From alan.mckay at gmail.com Wed Sep 13 13:47:11 2017 From: alan.mckay at gmail.com (Alan McKay) Date: Wed, 13 Sep 2017 09:47:11 -0400 Subject: [rhelv6-list] Apache 2.2 EOL - what is Red Hat's story for RHEL6? Message-ID: Hi folks, I have been googling for a few weeks now and not finding anything. Apache 2.2 is EOL at the end of this year. Has Red Hat announced a plan yet on what they are doing in RHEL6? I am assuming they will up-version from 6.9 to 6.10 and as part of that upgrade from Apache 2.2 to Apache 2.4 ? thanks, -Alan -- "You should sit in nature for 20 minutes a day. Unless you are busy, then you should sit for an hour" - Zen Proverb From jsbillin at umich.edu Wed Sep 13 14:21:13 2017 From: jsbillin at umich.edu (Jonathan Billings) Date: Wed, 13 Sep 2017 10:21:13 -0400 Subject: [rhelv6-list] Apache 2.2 EOL - what is Red Hat's story for RHEL6? In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: I suggest you read the answer to the same question you asked on the CentOS mailinglist: https://lists.centos.org/pipermail/centos/2017-September/166114.html On Wed, Sep 13, 2017 at 9:47 AM, Alan McKay wrote: > Hi folks, > > I have been googling for a few weeks now and not finding anything. > Apache 2.2 is EOL at the end of this year. > > Has Red Hat announced a plan yet on what they are doing in RHEL6? > > I am assuming they will up-version from 6.9 to 6.10 and as part of > that upgrade from Apache 2.2 to Apache 2.4 ? > > thanks, > -Alan > > -- > "You should sit in nature for 20 minutes a day. > Unless you are busy, then you should sit for an hour" > - Zen Proverb > > _______________________________________________ > rhelv6-list mailing list > rhelv6-list at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/rhelv6-list > -- Jonathan Billings College of Engineering - CAEN - Unix and Linux Support -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From b.j.smith at ieee.org Wed Sep 13 14:43:59 2017 From: b.j.smith at ieee.org (Bryan Smith) Date: Wed, 13 Sep 2017 10:43:59 -0400 Subject: [rhelv6-list] Apache 2.2 EOL - what is Red Hat's story for RHEL6? In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Red Hat already doesn't stay on the latest Apache 2.2 revisions. They backport to the RHEL6 version, which is 2.2.15. There are also different versions in various JBoss products atop of RHEL6, as well as Red Hat Software Collections (RHSCL). Both of those products are maintained for a much shorter duration than RhEL though. They cover all this in a public (no login required) solution [445713] RHEL6 is already in Phase 3, so only security advisories (RHSA), no bugfix (RHBA) or enhancements (RHEA). I really don't see Red Hat rebasing this late.in the cycle. They will just limit their support of 2.2.15 to probably select security fixes. - bjs [445713] https://access.redhat.com/solutions/445713 On Wed, Sep 13, 2017 at 9:47 AM, Alan McKay wrote: > Hi folks, > > I have been googling for a few weeks now and not finding anything. > Apache 2.2 is EOL at the end of this year. > > Has Red Hat announced a plan yet on what they are doing in RHEL6? > > I am assuming they will up-version from 6.9 to 6.10 and as part of > that upgrade from Apache 2.2 to Apache 2.4 ? > > thanks, > -Alan > > -- > "You should sit in nature for 20 minutes a day. > Unless you are busy, then you should sit for an hour" > - Zen Proverb > > _______________________________________________ > rhelv6-list mailing list > rhelv6-list at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/rhelv6-list -- -- Bryan J Smith - http://www.linkedin.com/in/bjsmith E-mail: b.j.smith at ieee.org or me at bjsmith.me From alan.mckay at gmail.com Wed Sep 13 15:20:16 2017 From: alan.mckay at gmail.com (Alan McKay) Date: Wed, 13 Sep 2017 11:20:16 -0400 Subject: [rhelv6-list] Apache 2.2 EOL - what is Red Hat's story for RHEL6? In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: > I suggest you read the answer to the same question you asked on the CentOS mailinglist: Thanks Jonathan. Of course I saw that answer but it seemed speculative. I am looking for an official statement. From smooge at gmail.com Wed Sep 13 16:12:46 2017 From: smooge at gmail.com (Stephen John Smoogen) Date: Wed, 13 Sep 2017 12:12:46 -0400 Subject: [rhelv6-list] Apache 2.2 EOL - what is Red Hat's story for RHEL6? In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: On 13 September 2017 at 11:20, Alan McKay wrote: >> I suggest you read the answer to the same question you asked on the CentOS mailinglist: > > Thanks Jonathan. Of course I saw that answer but it seemed speculative. > I am looking for an official statement. > If you are looking for an official statement on a Red Hat product, you should contact the Red Hat directly or go through the access.redhat.com to find what you are wanting. While some of the CentOS developers work for Red Hat, they do not have special knowledge about what is going to happen in future releases or anything beyond what was provided in the other emails. > _______________________________________________ > rhelv6-list mailing list > rhelv6-list at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/rhelv6-list -- Stephen J Smoogen. From alan.mckay at gmail.com Wed Sep 13 22:34:01 2017 From: alan.mckay at gmail.com (Alan McKay) Date: Wed, 13 Sep 2017 18:34:01 -0400 Subject: [rhelv6-list] Apache 2.2 EOL - what is Red Hat's story for RHEL6? In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: So looks like the definitive