'd like to know whether write barriers are supported through the complete chain in this environment. When I mount the filesystems, there are no kernel errors that barriers are not supported, but I don't want to be under the false impression that barriers "appear" to be supported, yet are not. For example, I've read that barriers were only supported on MD at all levels in 2.6.33 (previously only RAID1). While RHEL6 is based on 2.6.32, I "assume" that RH would backport an important change like that, or, at least have a warning in the documentation, but I can't find any mention of this. I've also read quite mixed messages about barrier support in LVM as well. Any help would be much appreciated. Hi, I've searched for a solid answer to this question myself but so far I'm still in the dark. Can anyone categorically state for the record (or point to some clear documentation) whether or not write barrier support is indeed implemented for LVM under RHEL 6? My expectation is that LVM write barrier support will have been back-ported to the current 2.6.32 RHEL kernel. I've googled until my fingers and eyes are sore but I can't find anything to support that assumption. I looked here, too: https://access.redhat.com/site/documentation/en-US/Red_Hat_Enterprise_Linux/6/html-single/6.5_Technical_Notes/index.html But it's inconclusive as to the support for write barriers in LVM. Help please. Anyone? Kind regards, Tom -- Tom Robinson IT Manager/System Administrator MoTeC Pty Ltd 121 Merrindale Drive Croydon South 3136 Victoria Australia T: +61 3 9761 5050 F: +61 3 9761 5051 E: tom.robinson at motec.com.au -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: signature.asc Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 263 bytes Desc: OpenPGP digital signature URL: From mirko.vukovic at gmail.com Fri Apr 4 14:34:34 2014 From: mirko.vukovic at gmail.com (Mirko Vukovic) Date: Fri, 4 Apr 2014 10:34:34 -0400 Subject: [rhelv6-list] what does hostid return? Message-ID: Hello, A software vendor asked me to provide a hostid for a software license. I typed in hostid, got an eight digit hexadecimal number and emailed it to them. However, they were looking for a 12 digit hex number. I sent them the hardware address of eth0. My question is: how is the hostid number obtained? Is it from a disk drive, or some other hardware. I could not find information online. Thank you, Mirko -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From orion at cora.nwra.com Fri Apr 4 14:45:55 2014 From: orion at cora.nwra.com (Orion Poplawski) Date: Fri, 04 Apr 2014 08:45:55 -0600 Subject: [rhelv6-list] what does hostid return? In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <533EC5A3.6090802@cora.nwra.com> On 04/04/2014 08:34 AM, Mirko Vukovic wrote: > Hello, > > A software vendor asked me to provide a hostid for a software license. > > I typed in hostid, got an eight digit hexadecimal number and emailed it to them. > > However, they were looking for a 12 digit hex number. > > I sent them the hardware address of eth0. > > My question is: how is the hostid number obtained? Is it from a disk drive, > or some other hardware. I could not find information online. There is no single "hostid", it is entirely dependent on the software in question. The software vendor should provide instructions on how to obtain it. -- Orion Poplawski Technical Manager 303-415-9701 x222 NWRA, Boulder/CoRA Office FAX: 303-415-9702 3380 Mitchell Lane orion at nwra.com Boulder, CO 80301 http://www.nwra.com From hugh-brown at uiowa.edu Fri Apr 4 14:46:26 2014 From: hugh-brown at uiowa.edu (Brown, Hugh M) Date: Fri, 4 Apr 2014 14:46:26 +0000 Subject: [rhelv6-list] what does hostid return? In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <4CBFC57AEB90DE4A809D02F51B6B221202353113@itsnt426.iowa.uiowa.edu> -----Original Message----- From: rhelv6-list-bounces at redhat.com [mailto:rhelv6-list-bounces at redhat.com] On Behalf Of Mirko Vukovic Sent: Friday, April 04, 2014 9:35 AM To: Red Hat Enterprise Linux 6 (Santiago) discussion mailing-list Subject: [rhelv6-list] what does hostid return? Hello, A software vendor asked me to provide a hostid for a software license. I typed in hostid, got an eight digit hexadecimal number and emailed it to them. However, they were looking for a 12 digit hex number. I sent them the hardware address of eth0. My question is: how is the hostid number obtained? Is it from a disk drive, or some other hardware. I could not find information online. Thank you, Mirko I've seen hostid used for products that are using FlexLM as a licensing daemon. It's typically just the MAC address of the 'primary' interface. I haven't had to deal with the situation where the system had multiple active interfaces though. The command for FlexLM licensed products is lmhostid and is part of the flexlm install. HTH, Hugh From mark.whidby at manchester.ac.uk Fri Apr 4 14:53:32 2014 From: mark.whidby at manchester.ac.uk (Mark Whidby) Date: Fri, 04 Apr 2014 15:53:32 +0100 Subject: [rhelv6-list] what does hostid return? In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <1396623213.31347.10.camel@mw.eps.manchester.ac.uk> On Fri, 2014-04-04 at 10:34 -0400, Mirko Vukovic wrote: > Hello, > > > A software vendor asked me to provide a hostid for a software license. > > > I typed in hostid, got an eight digit hexadecimal number and emailed > it to them. > > > However, they were