From anirudha.sonar at gmail.com  Mon Jan  1 13:01:34 2007
From: anirudha.sonar at gmail.com (Anirudha Sonar)
Date: Mon, 1 Jan 2007 18:31:34 +0530
Subject: [rhn-users] rsh on SLES10 machine : not getting configured
Message-ID: <89fc0640701010501g7e8a6d80p4107a6b326b59952@mail.gmail.com>

Hi All ,

I was trying to configure the rsh on SLES10 machine , but I am getting the
following message when I am firing rsh command to other machine , I am not
able to detect the exact problem why it is not working properly .

===================
 # rsh <machine> ls
Permission denied.
===================

When did I checked the messages I found that it could be issue of PAM ,

======================================================================
# tail -f /var/log/messages
Jan  1 18:34:09 swamds160 rshd[8927]: rsh denied to
root at swamds160.vxindia.veritas.com as root: Permission denied.
Jan  1 18:34:09 swamds160 rshd[8927]: rsh command was 'ls'
Jan  1 18:34:46 swamds160 in.rshd[8945]: connect from 10.216.152.160 (
10.216.152.160)
Jan  1 18:34:47 swamds160 rshd[8945]: pam_warn(rsh:auth):
function=[pam_sm_authenticate] service=[rsh] terminal=[tty] user=[root]
ruser=[root] rhost=[swamds160.vxindia.veritas.com]
Jan  1 18:34:47 swamds160 rshd[8945]: rsh denied to
root at swamds160.vxindia.veritas.com as root: Permission denied.
Jan  1 18:34:47 swamds160 rshd[8945]: rsh command was 'ls'
Jan  1 18:35:07 swamds160 in.rshd[8966]: connect from 10.216.152.160 (
10.216.152.160)
Jan  1 18:35:07 swamds160 rshd[8966]: pam_warn(rsh:auth):
function=[pam_sm_authenticate] service=[rsh] terminal=[tty] user=[root]
ruser=[root] rhost=[swamds160.vxindia.veritas.com]
Jan  1 18:35:07 swamds160 rshd[8966]: rsh denied to
root at swamds160.vxindia.veritas.com as root: Permission denied.
Jan  1 18:35:07 swamds160 rshd[8966]: rsh command was 'ls'
======================================================================

I am not very sure about this  whether it is pam issue or other. Can any one
help me in this ?

-- 
Regards,
Anirudha Sonar
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From inode0 at gmail.com  Mon Jan  8 15:42:05 2007
From: inode0 at gmail.com (inode0)
Date: Mon, 8 Jan 2007 09:42:05 -0600
Subject: [rhn-users] RHN Account Policies
Message-ID: <e8a30f560701080742t60c1ff7fsec0ae55a72ec2915@mail.gmail.com>

Some time ago RHN suddenly and without warning altered its rules for
account names. Among other things the hyphen was no longer allowed in
an account name. This disrupted our policies and procedures for
managing our accounts. Lots of discussion followed, some at least at
RHN felt they made a mistake doing that and the policy was changed
back to allow hyphens although it took a very long time for this to
find its way back into the code base.

Yesterday it came to my attention while creating an account that RHN
no longer allows one email address to be associated with more than one
account on hosted. I am told this is allowed on satellites but that
isn't relevant to my situation. I have my business email address
associated with three RHN accounts and I have created multiple RHN
accounts in the past that share a single email address. So I know this
hasn't always been the policy or at least it hasn't been enforced in
the past.

So one question I have is why RHN chooses to enforce what seems to be
an arbitrary and useless new rule about email addresses? Another is
why there aren't announcements about such things made in public so
those of us who will have business operations disrupted will have a
chance to prepare ourselves before the disruption occurs?

We really have more than enough account management headaches already
without needing to create aliases or mailing lists to use for the
email address on new accounts.

John



From s.steffann at computel.nl  Tue Jan  9 01:25:49 2007
From: s.steffann at computel.nl (Sander Steffann)
Date: Tue, 9 Jan 2007 02:25:49 +0100
Subject: [rhn-users] RHN Account Policies
References: <e8a30f560701080742t60c1ff7fsec0ae55a72ec2915@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <008301c7338d$1aee7930$64c8a8c0@balefirehome>

Hi,

> Some time ago RHN suddenly and without warning altered its rules for
> account names. Among other things the hyphen was no longer allowed in
> an account name. This disrupted our policies and procedures for
> managing our accounts. Lots of discussion followed, some at least at
> RHN felt they made a mistake doing that and the policy was changed
> back to allow hyphens although it took a very long time for this to
> find its way back into the code base.

I didn't notice it, but refusing a hyphen could be very annoying, and I 
don't see the point.

> Yesterday it came to my attention while creating an account that RHN
> no longer allows one email address to be associated with more than one
> account on hosted.

This is one thing we also need. We do the server maintenance for different 
companies, and we create separate RHN accounts for those companies. Our 
e-mailaddress is the contact point though. This also feels like a very bad 
move by Red Hat.

> So one question I have is why RHN chooses to enforce what seems to be
> an arbitrary and useless new rule about email addresses?

Indeed. If someone from Red Hat is reading this: please explain, and if 
there is no good reason: please remove this limitation.

> Another is
> why there aren't announcements about such things made in public so
> those of us who will have business operations disrupted will have a
> chance to prepare ourselves before the disruption occurs?

I also agree with you here. These kind of things should be made public in 
advance. If that is not possible, it should be very well documented in for 
example the release notes.

- Sander




From robert at pottsdata.com  Tue Jan  9 01:39:23 2007
From: robert at pottsdata.com (Robert Potts)
Date: Mon, 08 Jan 2007 18:39:23 -0700
Subject: [rhn-users] RHN Account Policies
In-Reply-To: <008301c7338d$1aee7930$64c8a8c0@balefirehome>
References: <e8a30f560701080742t60c1ff7fsec0ae55a72ec2915@mail.gmail.com>
	<008301c7338d$1aee7930$64c8a8c0@balefirehome>
Message-ID: <45A2F24B.1050107@pottsdata.com>

When it comes down to it, RHN is a highly amateur operation. They have 
proven this time and again, year after year. If you want a real 
operating system, use and support OpenBSD.

http://www.openbsd.org

Sander Steffann wrote:
> Hi,
>
>> Some time ago RHN suddenly and without warning altered its rules for
>> account names. Among other things the hyphen was no longer allowed in
>> an account name. This disrupted our policies and procedures for
>> managing our accounts. Lots of discussion followed, some at least at
>> RHN felt they made a mistake doing that and the policy was changed
>> back to allow hyphens although it took a very long time for this to
>> find its way back into the code base.
>
> I didn't notice it, but refusing a hyphen could be very annoying, and 
> I don't see the point.
>
>> Yesterday it came to my attention while creating an account that RHN
>> no longer allows one email address to be associated with more than one
>> account on hosted.
>
> This is one thing we also need. We do the server maintenance for 
> different companies, and we create separate RHN accounts for those 
> companies. Our e-mailaddress is the contact point though. This also 
> feels like a very bad move by Red Hat.
>
>> So one question I have is why RHN chooses to enforce what seems to be
>> an arbitrary and useless new rule about email addresses?
>
> Indeed. If someone from Red Hat is reading this: please explain, and 
> if there is no good reason: please remove this limitation.
>
>> Another is
>> why there aren't announcements about such things made in public so
>> those of us who will have business operations disrupted will have a
>> chance to prepare ourselves before the disruption occurs?
>
> I also agree with you here. These kind of things should be made public 
> in advance. If that is not possible, it should be very well documented 
> in for example the release notes.
>
> - Sander
>
>
> _______________________________________________
> rhn-users mailing list
> rhn-users at redhat.com
> https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/rhn-users
>
> .
>



From robert at pottsdata.com  Tue Jan  9 13:28:10 2007
From: robert at pottsdata.com (Robert Potts)
Date: Tue, 09 Jan 2007 06:28:10 -0700
Subject: [rhn-users] RHN Account Policies
Message-ID: <45A3986A.8030607@pottsdata.com>

I'd say you are the little "troll" here.

In case you haven't noticed most of us on this list live in a country 
that guarantees free speech, which implies that an expression of opinion 
is indeed my right.  Saying that "I don't think anyone here is 
interested" is also an extremely ignorant and childish response (from a 
little troll).  Prove to me that no one is interested.  You can't.  In 
fact, from my experience a lot of linux users are getting fed up and 
moving to BSD of some form (perhaps if you were on a BSD list or 2 you'd 
understand that).  My guess is a lot of people are interested.  As for 
advertising another operating system, how can you advertise something 
that is free?  I'm just giving people an alternative they may not know 
about.  This response is typical of the amateur and defensive responses 
I have seen coming from this list over the last few years.  If RHN is so 
good, why does it bother you so much to have OpenBSD recommended as a 
replacement for it?

Again, when you get sick of this and the other typical RHN crap feel 
free to investigate http://www.openbsd.org

OpenBSD is committed to secure, reliable and affordable computing.  
Check it out!

And try to refrain from the type of childish, defensive response that is 
so typical of this list.  Make your OS work well.  Make your support 
network effective.  Then you'll have a leg to stand on.  Right now you 
don't, and you know you don't.

-Troll Stomper

Sander Steffann wrote:
> Hi,
>
>> When it comes down to it, RHN is a highly amateur operation. They 
>> have proven this time and again, year after year. If you want a real 
>> operating system, use and support OpenBSD.
>
> Please don't troll (or advertise other operating systems on a Red Hat 
> oriented mailing list). I don't think anyone here is interested...
>
> - Sander
>
>
> .
>



From jhallum at umich.edu  Tue Jan  9 13:32:38 2007
From: jhallum at umich.edu (Jeremy Hallum)
Date: Tue, 9 Jan 2007 08:32:38 -0500
Subject: [rhn-users] RHN Account Policies
In-Reply-To: <45A3986A.8030607@pottsdata.com>
References: <45A3986A.8030607@pottsdata.com>
Message-ID: <2E53B8E4-7054-4DFE-A0F1-A11F7373652E@umich.edu>

Mr. Stomper,

I'm not interested either.  Bug off.

-jeremy

On Jan 9, 2007, at 8:28 AM, Robert Potts wrote:

> I'd say you are the little "troll" here.
>
> In case you haven't noticed most of us on this list live in a  
> country that guarantees free speech, which implies that an  
> expression of opinion is indeed my right.  Saying that "I don't  
> think anyone here is interested" is also an extremely ignorant and  
> childish response (from a little troll).  Prove to me that no one  
> is interested.  You can't.  In fact, from my experience a lot of  
> linux users are getting fed up and moving to BSD of some form  
> (perhaps if you were on a BSD list or 2 you'd understand that).  My  
> guess is a lot of people are interested.  As for advertising  
> another operating system, how can you advertise something that is  
> free?  I'm just giving people an alternative they may not know  
> about.  This response is typical of the amateur and defensive  
> responses I have seen coming from this list over the last few  
> years.  If RHN is so good, why does it bother you so much to have  
> OpenBSD recommended as a replacement for it?
>
> Again, when you get sick of this and the other typical RHN crap  
> feel free to investigate http://www.openbsd.org
>
> OpenBSD is committed to secure, reliable and affordable computing.   
> Check it out!
>
> And try to refrain from the type of childish, defensive response  
> that is so typical of this list.  Make your OS work well.  Make  
> your support network effective.  Then you'll have a leg to stand  
> on.  Right now you don't, and you know you don't.
>
> -Troll Stomper
>
> Sander Steffann wrote:
>> Hi,
>>
>>> When it comes down to it, RHN is a highly amateur operation. They  
>>> have proven this time and again, year after year. If you want a  
>>> real operating system, use and support OpenBSD.
>>
>> Please don't troll (or advertise other operating systems on a Red  
>> Hat oriented mailing list). I don't think anyone here is  
>> interested...
>>
>> - Sander
>>
>>
>> .
>>
>
> _______________________________________________
> rhn-users mailing list
> rhn-users at redhat.com
> https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/rhn-users
>
>

--
Jeremy Hallum, Department System Administrator
Department of Astronomy,
University of Michigan
  jhallum at umich.edu





From robert at pottsdata.com  Tue Jan  9 13:54:03 2007
From: robert at pottsdata.com (Robert Potts)
Date: Tue, 09 Jan 2007 06:54:03 -0700
Subject: [rhn-users] RHN Account Policies
In-Reply-To: <2E53B8E4-7054-4DFE-A0F1-A11F7373652E@umich.edu>
References: <45A3986A.8030607@pottsdata.com>
	<2E53B8E4-7054-4DFE-A0F1-A11F7373652E@umich.edu>
Message-ID: <45A39E7B.4090807@pottsdata.com>

Dear Jeremy,

Grow up.

