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Re: Here are some of my ideas for Fedora 8 and Fedora 9

On Wed, 2007-07-04 at 14:49 +0200, Christoph Wickert wrote:
> How exactly should this happen? Another screen with questions like:
> "Do
> you want to mount your NTFS volumes? y/N" and "Do you want your NFTS
> volumes to be mounted read only? Y/n"? I don't think bothering people
> with more questions is necessary or useful.

Offcource not. The devels can choose whic is technically better default
(RO or RW) and only have an option in advanced mode to change it, or
after the install of Fedora via some gui tool perhaps?

> You already have the opportunity to configure NTFS mounts during
> install. Usually I tell anaconda/disc druid to mount my Windows
> partition to /mnt/windows. Now that we have ntfs-3g in default
> install,
> you have r/w access when you first boot your computer after install. 

Are you sure? I wouldn't be writing this if it worked. AFAIK you can't
choose NTFS partitions in anaconda during the partitioning and give them
mount points. NTFS partitons are grayed out and can't be even selected.
If I'm wrong please correct me.

> > * Beagle and Deskbar installed by default
> > these applications make all the difference for an desktop user
> between
> > an "OK" user experience and "wonderful" user experience.
> This topic has already been beaten to death on this list before you
> raised it again. We did have beagle in the default install in FC6 and
> it
> was decided to take it out for F7. Please be so kind as to search the
> archives or at least read the Fedora Weekly News:
> http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/FWN/Issue88#head-7fdee0a1251926827abf631c707a2dadcb25ea10

My point is that maintainer of the package said that he doesn't have
time to work with this package and it is easier for him to remove it
that look at some non-trivial problems.

> BTW: If you speak German I suggest you search for beagle @
> fedoraforum.de: 37 hits and 35 of them are complainants.

Well I would argue that the people who remove it are a minority, not the
other way around. I have seen beagle installed on multiple systems and
it is as unobtrusive as an app can be. I have tested it on Fedora Core6,
multiple Fedora 7 installations and now I'm testing it on Rawhide. So I
have extensive experience with beagle.

Only saying "me too" to a forum, bugzilla entry or on a mailing
list makes beagle look bad but only because the majority of people who
don't have issues with beagle don't even go to these mailing lists or to
bugzilla. If you have tested beagle on multiple systems and find it
causing problems then please excuse me - show us your test results and
that is ok.

Has anybody of the 35 people on fedoraforum.de looked at the actual
problem with beagle and saw where or why they have some issues?

> > * Tomboy installed by default
> > - I have all the same arguments here as I do for Beagle and Deskbar
> deskbar and tomboy might be worth discussing, but I don't think many
> people are using them. So I'd say they should stay out.

It depends what Fedora is trying to do. It if it is trying to be a linux
Desktop and not only for us who are geeks then it should include nice
apps by deafult - any maybe put some promo video material that explains
what each app does.

> > * Desktop shortcut for joining Fedora IRC (aka "Get Live Help")
> Although this is a good idea I'm not sure how to achieve this
> technically: Yes, there is an IRC url scheme [1], but I'm not sure if
> all desktops are able to open IRC links. Other questions are: What
> application should be used to open this link and how to we make sure
> this application really is installed?

Why IRC url? It can be a shortcut to a script. At least there are
multiple choices. Devels should make this choice, I trust them. Do you
see some actual problem here?

> > * Desktop folder with examples of what "this linux thing" can do :)
> Personally I hate "example" folders. "Example
> Pictures/Music/Playlists/Whatever" is the first thing I remove on a
> fresh installed Windows.

Gnome also comes with these folders, I dislike them in Gnome also.
You are confusing examples folders from windows and a much better
example from Ubuntu example folder (and that is not in plural). If you
haven't seen it please boot up any live ubuntu disc to see what it is
all about.

> > * a working Burning app for Fedora Gnome desktop
> > Put any new user in front of fresh Fedora 7 desktop and ask them to
> > burn some files to CD or DVD - any watch them as they wiggle
> > unpleasantly as they can't find any burning app under gnome desktop.
> > Puting a link for nautils burner under "Places / CD - DVD Recoder"
> > doesn't help.
> Really? I have been installing computers with fedora for a while now
> and
> giving them to my customers. _No_one_ has ever asked me how to burn
> CDs/DVDs. 

Do they burn discs? Do they even have burners? Do they even know they
have a burning option?
Have you asked your customer to burn a CD or a DVD and see what he/she
does? Or you have had to teach them to use rhythmbox and gnome burning
tool because they didn't know how to use it by them selves?

> I have to admit that starting rhythmbox to burn audio discs is
> not really intuitive but it works. 

And that is what I'm talking about! It has to be intuitive or it doesn't

> So IMO we shouldn't add duplicate
> functionality to the default install.

There is no duplication if you add only a shortcut for gnome burner
"burn:///" under gnome "Applications" menu instead of being only in
"Places" menue - which is really not intuitive.

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