looking for a 12 digit hex number. > > I sent them the hardware address of eth0. > > > My question is: how is the hostid number obtained? Is it from a disk > drive, or some other hardware. I could not find information online. I can't remember how I found this out but if you split the 8 digits of the number from hostid into pairs and convert them to decimal you should get your IP address in the order: octet2 octet1 octet4 octet3 Try this: printf "%d %d %d %d\n" $(hostid | sed 's/../ 0x&/g') I hope this helps. -- Mark Whidby Infrastructure Coordinator (Unix) Physics/Chemistry/EAES/Mathematics Team IT Services, Faculty of Engineering and Physical Sciences From jsbillin at umich.edu Fri Apr 4 14:57:29 2014 From: jsbillin at umich.edu (Jonathan Billings) Date: Fri, 4 Apr 2014 10:57:29 -0400 Subject: [rhelv6-list] what does hostid return? In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: If you're looking at the output of the 'hostid' program in RHEL6, most likely it's the IP address returned by gethostbyname(), represented in hexadecimal, unless you've set it specifically with sethostid(). Look at the man page for gethostid(3). On Fri, Apr 4, 2014 at 10:34 AM, Mirko Vukovic wrote: > Hello, > > A software vendor asked me to provide a hostid for a software license. > > I typed in hostid, got an eight digit hexadecimal number and emailed it to > them. > > However, they were looking for a 12 digit hex number. > > I sent them the hardware address of eth0. > > My question is: how is the hostid number obtained? Is it from a disk > drive, or some other hardware. I could not find information online. > > Thank you, > > Mirko > > _______________________________________________ > rhelv6-list mailing list > rhelv6-list at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/rhelv6-list > -- Jonathan Billings College of Engineering - CAEN - Unix and Linux Support -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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URL: From evilensky at gmail.com Fri Apr 18 14:30:48 2014 From: evilensky at gmail.com (Eugene Vilensky) Date: Fri, 18 Apr 2014 09:30:48 -0500 Subject: [rhelv6-list] RHEL7 mailing list Message-ID: Hello, Forgive me for not reading the entirety of last-year's discussion on the issue, but is it fair statement at this point that Red Hat, Inc. won't be hosting a new mailing list for RHEL7 specific discussion? http://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo Thanks kindly, Eugene From bda20 at cam.ac.uk Fri Apr 18 14:35:59 2014 From: bda20 at cam.ac.uk (Ben) Date: Fri, 18 Apr 2014 15:35:59 +0100 (BST) Subject: [rhelv6-list] RHEL7 mailing list In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: On Fri, 18 Apr 2014, Eugene Vilensky wrote: > Forgive me for not reading the entirety of last-year's discussion on the > issue, but is it fair statement at this point that Red Hat, Inc. won't be > hosting a new mailing list for RHEL7 specific discussion? Haven't you heard? Email is so last century. Ben (yes, I think it's an ill-conceived idea not to have one) -- Unix Support, MISD, University of Cambridge, England From evilensky at gmail.com Fri Apr 18 17:30:45 2014 From: evilensky at gmail.com (Eugene Vilensky) Date: Fri, 18 Apr 2014 12:30:45 -0500 Subject: [rhelv6-list] RHEL7 mailing list In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: On Fri, Apr 18, 2014 at 9:35 AM, Ben wrote: > On Fri, 18 Apr 2014, Eugene Vilensky wrote: > >> Forgive me for not reading the entirety of last-year's discussion on the >> issue, but is it fair statement at this point that Red Hat, Inc. won't be >> hosting a new mailing list for RHEL7 specific discussion? > > > Haven't you heard? Email is so last century. > > Ben (yes, I think it's an ill-conceived idea not to have one) That is a shame. I'm more of a centos customer (whatever that might be) at this point than a rhel customer, but those lists appear to have an unfavorable signal to noise (imho). From herrold at owlriver.com Fri Apr 18 18:33:20 2014 From: herrold at owlriver.com (R P Herrold) Date: Fri, 18 Apr 2014 14:33:20 -0400 (EDT) Subject: [rhelv6-list] RHEL7 mailing list In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 On Fri, 18 Apr 2014, Eugene Vilensky wrote: > Forgive me for not reading the entirety of last-year's discussion on > the issue, but is it fair statement at this point that Red Hat, Inc. > won't be hosting a new mailing list for RHEL7 specific discussion? > > http://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo The 'trailhead' for that discussion was over here: https://www.redhat.com/archives/rhelv6-beta-list/2013-December/thread.html and I came away with the conclusion that at Least Bryan J Smith (for whom I have great respect in some matters) who is at Red Hat) was strongly advocating for a migration to other support venue Problem as I see it is that some such venue do ,and some do not leave 'breadcrumbs' that others can follow and read, and major search engines find hidden nuggets in. The thread petered out, and as you remark, no list for '7' (assuming for the sake of argument that which will be its name) has appeared Also the Red Hat acquisition and rework of the formerly independent CentOS communication venue seems substantially complete. A later post also cites dissappointment as to information density No big deal. I would rather light a candle than curse the darkness. This will be