-Stomper

Jeremy Hallum wrote:
> Mr. Stomper,
>
> I'm not interested either.  Bug off.
>
> -jeremy
>
> On Jan 9, 2007, at 8:28 AM, Robert Potts wrote:
>
>> I'd say you are the little "troll" here.
>>
>> In case you haven't noticed most of us on this list live in a country 
>> that guarantees free speech, which implies that an expression of 
>> opinion is indeed my right.  Saying that "I don't think anyone here 
>> is interested" is also an extremely ignorant and childish response 
>> (from a little troll).  Prove to me that no one is interested.  You 
>> can't.  In fact, from my experience a lot of linux users are getting 
>> fed up and moving to BSD of some form (perhaps if you were on a BSD 
>> list or 2 you'd understand that).  My guess is a lot of people are 
>> interested.  As for advertising another operating system, how can you 
>> advertise something that is free?  I'm just giving people an 
>> alternative they may not know about.  This response is typical of the 
>> amateur and defensive responses I have seen coming from this list 
>> over the last few years.  If RHN is so good, why does it bother you 
>> so much to have OpenBSD recommended as a replacement for it?
>>
>> Again, when you get sick of this and the other typical RHN crap feel 
>> free to investigate http://www.openbsd.org
>>
>> OpenBSD is committed to secure, reliable and affordable computing.  
>> Check it out!
>>
>> And try to refrain from the type of childish, defensive response that 
>> is so typical of this list.  Make your OS work well.  Make your 
>> support network effective.  Then you'll have a leg to stand on.  
>> Right now you don't, and you know you don't.
>>
>> -Troll Stomper
>>
>> Sander Steffann wrote:
>>> Hi,
>>>
>>>> When it comes down to it, RHN is a highly amateur operation. They 
>>>> have proven this time and again, year after year. If you want a 
>>>> real operating system, use and support OpenBSD.
>>>
>>> Please don't troll (or advertise other operating systems on a Red 
>>> Hat oriented mailing list). I don't think anyone here is interested...
>>>
>>> - Sander
>>>
>>>
>>> .
>>>
>>
>> _______________________________________________
>> rhn-users mailing list
>> rhn-users at redhat.com
>> https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/rhn-users
>>
>>
>
> -- 
> Jeremy Hallum, Department System Administrator
> Department of Astronomy,
> University of Michigan
>  jhallum at umich.edu
>
>
>
> _______________________________________________
> rhn-users mailing list
> rhn-users at redhat.com
> https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/rhn-users
>
> .
>



From jentrena at mailext.com  Tue Jan  9 14:00:33 2007
From: jentrena at mailext.com (Entrena Perez, Julio [HP])
Date: Tue, 9 Jan 2007 15:00:33 +0100
Subject: [rhn-users] RHN Account Policies
Message-ID: <80FDDD0100BF5F42BF6391EAB5C8D3630140D530@sbext231.mailext.com>

Hi Troll,

>From my most respectful position I have to say that I don't expect to
read non Red Hat Network related issues on this mailing list.

I'll be happy to join you somewhere else but discussions about OpenBSD
versus RHEL are, simply, out of place here. 

Regards,
Juli

-----Mensaje original-----
De: rhn-users-bounces at redhat.com [mailto:rhn-users-bounces at redhat.com]
En nombre de Robert Potts
Enviado el: martes, 09 de enero de 2007 14:54
Para: Discussions about Red Hat Network (rhn.redhat.com)
Asunto: Re: [rhn-users] RHN Account Policies

Dear Jeremy,

Grow up.

-Stomper

Jeremy Hallum wrote:
> Mr. Stomper,
>
> I'm not interested either.  Bug off.
>
> -jeremy
>
> On Jan 9, 2007, at 8:28 AM, Robert Potts wrote:
>
>> I'd say you are the little "troll" here.
>>
>> In case you haven't noticed most of us on this list live in a country

>> that guarantees free speech, which implies that an expression of 
>> opinion is indeed my right.  Saying that "I don't think anyone here 
>> is interested" is also an extremely ignorant and childish response 
>> (from a little troll).  Prove to me that no one is interested.  You 
>> can't.  In fact, from my experience a lot of linux users are getting 
>> fed up and moving to BSD of some form (perhaps if you were on a BSD 
>> list or 2 you'd understand that).  My guess is a lot of people are 
>> interested.  As for advertising another operating system, how can you

>> advertise something that is free?  I'm just giving people an 
>> alternative they may not know about.  This response is typical of the

>> amateur and defensive responses I have seen coming from this list 
>> over the last few years.  If RHN is so good, why does it bother you 
>> so much to have OpenBSD recommended as a replacement for it?
>>
>> Again, when you get sick of this and the other typical RHN crap feel 
>> free to investigate http://www.openbsd.org
>>
>> OpenBSD is committed to secure, reliable and affordable computing.  
>> Check it out!
>>
>> And try to refrain from the type of childish, defensive response that

>> is so typical of this list.  Make your OS work well.  Make your 
>> support network effective.  Then you'll have a leg to stand on.  
>> Right now you don't, and you know you don't.
>>
>> -Troll Stomper
>>
>> Sander Steffann wrote:
>>> Hi,
>>>
>>>> When it comes down to it, RHN is a highly amateur operation. They 
>>>> have proven this time and again, year after year. If you want a 
>>>> real operating system, use and support OpenBSD.
>>>
>>> Please don't troll (or advertise other operating systems on a Red 
>>> Hat oriented mailing list). I don't think anyone here is
interested...
>>>
>>> - Sander
>>>
>>>
>>> .
>>>
>>
>> _______________________________________________
>> rhn-users mailing list
>> rhn-users at redhat.com
>> https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/rhn-users
>>
>>
>
> -- 
> Jeremy Hallum, Department System Administrator
> Department of Astronomy,
> University of Michigan
>  jhallum at umich.edu
>
>
>
> _______________________________________________
> rhn-users mailing list
> rhn-users at redhat.com
> https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/rhn-users
>
> .
>

_______________________________________________
rhn-users mailing list
rhn-users at redhat.com
https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/rhn-users



From anirudha.sonar at gmail.com  Tue Jan  9 14:19:46 2007
From: anirudha.sonar at gmail.com (Anirudha Sonar)
Date: Tue, 9 Jan 2007 19:49:46 +0530
Subject: [rhn-users] RHN Account Policies
In-Reply-To: <80FDDD0100BF5F42BF6391EAB5C8D3630140D530@sbext231.mailext.com>
References: <80FDDD0100BF5F42BF6391EAB5C8D3630140D530@sbext231.mailext.com>
Message-ID: <89fc0640701090619p6014dfb9yc3af040033ea1004@mail.gmail.com>

That's absolutely right , I agreed with Juli .


On 1/9/07, Entrena Perez, Julio [HP] <jentrena at mailext.com> wrote:
>
> Hi Troll,
>
> >From my most respectful position I have to say that I don't expect to
> read non Red Hat Network related issues on this mailing list.
>
> I'll be happy to join you somewhere else but discussions about OpenBSD
> versus RHEL are, simply, out of place here.
>
> Regards,
> Juli
>
> -----Mensaje original-----
> De: rhn-users-bounces at redhat.com [mailto:rhn-users-bounces at redhat.com]
> En nombre de Robert Potts
> Enviado el: martes, 09 de enero de 2007 14:54
> Para: Discussions about Red Hat Network (rhn.redhat.com)
> Asunto: Re: [rhn-users] RHN Account Policies
>
> Dear Jeremy,
>
> Grow up.
>
> -Stomper
>
> Jeremy Hallum wrote:
> > Mr. Stomper,
> >
> > I'm not interested either.  Bug off.
> >
> > -jeremy
> >
> > On Jan 9, 2007, at 8:28 AM, Robert Potts wrote:
> >
> >> I'd say you are the little "troll" here.
> >>
> >> In case you haven't noticed most of us on this list live in a country
>
> >> that guarantees free speech, which implies that an expression of
> >> opinion is indeed my right.  Saying that "I don't think anyone here
> >> is interested" is also an extremely ignorant and childish response
> >> (from a little troll).  Prove to me that no one is interested.  You
> >> can't.  In fact, from my experience a lot of linux users are getting
> >> fed up and moving to BSD of some form (perhaps if you were on a BSD
> >> list or 2 you'd understand that).  My guess is a lot of people are
> >> interested.  As for advertising another operating system, how can you
>
> >> advertise something that is free?  I'm just giving people an
> >> alternative they may not know about.  This response is typical of the
>
> >> amateur and defensive responses I have seen coming from this list
> >> over the last few years.  If RHN is so good, why does it bother you
> >> so much to have OpenBSD recommended as a replacement for it?
> >>
> >> Again, when you get sick of this and the other typical RHN crap feel
> >> free to investigate http://www.openbsd.org
> >>
> >> OpenBSD is committed to secure, reliable and affordable computing.
> >> Check it out!
> >>
> >> And try to refrain from the type of childish, defensive response that
>
> >> is so typical of this list.  Make your OS work well.  Make your
> >> support network effective.  Then you'll have a leg to stand on.
> >> Right now you don't, and you know you don't.
> >>
> >> -Troll Stomper
> >>
> >> Sander Steffann wrote:
> >>> Hi,
> >>>
> >>>> When it comes down to it, RHN is a highly amateur operation. They
> >>>> have proven this time and again, year after year. If you want a
> >>>> real operating system, use and support OpenBSD.
> >>>
> >>> Please don't troll (or advertise other operating systems on a Red
> >>> Hat oriented mailing list). I don't think anyone here is
> interested...
> >>>
> >>> - Sander
> >>>
> >>>
> >>> .
> >>>
> >>
> >> _______________________________________________
> >> rhn-users mailing list
> >> rhn-users at redhat.com
> >> https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/rhn-users
> >>
> >>
> >
> > --
> > Jeremy Hallum, Department System Administrator
> > Department of Astronomy,
> > University of Michigan
> >  jhallum at umich.edu
> >
> >
> >
> > _______________________________________________
> > rhn-users mailing list
> > rhn-users at redhat.com
> > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/rhn-users
> >
> > .
> >
>
> _______________________________________________
> rhn-users mailing list
> rhn-users at redhat.com
> https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/rhn-users
>
> _______________________________________________
> rhn-users mailing list
> rhn-users at redhat.com
> https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/rhn-users
>



-- 
Regards,
Anirudha Sonar
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From robert at pottsdata.com  Tue Jan  9 14:29:10 2007
From: robert at pottsdata.com (Robert Potts)
Date: Tue, 09 Jan 2007 07:29:10 -0700
Subject: [rhn-users] RHN Account Policies
In-Reply-To: <80FDDD0100BF5F42BF6391EAB5C8D3630140D530@sbext231.mailext.com>
References: <80FDDD0100BF5F42BF6391EAB5C8D3630140D530@sbext231.mailext.com>
Message-ID: <45A3A6B6.8080109@pottsdata.com>

It always amazes me the quickness with which people on this list become 
defensive and insulting.  "Hi Troll" is not respectful, nor is it 
productive.

Also, the discussion was not started by me, I placed an opinion, and 
was, typically, immediately attacked (as expected).

I also disagree with you, it is a RHEL issue.  The RHN network has 
consistently demonstrated poor decision making over many years.  To 
offer a better alternative is not only logical, it is hopefully 
motivating to RHN to improve their policies and procedures.

I find that this list is frequently populated by childish, silly people 
who cannot engage in a productive discussion.  Instead they throw rocks 
and garbage at dissenters and try to get rid of them.

Very lame.  In fact, pathetic. Why are you so afraid of BSD?  Why does 
it threaten you so much?

Entrena Perez, Julio [HP] wrote:
> Hi Troll,
>
> >From my most respectful position I have to say that I don't expect to
> read non Red Hat Network related issues on this mailing list.
>
> I'll be happy to join you somewhere else but discussions about OpenBSD
> versus RHEL are, simply, out of place here. 
>
> Regards,
> Juli
>
> -----Mensaje original-----
> De: rhn-users-bounces at redhat.com [mailto:rhn-users-bounces at redhat.com]
> En nombre de Robert Potts
> Enviado el: martes, 09 de enero de 2007 14:54
> Para: Discussions about Red Hat Network (rhn.redhat.com)
> Asunto: Re: [rhn-users] RHN Account Policies
>
> Dear Jeremy,
>
> Grow up.
>
> -Stomper
>
> Jeremy Hallum wrote:
>   
>> Mr. Stomper,
>>
>> I'm not interested either.  Bug off.
>>
>> -jeremy
>>
>> On Jan 9, 2007, at 8:28 AM, Robert Potts wrote:
>>
>>     
>>> I'd say you are the little "troll" here.
>>>
>>> In case you haven't noticed most of us on this list live in a country
>>>       
>
>   
>>> that guarantees free speech, which implies that an expression of 
>>> opinion is indeed my right.  Saying that "I don't think anyone here 
>>> is interested" is also an extremely ignorant and childish response 
>>> (from a little troll).  Prove to me that no one is interested.  You 
>>> can't.  In fact, from my experience a lot of linux users are getting 
>>> fed up and moving to BSD of some form (perhaps if you were on a BSD 
>>> list or 2 you'd understand that).  My guess is a lot of people are 
>>> interested.  As for advertising another operating system, how can you
>>>       
>
>   
>>> advertise something that is free?  I'm just giving people an 
>>> alternative they may not know about.  This response is typical of the
>>>       
>
>   
>>> amateur and defensive responses I have seen coming from this list 
>>> over the last few years.  If RHN is so good, why does it bother you 
>>> so much to have OpenBSD recommended as a replacement for it?
>>>
>>> Again, when you get sick of this and the other typical RHN crap feel 
>>> free to investigate http://www.openbsd.org
>>>
>>> OpenBSD is committed to secure, reliable and affordable computing.  
>>> Check it out!
>>>
>>> And try to refrain from the type of childish, defensive response that
>>>       
>
>   
>>> is so typical of this list.  Make your OS work well.  Make your 
>>> support network effective.  Then you'll have a leg to stand on.  
>>> Right now you don't, and you know you don't.
>>>
>>> -Troll Stomper
>>>
>>> Sander Steffann wrote:
>>>       
>>>> Hi,
>>>>
>>>>         
>>>>> When it comes down to it, RHN is a highly amateur operation. They 
>>>>> have proven this time and again, year after year. If you want a 
>>>>> real operating system, use and support OpenBSD.
>>>>>           
>>>> Please don't troll (or advertise other operating systems on a Red 
>>>> Hat oriented mailing list). I don't think anyone here is
>>>>         
> interested...
>   
>>>> - Sander
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> .
>>>>
>>>>         
>>> _______________________________________________
>>> rhn-users mailing list
>>> rhn-users at redhat.com
>>> https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/rhn-users
>>>
>>>
>>>       
>> -- 
>> Jeremy Hallum, Department System Administrator
>> Department of Astronomy,
>> University of Michigan
>>  jhallum at umich.edu
>>
>>
>>
>> _______________________________________________
>> rhn-users mailing list
>> rhn-users at redhat.com
>> https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/rhn-users
>>
>> .
>>
>>     
>
> _______________________________________________
> rhn-users mailing list
> rhn-users at redhat.com
> https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/rhn-users
>
> _______________________________________________
> rhn-users mailing list
> rhn-users at redhat.com
> https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/rhn-users
>
> .
>
>   



