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Re: Buyer Beware: A Major Change in NFS is about to happen



On Tue, 29 Sep 2009, Steve Dickson wrote:

> On 09/29/2009 07:16 PM, Paul W. Frields wrote:
> > On Tue, Sep 29, 2009 at 07:12:03PM -0400, Steve Dickson wrote:
> >> On 09/29/2009 06:55 PM, Paul W. Frields wrote:
> >>> On Tue, Sep 29, 2009 at 06:21:35PM -0400, Steve Dickson wrote:
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>> On 09/29/2009 06:13 PM, Jesse Keating wrote:
> >>>>> On Tue, 2009-09-29 at 17:52 -0400, Steve Dickson wrote:
> >>>>>> I thought today was the dead line...
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> http://www.linux-archive.org/fedora-development/372823-all-features-need-100-beta-freeze-2009-09-29-a.html
> >>>>>
> >>>>> I should mention that Beta is the deadline to have the code in what we
> >>>>> think is the final state, baring any glaring bugs, not a point to enable
> >>>>> experimental code/settings for further experimentation.
> >>>> This is in the final state... its been a 18 month effort to get this
> >>>> accepted by upstream...
> >>>>
> >>>> At the end of the day, I was just following the rules that were deemed by
> >>>> that email and a number of earlier ones... I'm a bit dumbfound...
> >>>
> >>> I think that what we need, Steve, is some sort of information about
> >>> what testing has happened up to this point that satisfies FESCo that
> >>> this change the equivalent of moving the needle from 99% complete to
> >>> 100% complete, as opposed to moving from 90% complete to 91% complete
> >>> (with testing being the last 9%).
> >>>
> >> Not a problem... I want to and will work closely with FESCo to make
> >> sure we know all the ins and outs of this change... believe me my
> >> slate is cleared for few weeks to be as responsive as possible
> >> for this new feature... In the end this will be a good thing...
> > [...snip...]
> >
> > I want to be perfectly clear that I'm not sounding an "all clear" on
> > this by any means.  If your answer here means that this change hasn't
> > been thoroughly tested, you're going to have a hard time convincing
> > anyone that it should be turning over on Beta freeze day.
> >
> By no means did I interpret that at all... but here lies the
> problem... I had no idea I would  have to convenience *anybody*
> of *anything* because I thought I made the dead line... again all
> following was the schedule in:
>         http://www.linux-archive.org/fedora-development/372823-all-features-need-100-beta-freeze-2009-09-29-a.html
>
> And Today I am %100 finished... Please point out which part of that
> did I misinterpret, because the last thing I want to do is cause problems...
>

Because we do seem to fight this problem every release.  Was anyone else
confused about when the deadline was?  It seems very clear to me, on
several occasions, when features needed to be in by.

What more could we have done to make this more clear?  I understand what
that one email says, but there's several others that clarify.

	-Mike


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