my only post here on this matter Please feel free to join the mailing list at: http://lists.clefos.org/mailman/listinfo/enterpriseseven-list if you are interested in the approach of an independent mailing list on the next major enterprise OS product (binary and 'from sources' rebuilds) from our host. I would hope to run it with civility and to stay close on topic. As need admits, additional lists are of course possible, but by and large, I hope that the RHEL and CentOS mailing lists venues will suffice for the next major release - -- Russ herrold -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v2.0.14 (GNU/Linux) iEYEARECAAYFAlNRb/UACgkQMRh1QZtklkSW5QCfZtVVgn84xOtcpa2+gnScQere MUkAn3f3sXo3pb+SOCWBjafYxNeJOeki =/H4O -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- From b.j.smith at ieee.org Sat Apr 19 00:06:23 2014 From: b.j.smith at ieee.org (Bryan J Smith) Date: Fri, 18 Apr 2014 20:06:23 -0400 Subject: [rhelv6-list] [rhelv6-beta-list] RHEL7 mailing list In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: I do not speak for anyone but m myself, a 20 year Linux Professional involved with many projects. All I stated is that capture and reuse works very well via other avenues. Mailing lists get more limiting, and consistently revisit issues, at 10-25K+ users. Sun and Linux Managers mitigate this with a reply off-list/Summary on-list approach. Although I did find it humorous when at least two individuals stated they did not care for Bugzilla. Kinda made my point for me. ;) On Apr 18, 2014 11:34 AM, "R P Herrold" wrote: > -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- > Hash: SHA1 > > On Fri, 18 Apr 2014, Eugene Vilensky wrote: > > > Forgive me for not reading the entirety of last-year's discussion on > > the issue, but is it fair statement at this point that Red Hat, Inc. > > won't be hosting a new mailing list for RHEL7 specific discussion? > > > > http://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo > > The 'trailhead' for that discussion was over here: > > https://www.redhat.com/archives/rhelv6-beta-list/2013-December/thread.html > > and I came away with the conclusion that at Least Bryan J > Smith (for whom I have great respect in some matters) who is > at Red Hat) was strongly advocating for a migration to other > support venue > > Problem as I see it is that some such venue do ,and some do > not leave 'breadcrumbs' that others can follow and read, and > major search engines find hidden nuggets in. The thread > petered out, and as you remark, no list for '7' (assuming for > the sake of argument that which will be its name) has appeared > > Also the Red Hat acquisition and rework of the formerly > independent CentOS communication venue seems substantially > complete. A later post also cites dissappointment as to > information density > > No big deal. I would rather light a candle than curse the > darkness. This will be my only post here on this matter > > Please feel free to join the mailing list at: > http://lists.clefos.org/mailman/listinfo/enterpriseseven-list > if you are interested in the approach of an independent > mailing list on the next major enterprise OS product (binary > and 'from sources' rebuilds) from our host. I would hope to > run it with civility and to stay close on topic. 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URL: From solarflow99 at gmail.com Sun Apr 20 14:56:45 2014 From: solarflow99 at gmail.com (solarflow99) Date: Sun, 20 Apr 2014 10:56:45 -0400 Subject: [rhelv6-list] [rhelv6-beta-list] RHEL7 mailing list In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: I think a separate list for EL7 may not really be necessary, but I sure hope mailing lists will continue, I'd really hate to see that go. When I look at forums, there's a lot of activity in Fedora, I guess the younger generation prefers not using email as much? :) The ML's have always been more of a keeping in touch with things for me, rather than a than a tool to search for bugs/solutions On Fri, Apr 18, 2014 at 8:06 PM, Bryan J Smith wrote: > I do not speak for anyone but m myself, a 20 year Linux Professional > involved with many projects. > > All I stated is that capture and reuse works very well via other avenues. > Mailing lists get more limiting, and consistently revisit issues, at > 10-25K+ users. Sun and Linux Managers mitigate this with a reply > off-list/Summary on-list approach. > > Although I did find it humorous when at least two individuals stated they > did not care for Bugzilla. Kinda made my point for me. ;) > On Apr 18, 2014 11:34 AM, "R P Herrold" wrote: > >> -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- >> Hash: SHA1 >> >> On Fri, 18 Apr 2014, Eugene Vilensky wrote: >> >> > Forgive me for not reading the entirety of last-year's discussion on >> > the issue, but is it fair statement at this point that Red Hat, Inc. >> > won't be hosting a new mailing list for RHEL7 specific discussion? >> > >> > http://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo >> >> The 'trailhead' for that discussion was over here: >> >> https://www.redhat.com/archives/rhelv6-beta-list/2013-December/thread.html >> >> and I came away with the conclusion that at Least Bryan J >> Smith (for whom I have great respect in some matters) who is >> at Red Hat) was strongly advocating for a migration to other >> support venue >> >> Problem as I see it is that some such venue do ,and some do >> not leave 'breadcrumbs' that others can follow and read, and >> major search engines find hidden nuggets in. The thread >> petered out, and as you remark, no list for '7' (assuming for >> the sake of argument that which will be its name) has appeared >> >> Also the Red Hat acquisition and rework of the formerly >> independent CentOS communication venue seems substantially >> complete. A later post also cites dissappointment as to >> information density >> >> No big deal. I would rather light a candle than curse the >> darkness. This will be my only post here on this matter >> >> Please feel free to join the mailing list at: >> http://lists.clefos.org/mailman/listinfo/enterpriseseven-list >> if you are interested in the approach of an independent >> mailing list on the next major enterprise OS product (binary >> and 'from sources' rebuilds) from our host. I would hope to >> run it with civility and to stay close on topic. As need >> admits, additional lists are of course possible, but by and >> large, I hope that the RHEL and CentOS mailing lists venues >> will suffice for the next major release >> >> - -- Russ herrold >> >> -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- >> Version: GnuPG v2.0.14 (GNU/Linux) >> >> iEYEARECAAYFAlNRb/UACgkQMRh1QZtklkSW5QCfZtVVgn84xOtcpa2+gnScQere >> MUkAn3f3sXo3pb+SOCWBjafYxNeJOeki >> =/H4O >> -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- >> >> _______________________________________________ >> rhelv6-beta-list mailing list >> rhelv6-beta-list at redhat.com >> https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/rhelv6-beta-list >> > > _______________________________________________ > rhelv6-list mailing list > rhelv6-list at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/rhelv6-list > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From fpicabia at gmail.com Tue Apr 22 12:55:25 2014 From: fpicabia at gmail.com (francis picabia) Date: Tue, 22 Apr 2014 09:55:25 -0300 Subject: [rhelv6-list] [rhelv6-beta-list] RHEL7 mailing list In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: My response on this topic is an observation for which I think many of you can concur. Mailing lists include informed replies, and are usually answered. Forums tend to include misinformed responses, silly solutions like "I installed Gentoo and the problem went away", and postings with no replies. My all time favourite is the posting with the exact problem you've seen and the OP simply posts: "never mind, the problem is resolved". For example, if I google a problem and a link for a match is pointing to Ubuntu forums, I don't even bother looking at it - the quality is so low, and so many postings are unresolved. On Sun, Apr 20, 2014 at 11:56 AM, solarflow99 wrote: > I think a separate list for EL7 may not really be necessary, but I sure > hope mailing lists will continue, I'd really hate to see that go. > > When I look at forums, there's a lot of activity in Fedora, I guess the > younger generation prefers not using email as much? :) > The ML's have always been more of a keeping in touch with things for me, > rather than a than a tool to search for bugs/solutions > > > > On Fri, Apr 18, 2014 at 8:06 PM, Bryan J Smith wrote: > >> I do not speak for anyone but m myself, a 20 year Linux Professional >> involved with many projects. >> >> All I stated is that capture and reuse works very well via other avenues. >> Mailing lists get more limiting, and consistently revisit issues, at >> 10-25K+ users. Sun and Linux Managers mitigate this with a reply >> off-list/Summary on-list approach. >> >> Although I did find it humorous when at least two individuals stated they >> did not care for Bugzilla. Kinda made my point for me. ;) >> On Apr 18, 2014 11:34 AM, "R P Herrold" wrote: >> >>> -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- >>> Hash: SHA1 >>> >>> On Fri, 18 Apr 2014, Eugene Vilensky wrote: >>> >>> > Forgive me for not reading the entirety of last-year's discussion on >>> > the issue, but is it fair statement at this point that Red Hat, Inc. >>> > won't be hosting a new mailing list for RHEL7 specific discussion? >>> > >>> > http://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo >>> >>> The 'trailhead' for that discussion was over here: >>> >>> https://www.redhat.com/archives/rhelv6-beta-list/2013-December/thread.html >>> >>> and I came away with the conclusion that at Least Bryan J >>> Smith (for whom I have great respect in some matters) who is >>> at Red Hat) was strongly advocating for a migration to other >>> support venue >>> >>> Problem as I see it is that some such venue do ,and some do >>> not leave 'breadcrumbs' that others can follow and read, and >>> major search engines find hidden nuggets in. The thread >>> petered out, and as you remark, no list for '7' (assuming for >>> the sake of argument that which will be its name) has appeared >>> >>> Also the Red Hat acquisition and rework of the formerly >>> independent CentOS communication venue seems substantially >>> complete. A later post also cites dissappointment as to >>> information density >>> >>> No big deal. I would rather light a candle than curse the >>> darkness. This will be my only post here on this matter >>> >>> Please feel free to join the mailing list at: >>> http://lists.clefos.org/mailman/listinfo/enterpriseseven-list >>> if you are interested in the approach of an