From inode0 at gmail.com  Tue Jan  9 14:43:37 2007
From: inode0 at gmail.com (inode0)
Date: Tue, 9 Jan 2007 08:43:37 -0600
Subject: [rhn-users] RHN Account Policies
In-Reply-To: <89fc0640701090619p6014dfb9yc3af040033ea1004@mail.gmail.com>
References: <80FDDD0100BF5F42BF6391EAB5C8D3630140D530@sbext231.mailext.com>
	<89fc0640701090619p6014dfb9yc3af040033ea1004@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <e8a30f560701090643h37083056q80a874d3e76db3e7@mail.gmail.com>

On 1/9/07, Anirudha Sonar <anirudha.sonar at gmail.com> wrote:
> That's absolutely right , I agreed with Juli .

Including this post, we now have 7 of 9 posts in this thread being
off-topic. If this list can't be moderated then I think it would be
helpful to those of us who wish to discuss the Red Hat Network here to
stop replying on-list to off-topic posts.

I'd like to get back to discussing the concerns I raised in my
original post now.

Thanks,
John



From jentrena at mailext.com  Tue Jan  9 14:46:04 2007
From: jentrena at mailext.com (Entrena Perez, Julio [HP])
Date: Tue, 9 Jan 2007 15:46:04 +0100
Subject: [rhn-users] RHN Account Policies
Message-ID: <80FDDD0100BF5F42BF6391EAB5C8D3630140D546@sbext231.mailext.com>

Hi Robert,

I just wanted to tell you that this is not the place to discuss which
solution (RHEL or BSD) is better.

This is a mailing list for the profit of the current users of Red Hat
Network, NON RELATED to the reason we have to be RHN users.

I'm not discussing whether you're right or not. I'm telling you this is
not the place for that. Got it?

Regards,
Juli

-----Mensaje original-----
De: rhn-users-bounces at redhat.com [mailto:rhn-users-bounces at redhat.com]
En nombre de Robert Potts
Enviado el: martes, 09 de enero de 2007 15:29
Para: Discussions about Red Hat Network (rhn.redhat.com)
Asunto: Re: [rhn-users] RHN Account Policies

It always amazes me the quickness with which people on this list become 
defensive and insulting.  "Hi Troll" is not respectful, nor is it 
productive.

Also, the discussion was not started by me, I placed an opinion, and 
was, typically, immediately attacked (as expected).

I also disagree with you, it is a RHEL issue.  The RHN network has 
consistently demonstrated poor decision making over many years.  To 
offer a better alternative is not only logical, it is hopefully 
motivating to RHN to improve their policies and procedures.

I find that this list is frequently populated by childish, silly people 
who cannot engage in a productive discussion.  Instead they throw rocks 
and garbage at dissenters and try to get rid of them.

Very lame.  In fact, pathetic. Why are you so afraid of BSD?  Why does 
it threaten you so much?

Entrena Perez, Julio [HP] wrote:
> Hi Troll,
>
> >From my most respectful position I have to say that I don't expect to
> read non Red Hat Network related issues on this mailing list.
>
> I'll be happy to join you somewhere else but discussions about OpenBSD
> versus RHEL are, simply, out of place here. 
>
> Regards,
> Juli
>
> -----Mensaje original-----
> De: rhn-users-bounces at redhat.com [mailto:rhn-users-bounces at redhat.com]
> En nombre de Robert Potts
> Enviado el: martes, 09 de enero de 2007 14:54
> Para: Discussions about Red Hat Network (rhn.redhat.com)
> Asunto: Re: [rhn-users] RHN Account Policies
>
> Dear Jeremy,
>
> Grow up.
>
> -Stomper
>
> Jeremy Hallum wrote:
>   
>> Mr. Stomper,
>>
>> I'm not interested either.  Bug off.
>>
>> -jeremy
>>
>> On Jan 9, 2007, at 8:28 AM, Robert Potts wrote:
>>
>>     
>>> I'd say you are the little "troll" here.
>>>
>>> In case you haven't noticed most of us on this list live in a
country
>>>       
>
>   
>>> that guarantees free speech, which implies that an expression of 
>>> opinion is indeed my right.  Saying that "I don't think anyone here 
>>> is interested" is also an extremely ignorant and childish response 
>>> (from a little troll).  Prove to me that no one is interested.  You 
>>> can't.  In fact, from my experience a lot of linux users are getting

>>> fed up and moving to BSD of some form (perhaps if you were on a BSD 
>>> list or 2 you'd understand that).  My guess is a lot of people are 
>>> interested.  As for advertising another operating system, how can
you
>>>       
>
>   
>>> advertise something that is free?  I'm just giving people an 
>>> alternative they may not know about.  This response is typical of
the
>>>       
>
>   
>>> amateur and defensive responses I have seen coming from this list 
>>> over the last few years.  If RHN is so good, why does it bother you 
>>> so much to have OpenBSD recommended as a replacement for it?
>>>
>>> Again, when you get sick of this and the other typical RHN crap feel

>>> free to investigate http://www.openbsd.org
>>>
>>> OpenBSD is committed to secure, reliable and affordable computing.  
>>> Check it out!
>>>
>>> And try to refrain from the type of childish, defensive response
that
>>>       
>
>   
>>> is so typical of this list.  Make your OS work well.  Make your 
>>> support network effective.  Then you'll have a leg to stand on.  
>>> Right now you don't, and you know you don't.
>>>
>>> -Troll Stomper
>>>
>>> Sander Steffann wrote:
>>>       
>>>> Hi,
>>>>
>>>>         
>>>>> When it comes down to it, RHN is a highly amateur operation. They 
>>>>> have proven this time and again, year after year. If you want a 
>>>>> real operating system, use and support OpenBSD.
>>>>>           
>>>> Please don't troll (or advertise other operating systems on a Red 
>>>> Hat oriented mailing list). I don't think anyone here is
>>>>         
> interested...
>   
>>>> - Sander
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> .
>>>>
>>>>         
>>> _______________________________________________
>>> rhn-users mailing list
>>> rhn-users at redhat.com
>>> https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/rhn-users
>>>
>>>
>>>       
>> -- 
>> Jeremy Hallum, Department System Administrator
>> Department of Astronomy,
>> University of Michigan
>>  jhallum at umich.edu
>>
>>
>>
>> _______________________________________________
>> rhn-users mailing list
>> rhn-users at redhat.com
>> https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/rhn-users
>>
>> .
>>
>>     
>
> _______________________________________________
> rhn-users mailing list
> rhn-users at redhat.com
> https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/rhn-users
>
> _______________________________________________
> rhn-users mailing list
> rhn-users at redhat.com
> https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/rhn-users
>
> .
>
>   

_______________________________________________
rhn-users mailing list
rhn-users at redhat.com
https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/rhn-users



From mike at mommabears.com  Tue Jan  9 14:49:03 2007
From: mike at mommabears.com (MJang)
Date: Tue, 09 Jan 2007 06:49:03 -0800
Subject: [rhn-users] RHN Account Policies
In-Reply-To: <45A2F24B.1050107@pottsdata.com>
References: <e8a30f560701080742t60c1ff7fsec0ae55a72ec2915@mail.gmail.com>
	<008301c7338d$1aee7930$64c8a8c0@balefirehome>
	<45A2F24B.1050107@pottsdata.com>
Message-ID: <1168354143.5915.6.camel@localhost>

On Mon, 2007-01-08 at 18:39 -0700, Robert Potts wrote:
> When it comes down to it, RHN is a highly amateur operation. They have 
> proven this time and again, year after year. If you want a real 
> operating system, use and support OpenBSD.
> 
> http://www.openbsd.org

Dear Robert, 

RHN is not an operating system, but is a tool for administering RHEL
systems.

Is there some equivalent (or as your message suggests, some superior)
network-based all-in-one system management tool available for BSD?

Is there some corporate organization which provides an equivalent level
of support for BSD systems?

I am not aware of either, but would be glad to see it.

Thanks,
Mike



From edsall at iastate.edu  Tue Jan  9 15:04:24 2007
From: edsall at iastate.edu (Dave Edsall - The Tauminator)
Date: Tue, 09 Jan 2007 09:04:24 -0600
Subject: [rhn-users] RHN Account Policies 
In-Reply-To: Your message of Tuesday 09 January 2007 07:29:10 MST
Message-ID: <20070109150424.16484129122@lister.ait.iastate.edu>



   Mr. Potts,

   Many of us on this list work for businesses and large organizations and 
we'd like to see discussions conducted in a professional manner. Violations of 
netiquette (your quoting of Sander's private e-mail) and ad-hominem attacks, 
such as those quoted below aren't constructive nor are they respectful. 
They're more reminiscent of the kinds of things I saw on USENET in the early 
1990s.

>
>I find that this list is frequently populated by childish, silly people 
>who cannot engage in a productive discussion.  Instead they throw rocks 
>and garbage at dissenters and try to get rid of them.
>
>Very lame.  In fact, pathetic. 
>

   Getting back to John's original message, I'd like to know from Red Hat if this is somehow connected to an enhancement (or degradation) of their online support system? I work with an enterprise account at Iowa State in addition to now maintaining a server which has its own separate account on RHN. When attempting to change the contact e-mail for this separate account in RHN yesterday, an e-mail was sent to the new address asking for a confirmation of the change. Following that URL took me to the support site. Having never changed a contact address before, is this normal or is this new? If so, is this the reason for the one account, one unique e-mail?

   I am also behind John in saying that enhancements shouldn't be "sprung" on us overnight. Hell, even Micro$oft lets people beta test features months in advance before releasing them on the enterprise admins.


    Dave



-------------------------------------------------------------------------
Dave Edsall                        
Academic Systems Software
Information Technology Services  
Iowa State University       
-------------------------------------------------------------------------






From robert at pottsdata.com  Tue Jan  9 15:21:05 2007
From: robert at pottsdata.com (Robert Potts)
Date: Tue, 09 Jan 2007 08:21:05 -0700
Subject: [rhn-users] RHN Account Policies
In-Reply-To: <1168354143.5915.6.camel@localhost>
References: <e8a30f560701080742t60c1ff7fsec0ae55a72ec2915@mail.gmail.com>	<008301c7338d$1aee7930$64c8a8c0@balefirehome>	<45A2F24B.1050107@pottsdata.com>
	<1168354143.5915.6.camel@localhost>
Message-ID: <45A3B2E1.3020803@pottsdata.com>

A support system is only useful if it works. And with a superior OS, the 
need for that support system greatly diminishes.  'Nuff said.  I'll back 
off, but I thoroughly enjoy coming in every couple of years or so, 
kicking your little ant hill and then sitting back to watch you scurry 
around madly trying to figure out ways to attack the unseen giant who 
just stomped your little party.

MJang wrote:
> On Mon, 2007-01-08 at 18:39 -0700, Robert Potts wrote:
>   
>> When it comes down to it, RHN is a highly amateur operation. They have 
>> proven this time and again, year after year. If you want a real 
>> operating system, use and support OpenBSD.
>>
>> http://www.openbsd.org
>>     
>
> Dear Robert, 
>
> RHN is not an operating system, but is a tool for administering RHEL
> systems.
>
> Is there some equivalent (or as your message suggests, some superior)
> network-based all-in-one system management tool available for BSD?
>
> Is there some corporate organization which provides an equivalent level
> of support for BSD systems?
>
> I am not aware of either, but would be glad to see it.
>
> Thanks,
> Mike
>
> _______________________________________________
> rhn-users mailing list
> rhn-users at redhat.com
> https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/rhn-users
>
> .
>
>   



From theillien at yahoo.com  Tue Jan  9 15:25:02 2007
From: theillien at yahoo.com (Mathew)
Date: Tue, 09 Jan 2007 10:25:02 -0500
Subject: [rhn-users] RHN Account Policies
In-Reply-To: <e8a30f560701080742t60c1ff7fsec0ae55a72ec2915@mail.gmail.com>
References: <e8a30f560701080742t60c1ff7fsec0ae55a72ec2915@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <45A3B3CE.6010204@yahoo.com>

Maybe you should repost this so a serious thread can be formed.