answer is here for those who have access https://access.redhat.com/solutions/2595461 What I don't understand is in the top left it says "solution unverified" and I"m not sure what that means. Basic summary is that RH will continue to support apache 2.2 to the end of life of RHEL6 From b.j.smith at ieee.org Mon Sep 25 02:31:52 2017 From: b.j.smith at ieee.org (Bryan Smith) Date: Sun, 24 Sep 2017 22:31:52 -0400 Subject: [rhelv6-list] Apache 2.2 EOL - what is Red Hat's story for RHEL6? In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: [ Sorry, missed this traffic the past 10 days due to other foci ] Alan McKay wrote: > Thanks Jonathan. Of course I saw that answer but it seemed speculative. > I am looking for an official statement. And now you know why both current and former Red Hat associates almost _always_ use their GMail and other, "personal" address here. ;) I.e., you're looking for "official statements" from Red Hat on a "community supported" list. Again, I posted Solution [445713] to directly answer what you asked. There a good, dozen other solutions linked in just that solution alone. Which brings me too ... Stephen John Smoogen wrote: > If you are looking for an official statement on a Red Hat product, you > should contact the Red Hat directly or go through the > access.redhat.com to find what you are wanting. While some of the > CentOS developers work for Red Hat, they do not have special knowledge > about what is going to happen in future releases or anything beyond > what was provided in the other emails. You _really_ should talk to your Red Hat representative. They can better explain to you all the solutions I linked to. E.g., how and why the backporting is done, how long things are supported, like Apache 2.2.15 in RHEL 6, etc... all those details in the solution I posted, and all the support solutions it links to. Your Red Hat representative can not only explain this fully to you, and how they are backporting security fixes -- but I assume this is because your security team, or management, or both, are "grilling" you on the "end of life" aspect of Apache 2.2 "Upstream." Typical Rule-of-Thumb: *NONE* of that *EVER* applies to a RHEL release. Again, your Red Hat representatives can give you the "official statement" in that regard. Never seek it on _any_ "community" list, especially if you're not following the details in the Solutions provided. - bjs -- Bryan J Smith - http://www.linkedin.com/in/bjsmith E-mail: b.j.smith at ieee.org or me at bjsmith.me From b.j.smith at ieee.org Mon Sep 25 02:46:35 2017 From: b.j.smith at ieee.org (Bryan Smith) Date: Sun, 24 Sep 2017 22:46:35 -0400 Subject: [rhelv6-list] Apache 2.2 EOL - what is Red Hat's story for RHEL6? In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: On Wed, Sep 13, 2017 at 6:34 PM, Alan McKay wrote: > So looks like the definitive answer is here for those who have access > https://access.redhat.com/solutions/2595461 Indeed, I missed that solution. > What I don't understand is in the top left it says "solution > unverified" and I"m not sure what that means. It can mean many things. Typical Rule-of-Thumb: The Customer Access Portal is driven by Customers (and Partners), especially when it comes to Support Cases and related Support Entitlement.** E.g., "Solution Verified" could mean ... - A Customer and/or Partner Case has not been filed, where ... - The Solution has been used, and ... - The Customer/Partner Verified the Solution to Solve their Problem A lot of more "Info" type "Solutions" go "Unverified" whereas an actual "Procedure" would likely be "Verified." > Basic summary is that RH will continue to support apache 2.2 to the > end of life of RHEL6 Red Hat tends to backport by default, rebase only sparingly, and only during Phase 1 (and 2 if absolutely required), and virtually never during Phase 3, of the RHEL Life Cycle. I cannot think of a single subsystem where Red Hat has flat out 'deprecated' support for something, not even in Phase 3, and I don't see them ever doing it to anything remotely of the importance and proliferation of Apache. - bjs **P.S. Several other vendors, on the other hand, I've seen a number of rebasing and API/ABI breakage very late in their cycles, if they even supported more than 5 years. It's part of the reason why those entities I were at went Red Hat the next time their support agreement was up. The literal, "They are charging as much as Red Hat, so why not Red Hat?" Understand what a Red Hat "Entitlement" is really about. It's not so much a "License," like most people think of "Commercial Software." It's an Entitlement of Support. E.g., - To pay for the [Sustaining] Engineering to backport newer 2.4 fixes to 2.2 after EoL, which no one is doing in the "Upstream" any more - To pay the Support to answer Cases or Inquiries like the one you just made - Etc... So if you don't want to be at the mercy of Upstream, consider what that "Entitlement" gives you. It's not just Red Hat 'leeching' off of Upstream. And it pays for a lot of Upstream development too. -- Bryan J Smith - http://www.linkedin.com/in/bjsmith E-mail: b.j.smith at ieee.org or me at bjsmith.me From alan.mckay at gmail.com Mon Sep 25 14:39:10 2017 From: alan.mckay at gmail.com (Alan McKay) Date: Mon, 25 Sep 2017 10:39:10 -0400 Subject: [rhelv6-list] Apache 2.2 EOL - what is Red Hat's story for RHEL6? In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Thanks Bryan - I am logging in to check on 445713