independent >>> mailing list on the next major enterprise OS product (binary >>> and 'from sources' rebuilds) from our host. I would hope to >>> run it with civility and to stay close on topic. As need >>> admits, additional lists are of course possible, but by and >>> large, I hope that the RHEL and CentOS mailing lists venues >>> will suffice for the next major release >>> >>> - -- Russ herrold >>> >>> -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- >>> Version: GnuPG v2.0.14 (GNU/Linux) >>> >>> iEYEARECAAYFAlNRb/UACgkQMRh1QZtklkSW5QCfZtVVgn84xOtcpa2+gnScQere >>> MUkAn3f3sXo3pb+SOCWBjafYxNeJOeki >>> =/H4O >>> -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> rhelv6-beta-list mailing list >>> rhelv6-beta-list at redhat.com >>> https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/rhelv6-beta-list >>> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> rhelv6-list mailing list >> rhelv6-list at redhat.com >> https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/rhelv6-list >> > > > _______________________________________________ > rhelv6-list mailing list > rhelv6-list at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/rhelv6-list > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From brilong at cisco.com Tue Apr 22 13:31:01 2014 From: brilong at cisco.com (Brian Long (brilong)) Date: Tue, 22 Apr 2014 13:31:01 +0000 Subject: [rhelv6-list] [rhelv6-beta-list] RHEL7 mailing list In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <1BD2C0D4-6EE9-4C28-BA4A-29F3DAA9BE3A@cisco.com> I concur. What if we set up a rhelv7-list at anotherdomain.com? I?m thinking Red Hat might get the hint if a bunch of us subscribe to this list and start discussing the new release. :) /Brian/ -- Brian Long | | Research Triangle Park, NC . | | | . | | | . ' ' C I S C O On Apr 22, 2014, at 8:55 AM, francis picabia > wrote: My response on this topic is an observation for which I think many of you can concur. Mailing lists include informed replies, and are usually answered. Forums tend to include misinformed responses, silly solutions like "I installed Gentoo and the problem went away", and postings with no replies. My all time favourite is the posting with the exact problem you've seen and the OP simply posts: "never mind, the problem is resolved". For example, if I google a problem and a link for a match is pointing to Ubuntu forums, I don't even bother looking at it - the quality is so low, and so many postings are unresolved. On Sun, Apr 20, 2014 at 11:56 AM, solarflow99 > wrote: I think a separate list for EL7 may not really be necessary, but I sure hope mailing lists will continue, I'd really hate to see that go. When I look at forums, there's a lot of activity in Fedora, I guess the younger generation prefers not using email as much? :) The ML's have always been more of a keeping in touch with things for me, rather than a than a tool to search for bugs/solutions On Fri, Apr 18, 2014 at 8:06 PM, Bryan J Smith > wrote: I do not speak for anyone but m myself, a 20 year Linux Professional involved with many projects. All I stated is that capture and reuse works very well via other avenues. Mailing lists get more limiting, and consistently revisit issues, at 10-25K+ users. Sun and Linux Managers mitigate this with a reply off-list/Summary on-list approach. Although I did find it humorous when at least two individuals stated they did not care for Bugzilla. Kinda made my point for me. ;) On Apr 18, 2014 11:34 AM, "R P Herrold" > wrote: -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 On Fri, 18 Apr 2014, Eugene Vilensky wrote: Forgive me for not reading the entirety of last-year's discussion on the issue, but is it fair statement at this point that Red Hat, Inc. won't be hosting a new mailing list for RHEL7 specific discussion? http://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo The 'trailhead' for that discussion was over here: https://www.redhat.com/archives/rhelv6-beta-list/2013-December/thread.html and I came away with the conclusion that at Least Bryan J Smith (for whom I have great respect in some matters) who is at Red Hat) was strongly advocating for a migration to other support venue Problem as I see it is that some such venue do ,and some do not leave 'breadcrumbs' that others can follow and read, and major search engines find hidden nuggets in. The thread petered out, and as you remark, no list for '7' (assuming for the sake of argument that which will be its name) has appeared Also the Red Hat acquisition and rework of the formerly independent CentOS communication venue seems substantially complete. A later post also cites dissappointment as to information density No big deal. I would rather light a candle than curse the darkness. This will be my only post here on this matter Please feel free to join the mailing list at: http://lists.clefos.org/mailman/listinfo/enterpriseseven-list if you are interested in the approach of an independent mailing list on the next major enterprise OS product (binary and 'from sources' rebuilds) from our host. I would hope to run it with civility and to stay close on topic. 