Mathew

inode0 wrote:
> Some time ago RHN suddenly and without warning altered its rules for
> account names. Among other things the hyphen was no longer allowed in
> an account name. This disrupted our policies and procedures for
> managing our accounts. Lots of discussion followed, some at least at
> RHN felt they made a mistake doing that and the policy was changed
> back to allow hyphens although it took a very long time for this to
> find its way back into the code base.
> 
> Yesterday it came to my attention while creating an account that RHN
> no longer allows one email address to be associated with more than one
> account on hosted. I am told this is allowed on satellites but that
> isn't relevant to my situation. I have my business email address
> associated with three RHN accounts and I have created multiple RHN
> accounts in the past that share a single email address. So I know this
> hasn't always been the policy or at least it hasn't been enforced in
> the past.
> 
> So one question I have is why RHN chooses to enforce what seems to be
> an arbitrary and useless new rule about email addresses? Another is
> why there aren't announcements about such things made in public so
> those of us who will have business operations disrupted will have a
> chance to prepare ourselves before the disruption occurs?
> 
> We really have more than enough account management headaches already
> without needing to create aliases or mailing lists to use for the
> email address on new accounts.
> 
> John
> 
> _______________________________________________
> rhn-users mailing list
> rhn-users at redhat.com
> https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/rhn-users
> 
> 



From HowardC at prpa.org  Tue Jan  9 15:33:22 2007
From: HowardC at prpa.org (Howard, Chris)
Date: Tue, 9 Jan 2007 08:33:22 -0700
Subject: [rhn-users] RHN Account Policies
In-Reply-To: <45A3B2E1.3020803@pottsdata.com>
Message-ID: <1305E9F69BC3CE49ABCDC8E00492F702013BB9BF@titan.internal.prpa.org>


I suspect someone has perloined Mr. Potts account.

Chris
 




From gurudatta at sonoasystems.com  Wed Jan 10 09:11:52 2007
From: gurudatta at sonoasystems.com (gurudatta)
Date: Wed, 10 Jan 2007 14:41:52 +0530
Subject: [rhn-users] intermitent home directory not mounting in rhel 4.0
Message-ID: <1168420312.23139.4.camel@gurudatta-dt>



Hi All,


In my one of server intermittently some user home directory will not
mount in the first time and if he tries 2nd time it will login.


Jan 10 14:31:20 cauvery automount[22565]: failed to
mount /home/gurudatta


Regards
Gurudatta N.R



From inode0 at gmail.com  Wed Jan 10 13:22:42 2007
From: inode0 at gmail.com (inode0)
Date: Wed, 10 Jan 2007 07:22:42 -0600
Subject: [rhn-users] Unannounced RHN Policy Changes Disrupting Business
	Practices ... Again (Repost)
Message-ID: <e8a30f560701100522v401f02f5ya56da208d1b8fcec@mail.gmail.com>

Some time ago RHN suddenly and without warning altered its rules for
account names. Among other things the hyphen was no longer allowed in
an account name. This disrupted our policies and procedures for
managing our accounts. Lots of discussion followed, some at least at
RHN felt they made a mistake doing that and the policy was changed
back to allow hyphens although it took a very long time for this to
find its way back into the code base.

Yesterday it came to my attention while creating an account that RHN
no longer allows one email address to be associated with more than one
account on hosted. I am told this is allowed on satellites but that
isn't relevant to my situation. I have my business email address
associated with three RHN accounts and I have created multiple RHN
accounts in the past that share a single email address. So I know this
hasn't always been the policy or at least it hasn't been enforced in
the past.

So one question I have is why RHN chooses to enforce what seems to be
an arbitrary and useless new rule about email addresses? Another is
why there aren't announcements about such things made in public so
those of us who will have business operations disrupted will have a
chance to prepare ourselves before the disruption occurs?

We really have more than enough account management headaches already
without needing to create aliases or mailing lists to use for the
email address on new accounts.

John



From paula at scripps.edu  Wed Jan 10 14:50:44 2007
From: paula at scripps.edu (Paula J. Lindsay)
Date: Wed, 10 Jan 2007 06:50:44 -0800
Subject: [rhn-users] usb cdrom on fc3
In-Reply-To: <1CF7137E18C1234082F572E8A816DFAE05BDB366@Octopus.sdcwa.org>
References: <1CF7137E18C1234082F572E8A816DFAE05BDB366@Octopus.sdcwa.org>
Message-ID: <45A4FD44.8030709@scripps.edu>

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From inode0 at gmail.com  Wed Jan 10 15:08:36 2007
From: inode0 at gmail.com (inode0)
Date: Wed, 10 Jan 2007 09:08:36 -0600
Subject: [rhn-users] usb cdrom on fc3
In-Reply-To: <45A4FD44.8030709@scripps.edu>
References: <1CF7137E18C1234082F572E8A816DFAE05BDB366@Octopus.sdcwa.org>
	<45A4FD44.8030709@scripps.edu>
Message-ID: <e8a30f560701100708t44cfae30xaf50dd0bfa3f3a6b@mail.gmail.com>

On 1/10/07, Paula J. Lindsay <paula at scripps.edu> wrote:
>
>  Hi Everyone,
>  Can someone tell me how to read a cdrom, that is installed on a usb port?
> It sees the one on the cpu, but i can't find the one
>  attached to the usb.  Any help will be appreciated.

Paula,

Since I don't see how any of this has anything to do with users of Red
Hat Network maybe you should ask this question on one of the fedora
mailing lists instead?

John

>  Florez, Nestor wrote:
>
> OK,
>
> Are you compiling something from scratch or are you running an existing
> application?
> If you are running an existing application it might not be compatible with
> you java version.
>
> N?stor :-)
>
> -----Original Message-----
>  From: rhn-users-bounces at redhat.com
> [mailto:rhn-users-bounces at redhat.com]On Behalf Of Peter
> K?hnlein
>  Sent: Tuesday, June 06, 2006 12:16 PM
>  To: Red Hat Network Users List
>  Cc: Paul.Mallasch at Tectura.com
>  Subject: Re: [rhn-users] Newbie: Installing jdk1.5.0_06 on FC3
>
>  Thanks Paul,
>
>  I tried do that right away... with no success, however. Do you know a way
> to determine whether I got javax.* anyway? I mean: it should have been
> installed w/ the jdk distribution in the first place, as far as I got it,
> but ~ who knows?
>
>  /peter
>
>  Mallasch, Paul wrote:
>
>
> I've had to also put Java in the path.
>
> export PATH=$JAVA_HOME/bin:$PATH
>
>
>
>
> -paul
>
>  ________________________________
>  From: rhn-users-bounces at redhat.com
> [mailto:rhn-users-bounces at redhat.com] On Behalf Of Peter
> K?hnlein
>  Sent: Tuesday, June 06, 2006 11:50 AM
>  To: rhn-users at redhat.com
>  Subject: [rhn-users] Newbie: Installing jdk1.5.0_06 on FC3
>
>  Dear Colleagues,
>
>  I'm a bloody java beginner and got an installation/configuration problem. I
> downloaded and installed sun's jdk1.5.0_06 to my FC3 box in
> /usr/share/jdk1.5.0_06/. I fiddled around with the symlinks to point to the
> binaries in .../bin/ and javac etc. now run. However, I get a
>
>  java.lang.ClassCastException: SwingUI
>          at
> sun.applet.AppletPanel.createApplet(AppletPanel.java:721)
>          at
> sun.applet.AppletPanel.runLoader(AppletPanel.java:650)
>          at sun.applet.AppletPanel.run(AppletPanel.java:324)
>          at java.lang.Thread.run(Thread.java:595)
>
>  when I try to view the class built from the simple code at the end of this
> message with appletviewer (all of the code there for completeness). I do
> think java doesn't find javax.* - and don't know how to tell it where it is.
> I've set my
>
>  JAVA_HOME=/usr/share/jdk1.5.0_06/
>
>  (that's where my installation is).
>
>  Any idea what is going wrong here? (I posted a similar question to the
> parallel sun-list, but got no solution from there...)
>
>  THX, Peter
>  --
> http://www.peter-kuehnlein.net
> "The Way of the Samurai is in desperateness. Ten men or more cannot
>  kill such a man."
> (Hagakure)
>
> Upcoming event:
> http://www.constraints-in-discourse.org/cid06
>
>  ________________________________
>
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>  o The Paula J. Lindsay, IT Analyst III
>  / Research Computing, TPC21
> o Scripps phone: 858.784.9378
>  \ fax: 858.784.9301
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>



From paula at scripps.edu  Wed Jan 10 15:36:37 2007
From: paula at scripps.edu (Paula J. Lindsay)
Date: Wed, 10 Jan 2007 07:36:37 -0800
Subject: [rhn-users] usb cdrom on fc3
In-Reply-To: <45A4FD44.8030709@scripps.edu>
References: <1CF7137E18C1234082F572E8A816DFAE05BDB366@Octopus.sdcwa.org>
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From theillien at yahoo.com  Wed Jan 10 15:37:46 2007
From: theillien at yahoo.com (Mathew)
Date: Wed, 10 Jan 2007 10:37:46 -0500
Subject: [rhn-users] usb cdrom on fc3
In-Reply-To: <45A50805.706@scripps.edu>
References: <1CF7137E18C1234082F572E8A816DFAE05BDB366@Octopus.sdcwa.org>	<45A4FD44.8030709@scripps.edu>
	<45A50805.706@scripps.edu>
Message-ID: <45A5084A.9070501@yahoo.com>

I think I've just been confused.

Mathew

Paula J. Lindsay wrote:
> 
> 
> Paula J. Lindsay wrote:
>> Hi Everyone,
>> Can someone tell me how to read a cdrom, that is installed on a usb
>> port?  It sees the one on the cpu, but i can't find the one
>> attached to the usb.  Any help will be appreciated.
>> Paula
>>
>> Florez, Nestor wrote:
>>> OK,
>>>  
>>> Are you compiling something from scratch or are you running an
>>> existing application?
>>> If you are running an existing application it might not be compatible
>>> with you java version.
>>>  
>>> N?stor :-)
>>>
> Hi Nestor,
> No, I have to reinstall the os.  This may be a "dumb" question, but, if
> it's in unix, shouldn't it be ascii or plain text?
> Many thanks,
> Paula
> 
> 
> 
>>>     -----Original Message-----
>>>     *From:* rhn-users-bounces at redhat.com
>>>     [mailto:rhn-users-bounces at redhat.com]*On Behalf Of *Peter K?hnlein
>>>     *Sent:* Tuesday, June 06, 2006 12:16 PM
>>>     *To:* Red Hat Network Users List
>>>     *Cc:* Paul.Mallasch at Tectura.com
>>>     *Subject:* Re: [rhn-users] Newbie: Installing jdk1.5.0_06 on FC3
>>>
>>>     Thanks Paul,
>>>
>>>     I tried do that right away... with no success, however. Do you
>>>     know a way to determine whether I got javax.* anyway? I mean: it
>>>     should have been installed w/ the jdk distribution in the first
>>>     place, as far as I got it, but ~ who knows?
>>>
>>>     /peter
>>>
>>>     Mallasch, Paul wrote:
>>>>     I've had to also put Java in the path.
>>>>      
>>>>     export PATH=$JAVA_HOME/bin:$PATH
>>>>      
>>>>
>>>>     **-paul
>>>>
>>>>     ------------------------------------------------------------------------
>>>>     *From:* rhn-users-bounces at redhat.com
>>>>     [mailto:rhn-users-bounces at redhat.com] *On Behalf Of *Peter K?hnlein
>>>>     *Sent:* Tuesday, June 06, 2006 11:50 AM
>>>>     *To:* rhn-users at redhat.com
>>>>     *Subject:* [rhn-users] Newbie: Installing jdk1.5.0_06 on FC3
>>>>
>>>>     Dear Colleagues,
>>>>
>>>>     I'm a bloody java beginner and got an installation/configuration
>>>>     problem. I downloaded and installed sun's jdk1.5.0_06 to my FC3
>>>>     box in /usr/share/jdk1.5.0_06/. I fiddled around with the
>>>>     symlinks to point to the binaries in .../bin/ and javac etc. now
>>>>     run. However, I get a
>>>>
>>>>     java.lang.ClassCastException: SwingUI
>>>>             at sun.applet.AppletPanel.createApplet(AppletPanel.java:721)
>>>>             at sun.applet.AppletPanel.runLoader(AppletPanel.java:650)
>>>>             at sun.applet.AppletPanel.run(AppletPanel.java:324)
>>>>             at java.lang.Thread.run(Thread.java:595)
>>>>
>>>>     when I try to view the class built from the simple code at the
>>>>     end of this message with appletviewer (all of the code there for
>>>>     completeness). I do think java doesn't find javax.* - and don't
>>>>     know how to tell it where it is. I've set my
>>>>
>>>>     JAVA_HOME=/usr/share/jdk1.5.0_06/
>>>>
>>>>     (that's where my installation is).
>>>>
>>>>     Any idea what is going wrong here? (I posted a similar question
>>>>     to the parallel sun-list, but got no solution from there...)
>>>>
>>>>     THX, Peter
>>>     -- 
>>>     http://www.peter-kuehnlein.net
>>>     "The Way of the Samurai is in desperateness. Ten men or more cannot
>>>      kill such a man."
>>>     (Hagakure)
>>>
>>>     Upcoming event:
>>>     http://www.constraints-in-discourse.org/cid06
>>>         
>>>
>>> ------------------------------------------------------------------------
>>>
>>> _______________________________________________
>>> rhn-users mailing list
>>> rhn-users at redhat.com
>>> https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/rhn-users
>>
>> -- 
>> --*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*
>>   o The			Paula J. Lindsay, IT Analyst III
>>  /        	 	Research Computing, TPC21
>> o   Scripps		phone:  858.784.9378
>>  \			fax:    858.784.9301
>>   o Research 		email: paula at scripps.edu
>>  /                    
>> o   Institute						
>> ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
>>   
>> ------------------------------------------------------------------------
>>
>> _______________________________________________
>> rhn-users mailing list
>> rhn-users at redhat.com
>> https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/rhn-users
> 
> -- 
> --*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*
>   o The			Paula J. Lindsay, IT Analyst III
>  /        	 	Research Computing, TPC21
> o   Scripps		phone:  858.784.9378
>  \			fax:    858.784.9301
>   o Research 		email: paula at scripps.edu
>  /                    
> o   Institute						
> ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
> 
> 
> ------------------------------------------------------------------------
> 
> _______________________________________________
> rhn-users mailing list
> rhn-users at redhat.com
> https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/rhn-users