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URL: From hs at nhn.ou.edu Tue Apr 22 13:41:56 2014 From: hs at nhn.ou.edu (Horst Severini) Date: Tue, 22 Apr 2014 08:41:56 -0500 Subject: [rhelv6-list] [rhelv6-beta-list] RHEL7 mailing list In-Reply-To: <1BD2C0D4-6EE9-4C28-BA4A-29F3DAA9BE3A@cisco.com> References: <1BD2C0D4-6EE9-4C28-BA4A-29F3DAA9BE3A@cisco.com> Message-ID: <201404221341.s3MDfuBs004133@particle.nhn.ou.edu> Hi all, I know the 'me too' posting is generally frowned upon on most mailing lists, but I think this time I will make an exception and hope people will forgive me. Like many on this list, I too think that a mailing list is MUCH more useful than a forum, or, heaven forbid, a facebook group. ;) Cheers, Horst "Brian Long (brilong)" wrote: > I concur. What if we set up a rhelv7-list at anotherdomain.com? I?m thinking Red Hat might get the hint if a bunch of us subscribe to this list and start discussing the new release. :) > > /Brian/ > -- > Brian Long | | > Research Triangle Park, NC . | | | . | | | . > ' ' > C I S C O > > On Apr 22, 2014, at 8:55 AM, francis picabia > wrote: > > My response on this topic is an observation for which I think many of you > can concur. > Mailing lists include informed replies, and are usually answered. > Forums tend to include misinformed responses, silly solutions > like "I installed Gentoo and the problem went away", and postings with no > replies. > My all time favourite is the posting with the exact problem you've seen and > the > OP simply posts: "never mind, the problem is resolved". > > For example, if I google a problem and a link for a match is pointing to > Ubuntu forums, > I don't even bother looking at it - the quality is so low, and so many > postings are unresolved. > > > > On Sun, Apr 20, 2014 at 11:56 AM, solarflow99 > wrote: > > I think a separate list for EL7 may not really be necessary, but I sure > hope mailing lists will continue, I'd really hate to see that go. > > When I look at forums, there's a lot of activity in Fedora, I guess the > younger generation prefers not using email as much? :) > The ML's have always been more of a keeping in touch with things for me, > rather than a than a tool to search for bugs/solutions > > > > On Fri, Apr 18, 2014 at 8:06 PM, Bryan J Smith > wrote: > > I do not speak for anyone but m myself, a 20 year Linux Professional > involved with many projects. > > All I stated is that capture and reuse works very well via other avenues. > Mailing lists get more limiting, and consistently revisit issues, at > 10-25K+ users. Sun and Linux Managers mitigate this with a reply > off-list/Summary on-list approach. > > Although I did find it humorous when at least two individuals stated they > did not care for Bugzilla. Kinda made my point for me. ;) > On Apr 18, 2014 11:34 AM, "R P Herrold" > wrote: > > -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- > Hash: SHA1 > > On Fri, 18 Apr 2014, Eugene Vilensky wrote: > > Forgive me for not reading the entirety of last-year's discussion on > the issue, but is it fair statement at this point that Red Hat, Inc. > won't be hosting a new mailing list for RHEL7 specific discussion? > > http://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo > > The 'trailhead' for that discussion was over here: > > https://www.redhat.com/archives/rhelv6-beta-list/2013-December/thread.html > > and I came away with the conclusion that at Least Bryan J > Smith (for whom I have great respect in some matters) who is > at Red Hat) was strongly advocating for a migration to other > support venue > > Problem as I see it is that some such venue do ,and some do > not leave 'breadcrumbs' that others can follow and read, and > major search engines find hidden nuggets in. The thread > petered out, and as you remark, no list for '7' (assuming for > the sake of argument that which will be its name) has appeared > > Also the Red Hat acquisition and rework of the formerly > independent CentOS communication venue seems substantially > complete. A later post also cites dissappointment as to > information density > > No big deal. I would rather light a candle than curse the > darkness. This will be my only post here on this matter > > Please feel free to join the mailing list at: > http://lists.clefos.org/mailman/listinfo/enterpriseseven-list > if you are interested in the approach of an independent > mailing list on the next major enterprise OS product (binary > and 'from sources' rebuilds) from our host. I would hope to > run it with civility and to stay close on topic. As need > admits, additional lists are of course possible, but by and > large, I hope that the RHEL and CentOS mailing lists venues > will suffice for the next major release > > - -- Russ herrold > > -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- > Version: GnuPG v2.0.14 (GNU/Linux) > > iEYEARECAAYFAlNRb/UACgkQMRh1QZtklkSW5QCfZtVVgn84xOtcpa2+gnScQere > MUkAn3f3sXo3pb+SOCWBjafYxNeJOeki > =/H4O > -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- > > _______________________________________________ > rhelv6-beta-list mailing list > rhelv6-beta-list at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/rhelv6-beta-list > > > _______________________________________________ > rhelv6-list mailing list > rhelv6-list at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/rhelv6-list > > > > _______________________________________________ > rhelv6-list mailing list > rhelv6-list at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/rhelv6-list > > _______________________________________________ > rhelv6-list mailing list > rhelv6-list at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/rhelv6-list > From