From hubarlow at sbcglobal.net  Wed Jan 10 15:47:40 2007
From: hubarlow at sbcglobal.net (hubarlow at sbcglobal.net)
Date: Wed, 10 Jan 2007 07:47:40 -0800 (PST)
Subject: [rhn-users] usb cdrom on fc3
Message-ID: <20070110154740.50444.qmail@web82502.mail.mud.yahoo.com>

John:  Could you be a bit more helpful and point her to an actual address?
I would but don't have them on hand.  They are on my linux machine.

Hugh


----- Original Message ----
From: inode0 <inode0 at gmail.com>
To: Discussions about Red Hat Network (rhn.redhat.com) <rhn-users at redhat.com>
Sent: Wednesday, January 10, 2007 9:08:36 AM
Subject: Re: [rhn-users] usb cdrom on fc3


On 1/10/07, Paula J. Lindsay <paula at scripps.edu> wrote:
>
>  Hi Everyone,
>  Can someone tell me how to read a cdrom, that is installed on a usb port?
> It sees the one on the cpu, but i can't find the one
>  attached to the usb.  Any help will be appreciated.

Paula,

Since I don't see how any of this has anything to do with users of Red
Hat Network maybe you should ask this question on one of the fedora
mailing lists instead?

John

>  Florez, Nestor wrote:
>
> OK,
>
> Are you compiling something from scratch or are you running an existing
> application?
> If you are running an existing application it might not be compatible with
> you java version.
>
> N?stor :-)
>
> -----Original Message-----
>  From: rhn-users-bounces at redhat.com
> [mailto:rhn-users-bounces at redhat.com]On Behalf Of Peter
> K?hnlein
>  Sent: Tuesday, June 06, 2006 12:16 PM
>  To: Red Hat Network Users List
>  Cc: Paul.Mallasch at Tectura.com
>  Subject: Re: [rhn-users] Newbie: Installing jdk1.5.0_06 on FC3
>
>  Thanks Paul,
>
>  I tried do that right away... with no success, however. Do you know a way
> to determine whether I got javax.* anyway? I mean: it should have been
> installed w/ the jdk distribution in the first place, as far as I got it,
> but ~ who knows?
>
>  /peter
>
>  Mallasch, Paul wrote:
>
>
> I've had to also put Java in the path.
>
> export PATH=$JAVA_HOME/bin:$PATH
>
>
>
>
> -paul
>
>  ________________________________
>  From: rhn-users-bounces at redhat.com
> [mailto:rhn-users-bounces at redhat.com] On Behalf Of Peter
> K?hnlein
>  Sent: Tuesday, June 06, 2006 11:50 AM
>  To: rhn-users at redhat.com
>  Subject: [rhn-users] Newbie: Installing jdk1.5.0_06 on FC3
>
>  Dear Colleagues,
>
>  I'm a bloody java beginner and got an installation/configuration problem. I
> downloaded and installed sun's jdk1.5.0_06 to my FC3 box in
> /usr/share/jdk1.5.0_06/. I fiddled around with the symlinks to point to the
> binaries in .../bin/ and javac etc. now run. However, I get a
>
>  java.lang.ClassCastException: SwingUI
>          at
> sun.applet.AppletPanel.createApplet(AppletPanel.java:721)
>          at
> sun.applet.AppletPanel.runLoader(AppletPanel.java:650)
>          at sun.applet.AppletPanel.run(AppletPanel.java:324)
>          at java.lang.Thread.run(Thread.java:595)
>
>  when I try to view the class built from the simple code at the end of this
> message with appletviewer (all of the code there for completeness). I do
> think java doesn't find javax.* - and don't know how to tell it where it is.
> I've set my
>
>  JAVA_HOME=/usr/share/jdk1.5.0_06/
>
>  (that's where my installation is).
>
>  Any idea what is going wrong here? (I posted a similar question to the
> parallel sun-list, but got no solution from there...)
>
>  THX, Peter
>  --
> http://www.peter-kuehnlein.net
> "The Way of the Samurai is in desperateness. Ten men or more cannot
>  kill such a man."
> (Hagakure)
>
> Upcoming event:
> http://www.constraints-in-discourse.org/cid06
>
>  ________________________________
>
> _______________________________________________
> rhn-users mailing list
> rhn-users at redhat.com
> https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/rhn-users
>
>  --
> --*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*
>  o The Paula J. Lindsay, IT Analyst III
>  / Research Computing, TPC21
> o Scripps phone: 858.784.9378
>  \ fax: 858.784.9301
>  o Research email: paula at scripps.edu
>  /
> o Institute
> ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
>
>
> _______________________________________________
> rhn-users mailing list
> rhn-users at redhat.com
> https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/rhn-users
>
>

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From inode0 at gmail.com  Wed Jan 10 15:55:25 2007
From: inode0 at gmail.com (inode0)
Date: Wed, 10 Jan 2007 09:55:25 -0600
Subject: [rhn-users] usb cdrom on fc3
In-Reply-To: <20070110154740.50444.qmail@web82502.mail.mud.yahoo.com>
References: <20070110154740.50444.qmail@web82502.mail.mud.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <e8a30f560701100755o746a2415v74e5a276ed80ab82@mail.gmail.com>

On 1/10/07, hubarlow at sbcglobal.net <hubarlow at sbcglobal.net> wrote:
>
> John:  Could you be a bit more helpful and point her to an actual address?
> I would but don't have them on hand.  They are on my linux machine.

Ok. Here is a list of Red Hat related mailing lists. One can read the
short descriptions of most on this page and try to pick out one that
has something to do with the question you plan to ask. You may still
misfire occasionally and that is ok. This list, rhn-users, is
routinely abused to the point where it is treated as a general list
for any question under the sun.

    http://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/

John



From duffy at redhat.com  Wed Jan 10 15:57:30 2007
From: duffy at redhat.com (=?ISO-8859-1?Q?M=E1ir=EDn_Duffy?=)
Date: Wed, 10 Jan 2007 10:57:30 -0500
Subject: [rhn-users] usb cdrom on fc3
In-Reply-To: <e8a30f560701100755o746a2415v74e5a276ed80ab82@mail.gmail.com>
References: <20070110154740.50444.qmail@web82502.mail.mud.yahoo.com>
	<e8a30f560701100755o746a2415v74e5a276ed80ab82@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <45A50CEA.9030808@redhat.com>

inode0 wrote:
> Ok. Here is a list of Red Hat related mailing lists. One can read the
> short descriptions of most on this page and try to pick out one that
> has something to do with the question you plan to ask. You may still
> misfire occasionally and that is ok. This list, rhn-users, is
> routinely abused to the point where it is treated as a general list
> for any question under the sun.
> 
>    http://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/

A list of fedora-specific mailing lists is available here (scroll down a 
little bit):

http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Communicate

~m




From theillien at yahoo.com  Wed Jan 10 15:57:42 2007
From: theillien at yahoo.com (Mathew)
Date: Wed, 10 Jan 2007 10:57:42 -0500
Subject: [rhn-users] usb cdrom on fc3
In-Reply-To: <e8a30f560701100755o746a2415v74e5a276ed80ab82@mail.gmail.com>
References: <20070110154740.50444.qmail@web82502.mail.mud.yahoo.com>
	<e8a30f560701100755o746a2415v74e5a276ed80ab82@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <45A50CF6.8080809@yahoo.com>

inode0 wrote:
> On 1/10/07, hubarlow at sbcglobal.net <hubarlow at sbcglobal.net> wrote:
>>
>> John:  Could you be a bit more helpful and point her to an actual
>> address?
>> I would but don't have them on hand.  They are on my linux machine.
> 
> Ok. Here is a list of Red Hat related mailing lists. One can read the
> short descriptions of most on this page and try to pick out one that
> has something to do with the question you plan to ask. You may still
> misfire occasionally and that is ok. This list, rhn-users, is
> routinely abused to the point where it is treated as a general list
> for any question under the sun.
> 
>    http://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/
> 
> John
> 

Well, to be fair, the abuse stems from the fact that at one time this
list was, more or less, the catch all.

Mathew



From paula at scripps.edu  Wed Jan 10 16:21:39 2007
From: paula at scripps.edu (Paula J. Lindsay)
Date: Wed, 10 Jan 2007 08:21:39 -0800
Subject: [rhn-users] usb cdrom on fc3
In-Reply-To: <45A50CF6.8080809@yahoo.com>
References: <20070110154740.50444.qmail@web82502.mail.mud.yahoo.com>	<e8a30f560701100755o746a2415v74e5a276ed80ab82@mail.gmail.com>
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From robert.lessley at rogersgroupinc.com  Thu Jan 11 15:30:08 2007
From: robert.lessley at rogersgroupinc.com (Robert Lessley)
Date: Thu, 11 Jan 2007 09:30:08 -0600
Subject: [rhn-users] RH AS 3.0 Update 4 Quad dual core 
Message-ID: <AF69A42A6F56C345BDE6E422AA6F63BF6699B3@EXCH2000.rogersgroupinc.com>


	Due to a limitation, I cannot run update 5 which supports dual cores. Will 3.0 update 4 run but not use the extra cores? In the future, I am sure we will go to RH AS 4.0 and I would like to buy hardware with that in mind.

	Has anyone tried RH AS 3.0 Update 4 with a PowerEdge 6850: 3.0GHz/800Mhz/2x2mb Cache, Dual-Core Intel(tm) Xeon 7041 Processor or the dual cores in general?

Thanks






From redouane at ccs.com.jo  Fri Jan 12 21:57:32 2007
From: redouane at ccs.com.jo (redouane Nour Al-tubor)
Date: Fri, 12 Jan 2007 23:57:32 +0200
Subject: [rhn-users] (no subject)
Message-ID: <1168639052.2800.5.camel@localhost.localdomain>

Hello Everyone,

i would like to know how we can use dump?
while i am using dump under red hat enterprise linux ES 4 using the
following command:
dump -0u -f /dev/st0 / 
i get the following message's 

DUMP:ACLs in inode #2 won't be dumped 
DUMP:ACLs in inode #2232 won't be dumped 
DUMP:ACLs in inode #232324 won't be dumped 
..... etc... 

without knowing if the dump process is going on or not.

Note: i don't use or have ACLs ????


Thanks All,
-- 
Redouane Nour Al-Tubor
Systems Support Engineer
Computer and Communications Systems
E-mail : redouane at ccs.com.jo <mailto:redouane at ccs.com.jo>
Tel :  962-6-5344088
Fax: 962-6-5346494
Mobile:962-79-6104026




From d.qureshi at mdx.ac.uk  Mon Jan 15 16:22:14 2007
From: d.qureshi at mdx.ac.uk (d.qureshi at mdx.ac.uk)
Date: Mon, 15 Jan 2007 16:22:14 +0000 (GMT)
Subject: [rhn-users] How to apply patches
Message-ID: <01MBYQ91EO9U8WWZP9@cluster.mdx.ac.uk>

Hello,

I am currently running the following operating system on HP Proliant DL380 G3 servers:-

Red Hat Enterprise Linux As 3 (Taroon)

How do I apply patches to this server and what is the latest taroon update on RHEL AS 3?

I do have a RHN account.

Can anyone help me?

Dan...
            



From m.watts at eris.qinetiq.com  Mon Jan 15 17:01:30 2007
From: m.watts at eris.qinetiq.com (Mark Watts)
Date: Mon, 15 Jan 2007 17:01:30 +0000
Subject: [rhn-users] How to apply patches
In-Reply-To: <01MBYQ91EO9U8WWZP9@cluster.mdx.ac.uk>
References: <01MBYQ91EO9U8WWZP9@cluster.mdx.ac.uk>
Message-ID: <200701151701.39283.m.watts@eris.qinetiq.com>


> Hello,
>
> I am currently running the following operating system on HP Proliant DL380
> G3 servers:-
>
> Red Hat Enterprise Linux As 3 (Taroon)
>
> How do I apply patches to this server and what is the latest taroon update
> on RHEL AS 3?
>
> I do have a RHN account.

Login to RHN, select your system and click the "update now" link, then 
"confirm" to schedule the updates to be applied next time your system checks 
in.

Or run "rhn_check" from a root console to force a check in.

Mark.

-- 
Mark Watts BSc RHCE MBCS
Senior Systems Engineer
QinetiQ Trusted Information Management
Trusted Solutions and Services Group
GPG Public Key ID: 455420ED

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From samer.azmy at gmail.com  Mon Jan 15 17:46:29 2007
From: samer.azmy at gmail.com (Samer Azmy)
Date: Mon, 15 Jan 2007 19:46:29 +0200
Subject: [rhn-users] How to apply patches
In-Reply-To: <200701151701.39283.m.watts@eris.qinetiq.com>
References: <01MBYQ91EO9U8WWZP9@cluster.mdx.ac.uk>
	<200701151701.39283.m.watts@eris.qinetiq.com>
Message-ID: <b8332cb80701150946j48fcc064s1caa9d97820b2e97@mail.gmail.com>

Hello,

from Shell you can
1) yum update

>From GUI/X-Windows
1) you can run from shell up2date
2) System Tools Menu --> Redhat Network (it is the same as if you launch
up2date)

Good Luck

Kind Regards
Samer Azmy


On 1/15/07, Mark Watts <m.watts at eris.qinetiq.com> wrote:
>
>
> > Hello,
> >
> > I am currently running the following operating system on HP Proliant
> DL380
> > G3 servers:-
> >
> > Red Hat Enterprise Linux As 3 (Taroon)
> >
> > How do I apply patches to this server and what is the latest taroon
> update
> > on RHEL AS 3?
> >
> > I do have a RHN account.
>
> Login to RHN, select your system and click the "update now" link, then
> "confirm" to schedule the updates to be applied next time your system
> checks
> in.
>
> Or run "rhn_check" from a root console to force a check in.
>
> Mark.
>
> --
> Mark Watts BSc RHCE MBCS
> Senior Systems Engineer
> QinetiQ Trusted Information Management
> Trusted Solutions and Services Group
> GPG Public Key ID: 455420ED
>
>
>
> _______________________________________________
> rhn-users mailing list
> rhn-users at redhat.com
> https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/rhn-users
>
>
>
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From d.qureshi at mdx.ac.uk  Tue Jan 16 11:16:43 2007
From: d.qureshi at mdx.ac.uk (d.qureshi at mdx.ac.uk)
Date: Tue, 16 Jan 2007 11:16:43 +0000 (GMT)
Subject: [rhn-users] How to apply patches
Message-ID: <01MBZTUHKQ6U8WX03R@cluster.mdx.ac.uk>

Hi,

I have gone to the RHN web page and selected one system then clicked on manage.I can see
that there are 387 erratas and 286 packges listed for this system.

Do I need to apply all 387 erratas listed to my system?

Also do I need to apply all 286 packages listed to my system?

Also if run the up2date command will it apply all 387 erratas to my system?

Thanks


Hello,

from Shell you can
1) yum update

>From GUI/X-Windows
1) you can run from shell up2date
2) System Tools Menu --> Redhat Network (it is the same as if you launch
up2date)

Good Luck

Kind Regards
Samer Azmy


On 1/15/07, Mark Watts <m.watts at eris.qinetiq.com> wrote:
>
>
> > Hello,
> >
> > I am currently running the following operating system on HP Proliant
> DL380
> > G3 servers:-
> >
> > Red Hat Enterprise Linux As 3 (Taroon)
> >
> > How do I apply patches to this server and what is the latest taroon
> update
> > on RHEL AS 3?
> >
> > I do have a RHN account.
>
> Login to RHN, select your system and click the "update now" link, then
> "confirm" to schedule the updates to be applied next time your system
> checks
> in.
>
> Or run "rhn_check" from a root console to force a check in.
>
> Mark.
>
> --
> Mark Watts BSc RHCE MBCS
> Senior Systems Engineer
> QinetiQ Trusted Information Management
> Trusted Solutions and Services Group
> GPG Public Key ID: 455420ED
>
>
>
> _______________________________________________
> rhn-users mailing list
> rhn-users at redhat.com
> https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/rhn-users
>
>
>

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Hello,<br><br>from Shell you can <br>1) yum update<br><br>From GUI/X-Windows<br>1) you can run from shell up2date<br>2) System Tools Menu --&gt; Redhat Network (it is the same as if you launch up2date)<br><br>Good Luck<br>
<br>Kind Regards<br>Samer Azmy<br><br><br><div><span class="gmail_quote">On 1/15/07, <b class="gmail_sendername">Mark Watts</b> &lt;<a href="mailto:m.watts at eris.qinetiq.com">m.watts at eris.qinetiq.com</a>&gt; wrote:</span><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="border-left: 1px solid rgb(204, 204, 204); margin: 0pt 0pt 0pt 0.8ex; padding-left: 1ex;">
<br>&gt; Hello,<br>&gt;<br>&gt; I am currently running the following operating system on HP Proliant DL380<br>&gt; G3 servers:-<br>&gt;<br>&gt; Red Hat Enterprise Linux As 3 (Taroon)<br>&gt;<br>&gt; How do I apply patches to this server and what is the latest taroon update
<br>&gt; on RHEL AS 3?<br>&gt;<br>&gt; I do have a RHN account.<br><br>Login to RHN, select your system and click the &quot;update now&quot; link, then<br>&quot;confirm&quot; to schedule the updates to be applied next time your system checks
<br>in.<br><br>Or run &quot;rhn_check&quot; from a root console to force a check in.<br><br>Mark.<br><br>--<br>Mark Watts BSc RHCE MBCS<br>Senior Systems Engineer<br>QinetiQ Trusted Information Management<br>Trusted Solutions and Services Group
<br>GPG Public Key ID: 455420ED<br><br><br><br>_______________________________________________<br>rhn-users mailing list<br><a href="mailto:rhn-users at redhat.com">rhn-users at redhat.com</a><br><a href="https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/rhn-users">
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From samer.azmy at gmail.com  Tue Jan 16 11:54:01 2007
From: samer.azmy at gmail.com (Samer Azmy)
Date: Tue, 16 Jan 2007 13:54:01 +0200
Subject: [rhn-users] How to apply patches
In-Reply-To: <01MBZTUHKQ6U8WX03R@cluster.mdx.ac.uk>
References: <01MBZTUHKQ6U8WX03R@cluster.mdx.ac.uk>
Message-ID: <b8332cb80701160354i28b8e9aao199b0fea30b0b925@mail.gmail.com>

Hello,

to apply all the errata or not , depends on your environment (But I
recommend you do, IF it will not effect any of th running services
compatibility)

and I Recommend not to upgrade kernel (make package exclude for kernel
packages) as this may have impact on some drivers on your drivers - like
RAID drivers-

Good Luck

Keep me posted if you needed anything

Regards
Samer

On 1/16/07, d.qureshi at mdx.ac.uk <d.qureshi at mdx.ac.uk> wrote:
>
> Hi,
>
> I have gone to the RHN web page and selected one system then clicked on
> manage.I can see
> that there are 387 erratas and 286 packges listed for this system.
>
> Do I need to apply all 387 erratas listed to my system?
>
> Also do I need to apply all 286 packages listed to my system?
>
> Also if run the up2date command will it apply all 387 erratas to my
> system?
>
> Thanks
>
>
> Hello,
>
> from Shell you can
> 1) yum update
>
> >From GUI/X-Windows
> 1) you can run from shell up2date
> 2) System Tools Menu --> Redhat Network (it is the same as if you launch
> up2date)
>
> Good Luck
>
> Kind Regards
> Samer Azmy
>
>
> On 1/15/07, Mark Watts <m.watts at eris.qinetiq.com> wrote:
> >
> >
> > > Hello,
> > >
> > > I am currently running the following operating system on HP Proliant
> > DL380
> > > G3 servers:-
> > >
> > > Red Hat Enterprise Linux As 3 (Taroon)
> > >
> > > How do I apply patches to this server and what is the latest taroon
> > update
> > > on RHEL AS 3?
> > >
> > > I do have a RHN account.
> >
> > Login to RHN, select your system and click the "update now" link, then
> > "confirm" to schedule the updates to be applied next time your system
> > checks
> > in.
> >
> > Or run "rhn_check" from a root console to force a check in.
> >
> > Mark.
> >
> > --
> > Mark Watts BSc RHCE MBCS
> > Senior Systems Engineer
> > QinetiQ Trusted Information Management
> > Trusted Solutions and Services Group
> > GPG Public Key ID: 455420ED
> >
> >
> >
> > _______________________________________________
> > rhn-users mailing list
> > rhn-users at redhat.com
> > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/rhn-users
> >
> >
> >
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> GUI/X-Windows<br>1) you can run from shell up2date<br>2) System Tools Menu
> --&gt; Redhat Network (it is the same as if you launch up2date)<br><br>Good
> Luck<br>
> <br>Kind Regards<br>Samer Azmy<br><br><br><div><span
> class="gmail_quote">On 1/15/07, <b class="gmail_sendername">Mark Watts</b>
> &lt;<a href="mailto:m.watts at eris.qinetiq.com">m.watts at eris.qinetiq.com</a>&gt;
> wrote:</span><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="border-left: 1px solid
> rgb(204, 204, 204); margin: 0pt 0pt 0pt 0.8ex; padding-left: 1ex;">
> <br>&gt; Hello,<br>&gt;<br>&gt; I am currently running the following
> operating system on HP Proliant DL380<br>&gt; G3 servers:-<br>&gt;<br>&gt;
> Red Hat Enterprise Linux As 3 (Taroon)<br>&gt;<br>&gt; How do I apply
> patches to this server and what is the latest taroon update
> <br>&gt; on RHEL AS 3?<br>&gt;<br>&gt; I do have a RHN
> account.<br><br>Login to RHN, select your system and click the &quot;update
> now&quot; link, then<br>&quot;confirm&quot; to schedule the updates to be
> applied next time your system checks
> <br>in.<br><br>Or run &quot;rhn_check&quot; from a root console to force a
> check in.<br><br>Mark.<br><br>--<br>Mark Watts BSc RHCE MBCS<br>Senior
> Systems Engineer<br>QinetiQ Trusted Information Management<br>Trusted
> Solutions and Services Group
> <br>GPG Public Key ID:
> 455420ED<br><br><br><br>_______________________________________________<br>rhn-users
> mailing list<br><a href="mailto:rhn-users at redhat.com">rhn-users at redhat.com</a><br><a
> href="https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/rhn-users">
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From d.qureshi at mdx.ac.uk  Tue Jan 16 17:50:32 2007
From: d.qureshi at mdx.ac.uk (d.qureshi at mdx.ac.uk)
Date: Tue, 16 Jan 2007 17:50:32 +0000 (GMT)
Subject: [rhn-users] How to apply patches
Message-ID: <01MC079FGY5E8YEF96@cluster.mdx.ac.uk>

Hi Samer,

This what I did to update all the erratas and packages on my system.

I first ran up2date up2date to update the agent.

I then ran up2date -u &

The update took about 35 minutes to complete. I then rebooted the system.

Now the system is show thats it running on RHEL AS 3 Taroon Update 8. The system was previously
running on RHEL AS 3 Update 4.

Also runnng the up2date did not change the kernel version at all. I am happy the system is updated now.

Just one more thing can you advise me on this when I check the RHN for this system it is showing 
12 erratas and 5 packages.

The 12 erratas relate to kernel issues,bug fix,security.

Do I need to apply these 12 erratas on my system?

Regards,

Danesh..