eng-partner-management at redhat.com Wed Apr 23 21:15:46 2014 From: eng-partner-management at redhat.com (Engineering Partner Management) Date: Wed, 23 Apr 2014 17:15:46 -0400 Subject: [rhelv6-list] Red Hat Enterprise Linux 7 Release Candidate Available for Download Message-ID: <53582D82.7060803@redhat.com> As mentioned during Red Hat Summit 2014 last week[1], we are excited to announce that Red Hat Enterprise Linux 7 Release Candidate (RC) is now publicly available for testing. A pre-release build of Red Hat Enterprise Linux 7, Red Hat Enterprise Linux 7 RC offers a near-final look at Red Hat?s flagship operating system crafted for the open hybrid cloud, building upon the feedback collected during the beta program[2] for Red Hat Enterprise Linux 7. Vital for helping Red Hat?s strategic partners facilitate full certification of their applications and systems with Red Hat Enterprise Linux 7, Red Hat Enterprise Linux 7 RC is now accessible to all interested parties, from end users to enterprises, seeking to gain insight into how Red Hat redefines the enterprise operating system. Key features in Red Hat Enterprise Linux 7 RC include: * Expanded Windows interoperability capabilities, including integration with Microsoft Active Directory domains; * Significant file system enhancements, including XFS as the default, scaling to support file systems up to 500 TB; * Improved subsystem management through OpenLMI; and * Virtual machine (VM) migration from Red Hat Enterprise Linux 6 hosts to Red Hat Enterprise Linux 7 hosts without downtime or VM modification. To download Red Hat Enterprise Linux 7 RC, please visit https://access.redhat.com/site/products/Red_Hat_Enterprise_Linux/Get-Beta Sincerely, The Red Hat Enterprise Linux Team [1] http://www.redhat.com/about/news/archive/2014/4/red-hat-enterprise-linux-7rc-available [2]http://www.redhat.com/about/news/archive/2013/12/red-hat-announces-availability-of-red-hat-enterprise-linux-7-beta From orion at cora.nwra.com Wed Apr 23 21:35:38 2014 From: orion at cora.nwra.com (Orion Poplawski) Date: Wed, 23 Apr 2014 15:35:38 -0600 Subject: [rhelv6-list] Red Hat Enterprise Linux 7 Release Candidate Available for Download In-Reply-To: <53582D82.7060803@redhat.com> References: <53582D82.7060803@redhat.com> Message-ID: <5358322A.4020100@cora.nwra.com> On 04/23/2014 03:15 PM, Engineering Partner Management wrote: > As mentioned during Red Hat Summit 2014 last week[1], we are excited to > announce that Red Hat Enterprise Linux 7 Release Candidate (RC) is now > publicly available for testing. A pre-release build of Red Hat Enterprise > Linux 7, Red Hat Enterprise Linux 7 RC offers a near-final look at Red Hat?s > flagship operating system crafted for the open hybrid cloud, building upon the > feedback collected during the beta program[2] for Red Hat Enterprise Linux 7. I installed this and registered my system, but I cannot get access to the yum repos: https://cdn.redhat.com/content/rc/rhel/server/7/x86_64/os/repodata/repomd.xml: [Errno 14] HTTPS Error 403 - Forbidden Trying other mirror. One of the configured repositories failed (Red Hat Enterprise Linux 7 Server Release Candidate (RPMs)), and yum doesn't have enough cached data to continue. At this point the only safe thing yum can do is fail. There are a few ways to work "fix" this: 1. Contact the upstream for the repository and get them to fix the problem. 2. Reconfigure the baseurl/etc. for the repository, to point to a working upstream. This is most often useful if you are using a newer distribution release than is supported by the repository (and the packages for the previous distribution release still work). 3. Disable the repository, so yum won't use it by default. Yum will then just ignore the repository until you permanently enable it again or use --enablerepo for temporary usage: yum-config-manager --disable rhel-7-rc-rpms 4. Configure the failing repository to be skipped, if it is unavailable. Note that yum will try to contact the repo. when it runs most commands, so will have to try and fail each time (and thus. yum will be be much slower). If it is a very temporary problem though, this is often a nice compromise: yum-config-manager --save --setopt=rhel-7-rc-rpms.skip_if_unavailable=true failure: repodata/repomd.xml from rhel-7-rc-rpms: [Errno 256] No more mirrors to try. https://cdn.redhat.com/content/rc/rhel/server/7/x86_64/os/repodata/repomd.xml: [Errno 14] HTTPS Error 403 - Forbidden # subscription-manager list +-------------------------------------------+ Installed Product Status +-------------------------------------------+ Product Name: Red Hat Enterprise Linux Server Product ID: 69 Version: 7.0 Arch: x86_64 Status: Subscribed Status Details: Starts: 09/10/2013 Ends: 09/10/2014 -- Orion Poplawski Technical Manager 303-415-9701 x222 NWRA, Boulder/CoRA Office FAX: 303-415-9702 3380 Mitchell Lane orion at nwra.com Boulder, CO 80301 http://www.nwra.com From amyagi at gmail.com Wed Apr 23 22:29:50 2014 From: amyagi at gmail.com (Akemi Yagi) Date: Wed, 23 Apr 2014 15:29:50 -0700 Subject: [rhelv6-list] Red Hat Enterprise Linux 7 Release Candidate Available for Download In-Reply-To: <5358322A.4020100@cora.nwra.com> References: <53582D82.7060803@redhat.com> <5358322A.4020100@cora.nwra.com> Message-ID: On Wed, Apr 23, 2014 at 2:35 PM, Orion Poplawski wrote: > On 04/23/2014 03:15 PM, Engineering Partner Management wrote: >> >> As mentioned