Hello,

to apply all the errata or not , depends on your environment (But I
recommend you do, IF it will not effect any of th running services
compatibility)

and I Recommend not to upgrade kernel (make package exclude for kernel
packages) as this may have impact on some drivers on your drivers - like
RAID drivers-

Good Luck

Keep me posted if you needed anything

Regards
Samer

On 1/16/07, d.qureshi at mdx.ac.uk <d.qureshi at mdx.ac.uk> wrote:
>
> Hi,
>
> I have gone to the RHN web page and selected one system then clicked on
> manage.I can see
> that there are 387 erratas and 286 packges listed for this system.
>
> Do I need to apply all 387 erratas listed to my system?
>
> Also do I need to apply all 286 packages listed to my system?
>
> Also if run the up2date command will it apply all 387 erratas to my
> system?
>
> Thanks
>
>
> Hello,
>
> from Shell you can
> 1) yum update
>
> >From GUI/X-Windows
> 1) you can run from shell up2date
> 2) System Tools Menu --> Redhat Network (it is the same as if you launch
> up2date)
>
> Good Luck
>
> Kind Regards
> Samer Azmy
>
>
> On 1/15/07, Mark Watts <m.watts at eris.qinetiq.com> wrote:
> >
> >
> > > Hello,
> > >
> > > I am currently running the following operating system on HP Proliant
> > DL380
> > > G3 servers:-
> > >
> > > Red Hat Enterprise Linux As 3 (Taroon)
> > >
> > > How do I apply patches to this server and what is the latest taroon
> > update
> > > on RHEL AS 3?
> > >
> > > I do have a RHN account.
> >
> > Login to RHN, select your system and click the "update now" link, then
> > "confirm" to schedule the updates to be applied next time your system
> > checks
> > in.
> >
> > Or run "rhn_check" from a root console to force a check in.
> >
> > Mark.
> >
> > --
> > Mark Watts BSc RHCE MBCS
> > Senior Systems Engineer
> > QinetiQ Trusted Information Management
> > Trusted Solutions and Services Group
> > GPG Public Key ID: 455420ED
> >
> >
> >
> > _______________________________________________
> > rhn-users mailing list
> > rhn-users at redhat.com
> > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/rhn-users
> >
> >
> >
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> GUI/X-Windows<br>1) you can run from shell up2date<br>2) System Tools Menu
> --&gt; Redhat Network (it is the same as if you launch up2date)<br><br>Good
> Luck<br>
> <br>Kind Regards<br>Samer Azmy<br><br><br><div><span
> class="gmail_quote">On 1/15/07, <b class="gmail_sendername">Mark Watts</b>
> &lt;<a href="mailto:m.watts at eris.qinetiq.com">m.watts at eris.qinetiq.com</a>&gt;
> wrote:</span><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="border-left: 1px solid
> rgb(204, 204, 204); margin: 0pt 0pt 0pt 0.8ex; padding-left: 1ex;">
> <br>&gt; Hello,<br>&gt;<br>&gt; I am currently running the following
> operating system on HP Proliant DL380<br>&gt; G3 servers:-<br>&gt;<br>&gt;
> Red Hat Enterprise Linux As 3 (Taroon)<br>&gt;<br>&gt; How do I apply
> patches to this server and what is the latest taroon update
> <br>&gt; on RHEL AS 3?<br>&gt;<br>&gt; I do have a RHN
> account.<br><br>Login to RHN, select your system and click the &quot;update
> now&quot; link, then<br>&quot;confirm&quot; to schedule the updates to be
> applied next time your system checks
> <br>in.<br><br>Or run &quot;rhn_check&quot; from a root console to force a
> check in.<br><br>Mark.<br><br>--<br>Mark Watts BSc RHCE MBCS<br>Senior
> Systems Engineer<br>QinetiQ Trusted Information Management<br>Trusted
> Solutions and Services Group
> <br>GPG Public Key ID:
> 455420ED<br><br><br><br>_______________________________________________<br>rhn-users
> mailing list<br><a href="mailto:rhn-users at redhat.com">rhn-users at redhat.com</a><br><a
> href="https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/rhn-users">
> https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/rhn-users
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Hello,<br><br>to apply all the errata or not , depends on your environment (But I recommend you do, IF it will not effect any of th running services compatibility)<br><br>and I Recommend not to upgrade kernel (make package exclude for kernel packages) as this may have impact on some drivers on your drivers - like RAID drivers-
<br><br>Good Luck<br><br>Keep me posted if you needed anything <br><br>Regards<br>Samer<br><br><div><span class="gmail_quote">On 1/16/07, <b class="gmail_sendername"><a href="mailto:d.qureshi at mdx.ac.uk">d.qureshi at mdx.ac.uk
</a></b> &lt;<a href="mailto:d.qureshi at mdx.ac.uk">d.qureshi at mdx.ac.uk</a>&gt; wrote:</span><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="border-left: 1px solid rgb(204, 204, 204); margin: 0pt 0pt 0pt 0.8ex; padding-left: 1ex;">Hi,
<br><br>I have gone to the RHN web page and selected one system then clicked on manage.I can see<br>that there are 387 erratas and 286 packges listed for this system.<br><br>Do I need to apply all 387 erratas listed to my system?
<br><br>Also do I need to apply all 286 packages listed to my system?<br><br>Also if run the up2date command will it apply all 387 erratas to my system?<br><br>Thanks<br><br><br>Hello,<br><br>from Shell you can<br>1) yum update
<br><br>&gt;From GUI/X-Windows<br>1) you can run from shell up2date<br>2) System Tools Menu --&gt; Redhat Network (it is the same as if you launch<br>up2date)<br><br>Good Luck<br><br>Kind Regards<br>Samer Azmy<br><br><br>
On 1/15/07, Mark Watts &lt;<a href="mailto:m.watts at eris.qinetiq.com">m.watts at eris.qinetiq.com</a>&gt; wrote:<br>&gt;<br>&gt;<br>&gt; &gt; Hello,<br>&gt; &gt;<br>&gt; &gt; I am currently running the following operating system on HP Proliant
<br>&gt; DL380<br>&gt; &gt; G3 servers:-<br>&gt; &gt;<br>&gt; &gt; Red Hat Enterprise Linux As 3 (Taroon)<br>&gt; &gt;<br>&gt; &gt; How do I apply patches to this server and what is the latest taroon<br>&gt; update<br>&gt; &gt; on RHEL AS 3?
<br>&gt; &gt;<br>&gt; &gt; I do have a RHN account.<br>&gt;<br>&gt; Login to RHN, select your system and click the &quot;update now&quot; link, then<br>&gt; &quot;confirm&quot; to schedule the updates to be applied next time your system
<br>&gt; checks<br>&gt; in.<br>&gt;<br>&gt; Or run &quot;rhn_check&quot; from a root console to force a check in.<br>&gt;<br>&gt; Mark.<br>&gt;<br>&gt; --<br>&gt; Mark Watts BSc RHCE MBCS<br>&gt; Senior Systems Engineer<br>
&gt; QinetiQ Trusted Information Management<br>&gt; Trusted Solutions and Services Group<br>&gt; GPG Public Key ID: 455420ED<br>&gt;<br>&gt;<br>&gt;<br>&gt; _______________________________________________<br>&gt; rhn-users mailing list
<br>&gt; <a href="mailto:rhn-users at redhat.com">rhn-users at redhat.com</a><br>&gt; <a href="https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/rhn-users">https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/rhn-users</a><br>&gt;<br>&gt;<br>&gt;<br>
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<br>&lt;br&gt;Kind Regards&lt;br&gt;Samer Azmy&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;&lt;div&gt;&lt;span class=&quot;gmail_quote&quot;&gt;On 1/15/07, &lt;b class=&quot;gmail_sendername&quot;&gt;Mark Watts&lt;/b&gt; &amp;lt;&lt;a href=&quot;mailto:
<a href="mailto:m.watts at eris.qinetiq.com">m.watts at eris.qinetiq.com</a>&quot;&gt;<a href="mailto:m.watts at eris.qinetiq.com">m.watts at eris.qinetiq.com</a>&lt;/a&gt;&amp;gt; wrote:&lt;/span&gt;&lt;blockquote class=&quot;gmail_quote&quot; style=&quot;border-left: 1px solid rgb(204, 204, 204); margin: 0pt 0pt 0pt 
0.8ex; padding-left: 1ex;&quot;&gt;<br>&lt;br&gt;&amp;gt; Hello,&lt;br&gt;&amp;gt;&lt;br&gt;&amp;gt; I am currently running the following operating system on HP Proliant DL380&lt;br&gt;&amp;gt; G3 servers:-&lt;br&gt;&amp;gt;&lt;br&gt;&amp;gt; Red Hat Enterprise Linux As 3 (Taroon)&lt;br&gt;&amp;gt;&lt;br&gt;&amp;gt; How do I apply patches to this server and what is the latest taroon update
<br>&lt;br&gt;&amp;gt; on RHEL AS 3?&lt;br&gt;&amp;gt;&lt;br&gt;&amp;gt; I do have a RHN account.&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;Login to RHN, select your system and click the &amp;quot;update now&amp;quot; link, then&lt;br&gt;&amp;quot;confirm&amp;quot; to schedule the updates to be applied next time your system checks
<br>&lt;br&gt;in.&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;Or run &amp;quot;rhn_check&amp;quot; from a root console to force a check in.&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;Mark.&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;--&lt;br&gt;Mark Watts BSc RHCE MBCS&lt;br&gt;Senior Systems Engineer&lt;br&gt;QinetiQ Trusted Information Management&lt;br&gt;Trusted Solutions and Services Group
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From samer.azmy at gmail.com  Tue Jan 16 18:08:51 2007
From: samer.azmy at gmail.com (Samer Azmy)
Date: Tue, 16 Jan 2007 20:08:51 +0200
Subject: [rhn-users] How to apply patches
In-Reply-To: <01MC079FGY5E8YEF96@cluster.mdx.ac.uk>
References: <01MC079FGY5E8YEF96@cluster.mdx.ac.uk>
Message-ID: <b8332cb80701161008o1b832300od4fc8183504477b5@mail.gmail.com>

Hello Danesh,

Happy to hear that you are done with the updates

About Kenel updates :
1) Check if this kernel update will effect any of your loaded/running system
driver (specially from my point of View RAID/SCSI)
2) IF it will not effect your driver , go for it
3) if you are not sure, do not go for it

Do you have a firewall , what are the services that are running ? - that may
help you to decide if you will go for the kernel updates

I do not recommend Kernel Updates ! - But ....