during Red Hat Summit 2014 last week[1], we are excited to >> announce that Red Hat Enterprise Linux 7 Release Candidate (RC) is now >> publicly available for testing. > I installed this and registered my system, but I cannot get access to the > yum repos: > > https://cdn.redhat.com/content/rc/rhel/server/7/x86_64/os/repodata/repomd.xml: > [Errno 14] HTTPS Error 403 - Forbidden > Trying other mirror. I was about to post this same issue when I saw the above post. So, I started a discussion thread instead hoping to widen the audience: https://access.redhat.com/site/discussions/798743 Akemi From matthias at saou.eu Thu Apr 24 08:14:48 2014 From: matthias at saou.eu (Matthias Saou) Date: Thu, 24 Apr 2014 10:14:48 +0200 Subject: [rhelv6-list] Red Hat Enterprise Linux 7 Release Candidate Available for Download In-Reply-To: References: <53582D82.7060803@redhat.com> <5358322A.4020100@cora.nwra.com> Message-ID: <20140424101448.0afbde52@r2d2.marmotte.net> On Wed, 23 Apr 2014 15:29:50 -0700 Akemi Yagi wrote: > On Wed, Apr 23, 2014 at 2:35 PM, Orion Poplawski > wrote: > > On 04/23/2014 03:15 PM, Engineering Partner Management wrote: > >> > >> As mentioned during Red Hat Summit 2014 last week[1], we are > >> excited to announce that Red Hat Enterprise Linux 7 Release > >> Candidate (RC) is now publicly available for testing. > > I installed this and registered my system, but I cannot get access > > to the yum repos: > > > > https://cdn.redhat.com/content/rc/rhel/server/7/x86_64/os/repodata/repomd.xml: > > [Errno 14] HTTPS Error 403 - Forbidden > > Trying other mirror. > > I was about to post this same issue when I saw the above post. So, I > started a discussion thread instead hoping to widen the audience: > > https://access.redhat.com/site/discussions/798743 I had a similar issue a few days ago when trying to re-register a system. I saw the High Touch Beta channels, and those worked, but although I also saw the RC channels, and had them activated, I was seeing 403 errors on cdn.redhat.com. I'll try the RC soon, I just started the download. But I'm already wondering : Who's idea was it to name the DVD image "rhel-server-7.0-x86_64-dvd.iso"? There is *no* indication whatsoever that it's an RC in the name. And I sure hope the final doesn't have the same name, otherwise we're in for quite a mess... :-/ Matthias -- Matthias Saou ?? ?? ?? ?? Web: http://matthias.saou.eu/ ?????????????? Mail/XMPP: matthias at saou.eu ???? ?????? ???? ?????????????????????? GPG: 4096R/E755CC63 ?? ?????????????? ?? 8D91 7E2E F048 9C9C 46AF ?? ?? ?? ?? 21A9 7A51 7B82 E755 CC63 ???? ???? From brilong at cisco.com Thu Apr 24 13:28:19 2014 From: brilong at cisco.com (Brian Long (brilong)) Date: Thu, 24 Apr 2014 13:28:19 +0000 Subject: [rhelv6-list] Red Hat Enterprise Linux 7 Release Candidate Available for Download In-Reply-To: <20140424101448.0afbde52@r2d2.marmotte.net> References: <53582D82.7060803@redhat.com> <5358322A.4020100@cora.nwra.com> <20140424101448.0afbde52@r2d2.marmotte.net> Message-ID: <3B7DC7B5-8986-4E8C-B4AC-0B2AF476CBA2@cisco.com> On Apr 24, 2014, at 4:14 AM, Matthias Saou wrote: > > I'll try the RC soon, I just started the download. But I'm already > wondering : Who's idea was it to name the DVD image > "rhel-server-7.0-x86_64-dvd.iso"? There is *no* indication whatsoever > that it's an RC in the name. And I sure hope the final doesn't have > the same name, otherwise we're in for quite a mess... :-/ I thought the same thing when I grabbed it yesterday. Maybe it?s truly a release candidate and this ISO will be the final release and any bug fixes will be in the updates channel. /Brian/ From orion at cora.nwra.com Thu Apr 24 15:31:17 2014 From: orion at cora.nwra.com (Orion Poplawski) Date: Thu, 24 Apr 2014 09:31:17 -0600 Subject: [rhelv6-list] Red Hat Enterprise Linux 7 Release Candidate Available for Download In-Reply-To: <5358322A.4020100@cora.nwra.com> References: <53582D82.7060803@redhat.com> <5358322A.4020100@cora.nwra.com> Message-ID: <53592E45.5040802@cora.nwra.com> On 04/23/2014 03:35 PM, Orion Poplawski wrote: > failure: repodata/repomd.xml from rhel-7-rc-rpms: [Errno 256] No more mirrors > to try. > https://cdn.redhat.com/content/rc/rhel/server/7/x86_64/os/repodata/repomd.xml: > [Errno 14] HTTPS Error 403 - Forbidden Looks like they have this sorted now. -- Orion Poplawski Technical Manager 303-415-9701 x222 NWRA, Boulder/CoRA Office FAX: 303-415-9702 3380 Mitchell Lane orion at nwra.com Boulder, CO 80301 http://www.nwra.com From amyagi at gmail.com Thu Apr 24 16:01:41 2014 From: amyagi at gmail.com (Akemi Yagi) Date: Thu, 24 Apr 2014 09:01:41 -0700 Subject: [rhelv6-list] Red Hat Enterprise Linux 7 Release Candidate Available for Download In-Reply-To: <53592E45.5040802@cora.nwra.com> References: <53582D82.7060803@redhat.com> <5358322A.4020100@cora.nwra.com> <53592E45.5040802@cora.nwra.com> Message-ID: On Thu, Apr 24, 2014 at 8:31 AM, Orion Poplawski wrote: > On 04/23/2014 03:35 PM, Orion Poplawski wrote: >> >> failure: repodata/repomd.xml from rhel-7-rc-rpms: [Errno 256] No more >> mirrors >> to try. >> >> https://cdn.redhat.com/content/rc/rhel/server/7/x86_64/os/repodata/repomd.xml: >> [Errno 14] HTTPS Error 403 - Forbidden > > Looks like they have this sorted now. I confirm it's working now. Andrius Benokraitis of Red Hat posted: "All: Try it now, there was an issue on our end (Red Hat). Sorry for the inconvenience!" Akemi