Good luck, and keep me posted if you needed anything

Regards
Samer Azmy

On 1/16/07, d.qureshi at mdx.ac.uk <d.qureshi at mdx.ac.uk> wrote:
>
> Hi Samer,
>
> This what I did to update all the erratas and packages on my system.
>
> I first ran up2date up2date to update the agent.
>
> I then ran up2date -u &
>
> The update took about 35 minutes to complete. I then rebooted the system.
>
> Now the system is show thats it running on RHEL AS 3 Taroon Update 8. The
> system was previously
> running on RHEL AS 3 Update 4.
>
> Also runnng the up2date did not change the kernel version at all. I am
> happy the system is updated now.
>
> Just one more thing can you advise me on this when I check the RHN for
> this system it is showing
> 12 erratas and 5 packages.
>
> The 12 erratas relate to kernel issues,bug fix,security.
>
> Do I need to apply these 12 erratas on my system?
>
> Regards,
>
> Danesh..
>
> Hello,
>
> to apply all the errata or not , depends on your environment (But I
> recommend you do, IF it will not effect any of th running services
> compatibility)
>
> and I Recommend not to upgrade kernel (make package exclude for kernel
> packages) as this may have impact on some drivers on your drivers - like
> RAID drivers-
>
> Good Luck
>
> Keep me posted if you needed anything
>
> Regards
> Samer
>
> On 1/16/07, d.qureshi at mdx.ac.uk <d.qureshi at mdx.ac.uk> wrote:
> >
> > Hi,
> >
> > I have gone to the RHN web page and selected one system then clicked on
> > manage.I can see
> > that there are 387 erratas and 286 packges listed for this system.
> >
> > Do I need to apply all 387 erratas listed to my system?
> >
> > Also do I need to apply all 286 packages listed to my system?
> >
> > Also if run the up2date command will it apply all 387 erratas to my
> > system?
> >
> > Thanks
> >
> >
> > Hello,
> >
> > from Shell you can
> > 1) yum update
> >
> > >From GUI/X-Windows
> > 1) you can run from shell up2date
> > 2) System Tools Menu --> Redhat Network (it is the same as if you launch
> > up2date)
> >
> > Good Luck
> >
> > Kind Regards
> > Samer Azmy
> >
> >
> > On 1/15/07, Mark Watts <m.watts at eris.qinetiq.com> wrote:
> > >
> > >
> > > > Hello,
> > > >
> > > > I am currently running the following operating system on HP Proliant
> > > DL380
> > > > G3 servers:-
> > > >
> > > > Red Hat Enterprise Linux As 3 (Taroon)
> > > >
> > > > How do I apply patches to this server and what is the latest taroon
> > > update
> > > > on RHEL AS 3?
> > > >
> > > > I do have a RHN account.
> > >
> > > Login to RHN, select your system and click the "update now" link, then
> > > "confirm" to schedule the updates to be applied next time your system
> > > checks
> > > in.
> > >
> > > Or run "rhn_check" from a root console to force a check in.
> > >
> > > Mark.
> > >
> > > --
> > > Mark Watts BSc RHCE MBCS
> > > Senior Systems Engineer
> > > QinetiQ Trusted Information Management
> > > Trusted Solutions and Services Group
> > > GPG Public Key ID: 455420ED
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > _______________________________________________
> > > rhn-users mailing list
> > > rhn-users at redhat.com
> > > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/rhn-users
> > >
> > >
> > >
> >
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> >
> > Hello,<br><br>from Shell you can <br>1) yum update<br><br>From
> > GUI/X-Windows<br>1) you can run from shell up2date<br>2) System Tools
> Menu
> > --&gt; Redhat Network (it is the same as if you launch
> up2date)<br><br>Good
> > Luck<br>
> > <br>Kind Regards<br>Samer Azmy<br><br><br><div><span
> > class="gmail_quote">On 1/15/07, <b class="gmail_sendername">Mark
> Watts</b>
> > &lt;<a href="mailto:m.watts at eris.qinetiq.com">m.watts at eris.qinetiq.com
> </a>&gt;
> > wrote:</span><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="border-left: 1px
> solid
> > rgb(204, 204, 204); margin: 0pt 0pt 0pt 0.8ex; padding-left: 1ex;">
> > <br>&gt; Hello,<br>&gt;<br>&gt; I am currently running the following
> > operating system on HP Proliant DL380<br>&gt; G3
> servers:-<br>&gt;<br>&gt;
> > Red Hat Enterprise Linux As 3 (Taroon)<br>&gt;<br>&gt; How do I apply
> > patches to this server and what is the latest taroon update
> > <br>&gt; on RHEL AS 3?<br>&gt;<br>&gt; I do have a RHN
> > account.<br><br>Login to RHN, select your system and click the
> &quot;update
> > now&quot; link, then<br>&quot;confirm&quot; to schedule the updates to
> be
> > applied next time your system checks
> > <br>in.<br><br>Or run &quot;rhn_check&quot; from a root console to force
> a
> > check in.<br><br>Mark.<br><br>--<br>Mark Watts BSc RHCE MBCS<br>Senior
> > Systems Engineer<br>QinetiQ Trusted Information Management<br>Trusted
> > Solutions and Services Group
> > <br>GPG Public Key ID:
> >
> 455420ED<br><br><br><br>_______________________________________________<br>rhn-users
> > mailing list<br><a href="mailto:rhn-users at redhat.com">
> rhn-users at redhat.com</a><br><a
> > href="https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/rhn-users">
> > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/rhn-users
> > </a><br><br><br></blockquote></div><br>
> >
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> > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/rhn-users
> >
> > --Boundary_(ID_fgXHKA0tW5fSOIYfoKx7PA)--
> >
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> > rhn-users at redhat.com
> > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/rhn-users
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>
> Hello,<br><br>to apply all the errata or not , depends on your environment
> (But I recommend you do, IF it will not effect any of th running services
> compatibility)<br><br>and I Recommend not to upgrade kernel (make package
> exclude for kernel packages) as this may have impact on some drivers on your
> drivers - like RAID drivers-
> <br><br>Good Luck<br><br>Keep me posted if you needed anything
> <br><br>Regards<br>Samer<br><br><div><span class="gmail_quote">On 1/16/07,
> <b class="gmail_sendername"><a href="mailto:d.qureshi at mdx.ac.uk">
> d.qureshi at mdx.ac.uk
> </a></b> &lt;<a href="mailto:d.qureshi at mdx.ac.uk">d.qureshi at mdx.ac.uk</a>&gt;
> wrote:</span><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="border-left: 1px solid
> rgb(204, 204, 204); margin: 0pt 0pt 0pt 0.8ex; padding-left: 1ex;">Hi,
> <br><br>I have gone to the RHN web page and selected one system then
> clicked on manage.I can see<br>that there are 387 erratas and 286 packges
> listed for this system.<br><br>Do I need to apply all 387 erratas listed to
> my system?
> <br><br>Also do I need to apply all 286 packages listed to my
> system?<br><br>Also if run the up2date command will it apply all 387 erratas
> to my system?<br><br>Thanks<br><br><br>Hello,<br><br>from Shell you
> can<br>1) yum update
> <br><br>&gt;From GUI/X-Windows<br>1) you can run from shell up2date<br>2)
> System Tools Menu --&gt; Redhat Network (it is the same as if you
> launch<br>up2date)<br><br>Good Luck<br><br>Kind Regards<br>Samer
> Azmy<br><br><br>
> On 1/15/07, Mark Watts &lt;<a href="mailto:m.watts at eris.qinetiq.com">
> m.watts at eris.qinetiq.com</a>&gt; wrote:<br>&gt;<br>&gt;<br>&gt; &gt;
> Hello,<br>&gt; &gt;<br>&gt; &gt; I am currently running the following
> operating system on HP Proliant
> <br>&gt; DL380<br>&gt; &gt; G3 servers:-<br>&gt; &gt;<br>&gt; &gt; Red Hat
> Enterprise Linux As 3 (Taroon)<br>&gt; &gt;<br>&gt; &gt; How do I apply
> patches to this server and what is the latest taroon<br>&gt; update<br>&gt;
> &gt; on RHEL AS 3?
> <br>&gt; &gt;<br>&gt; &gt; I do have a RHN account.<br>&gt;<br>&gt; Login
> to RHN, select your system and click the &quot;update now&quot; link,
> then<br>&gt; &quot;confirm&quot; to schedule the updates to be applied next
> time your system
> <br>&gt; checks<br>&gt; in.<br>&gt;<br>&gt; Or run &quot;rhn_check&quot;
> from a root console to force a check in.<br>&gt;<br>&gt;
> Mark.<br>&gt;<br>&gt; --<br>&gt; Mark Watts BSc RHCE MBCS<br>&gt; Senior
> Systems Engineer<br>
> &gt; QinetiQ Trusted Information Management<br>&gt; Trusted Solutions and
> Services Group<br>&gt; GPG Public Key ID:
> 455420ED<br>&gt;<br>&gt;<br>&gt;<br>&gt;
> _______________________________________________<br>&gt; rhn-users mailing
> list
> <br>&gt; <a href="mailto:rhn-users at redhat.com">rhn-users at redhat.com</a><br>&gt;
> <a href="https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/rhn-users">
> https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/rhn-users
> </a><br>&gt;<br>&gt;<br>&gt;<br>
> <br>--Boundary_(ID_t33rrPu0Cvv/vJ21QZ48QQ)<br>Content-type: text/html;
> charset=ISO-8859-1<br>Content-transfer-encoding:
> 7BIT<br>Content-disposition: inline<br><br>Hello,&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;from
> Shell you can &lt;br&gt;1) yum update&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;From
> GUI/X-Windows&lt;br&gt;1) you can run from shell up2date&lt;br&gt;2) System
> Tools Menu --&amp;gt; Redhat Network (it is the same as if you launch
> up2date)&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;Good Luck&lt;br&gt;
> <br>&lt;br&gt;Kind Regards&lt;br&gt;Samer
> Azmy&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;&lt;div&gt;&lt;span
> class=&quot;gmail_quote&quot;&gt;On 1/15/07, &lt;b
> class=&quot;gmail_sendername&quot;&gt;Mark Watts&lt;/b&gt; &amp;lt;&lt;a
> href=&quot;mailto:
> <a href="mailto:m.watts at eris.qinetiq.com">m.watts at eris.qinetiq.com</a>&quot;&gt;<a
> href="mailto:m.watts at eris.qinetiq.com">m.watts at eris.qinetiq.com</a>&lt;/a&gt;&amp;gt;
> wrote:&lt;/span&gt;&lt;blockquote class=&quot;gmail_quote&quot;
> style=&quot;border-left: 1px solid rgb(204, 204, 204); margin: 0pt 0pt 0pt
> 0.8ex; padding-left: 1ex;&quot;&gt;<br>&lt;br&gt;&amp;gt;
> Hello,&lt;br&gt;&amp;gt;&lt;br&gt;&amp;gt; I am currently running the
> following operating system on HP Proliant DL380&lt;br&gt;&amp;gt; G3
> servers:-&lt;br&gt;&amp;gt;&lt;br&gt;&amp;gt; Red Hat Enterprise Linux As 3
> (Taroon)&lt;br&gt;&amp;gt;&lt;br&gt;&amp;gt; How do I apply patches to this
> server and what is the latest taroon update
> <br>&lt;br&gt;&amp;gt; on RHEL AS 3?&lt;br&gt;&amp;gt;&lt;br&gt;&amp;gt; I
> do have a RHN account.&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;Login to RHN, select your system
> and click the &amp;quot;update now&amp;quot; link,
> then&lt;br&gt;&amp;quot;confirm&amp;quot; to schedule the updates to be
> applied next time your system checks
> <br>&lt;br&gt;in.&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;Or run &amp;quot;rhn_check&amp;quot;
> from a root console to force a check
> in.&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;Mark.&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;--&lt;br&gt;Mark Watts BSc
> RHCE MBCS&lt;br&gt;Senior Systems Engineer&lt;br&gt;QinetiQ Trusted
> Information Management&lt;br&gt;Trusted Solutions and Services Group
> <br>&lt;br&gt;GPG Public Key ID:
> 455420ED&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;_______________________________________________&lt;br&gt;rhn-users
> mailing list&lt;br&gt;&lt;a href=&quot;mailto:<a href="mailto:
> rhn-users at redhat.com">
> rhn-users at redhat.com</a>&quot;&gt;<a href="mailto:rhn-users at redhat.com">
> rhn-users at redhat.com</a>&lt;/a&gt;&lt;br&gt;&lt;a href=&quot;<a href="
> https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/rhn-users">
> https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/rhn-users
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From dpthakar at hotmail.com  Wed Jan 17 06:02:48 2007
From: dpthakar at hotmail.com (dhaval thakar)
Date: Wed, 17 Jan 2007 06:02:48 +0000
Subject: [rhn-users] Restiricting non dhcp ips
Message-ID: <BAY114-F7FC4DE4CC2ED3D14FF2CDDEAB0@phx.gbl>

Dear All,

I am using fedora core 6 to lease ip to the users, same box is used for 
proxy & firewall.
Some smart users change their ips & get access to the users group who has 
full internet access.

Is there any utility by which I can block non leased IPs from the gateway, 
as a result user will not be able to access internet & samba from the same 
linux box.


Thanks & Regards
Dhaval

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From joerg.von.frantzius at artnology.com  Wed Jan 17 11:11:47 2007
From: joerg.von.frantzius at artnology.com (Joerg von Frantzius)
Date: Wed, 17 Jan 2007 12:11:47 +0100
Subject: [rhn-users] JBOSS probe for monitoring?
Message-ID: <eol06i$fn1$1@sea.gmane.org>

Hello,

there seems to already exist a monitoring probe for BEA Weblogic 
application servers that comes with RedHat Network. My question is 
whether something like that will be available or is already available 
for JBOSS application servers?

Given RedHat's acquisition of JBOSS and their promoted "Simplified 
Stack", it seems logic to me that RedHat would provide such a monitoring 
probe.

Thanks for any hints,
J?rg



From d.qureshi at mdx.ac.uk  Wed Jan 17 11:57:31 2007
From: d.qureshi at mdx.ac.uk (d.qureshi at mdx.ac.uk)
Date: Wed, 17 Jan 2007 11:57:31 +0000 (GMT)
Subject: [rhn-users] How to apply patches
Message-ID: <01MC19RBFN828WWZ9N@cluster.mdx.ac.uk>

Hello Samer,

For now I won't apply any of these kernel updates because I am not
absolutely sure yet what impact they will have. Perhaps later when 
I have liaised with the database administrators about the Oracle
applications which are currently not running since I rebooted the system
yesterday after the I ran up2date.

The iptables firewall is running on this system because when type:-
# service iptables status 

I can see iptables firewalls rules being displayed. 
Yes firewall is running on this system.

Having a firewall running will it create a problems if I installed
these kernel updates?

Do you know much iptables and how to configure rules to accept and
reject protocols,etc?

Danesh


>Hello Danesh,
>
>Happy to hear that you are done with the updates
>
>About Kenel updates :
>1) Check if this kernel update will effect any of your loaded/running system
>driver (specially from my point of View RAID/SCSI)
>2) IF it will not effect your driver , go for it
>3) if you are not sure, do not go for it
>
>Do you have a firewall , what are the services that are running ? - that may
>help you to decide if you will go for the kernel updates
>
>I do not recommend Kernel Updates ! - But ....
>
>Good luck, and keep me posted if you needed anything
>
>Regards
>Samer Azmy
>
>On 1/16/07, d.qureshi at mdx.ac.uk <d.qureshi at mdx.ac.uk> wrote:
>>
>> Hi Samer,
>>
>> This what I did to update all the erratas and packages on my system.
>>
>> I first ran up2date up2date to update the agent.
>>
>> I then ran up2date -u &
>>
>> The update took about 35 minutes to complete. I then rebooted the system.
>>
>> Now the system is show thats it running on RHEL AS 3 Taroon Update 8. The
>> system was previously
>> running on RHEL AS 3 Update 4.
>>
>> Also runnng the up2date did not change the kernel version at all. I am
>> happy the system is updated now.
>>
>> Just one more thing can you advise me on this when I check the RHN for
>> this system it is showing
>> 12 erratas and 5 packages.
>>
>> The 12 erratas relate to kernel issues,bug fix,security.
>>
>> Do I need to apply these 12 erratas on my system?
>>
>> Regards,
>>
>> Danesh..
>>
>> Hello,
>>
>> to apply all the errata or not , depends on your environment (But I
>> recommend you do, IF it will not effect any of th running services
>> compatibility)
>>
>> and I Recommend not to upgrade kernel (make package exclude for kernel
>> packages) as this may have impact on some drivers on your drivers - like
>> RAID drivers-
>>
>> Good Luck
>>
>> Keep me posted if you needed anything
>>
>> Regards
>> Samer
>>
>> On 1/16/07, d.qureshi at mdx.ac.uk <d.qureshi at mdx.ac.uk> wrote:
>> >
>> > Hi,
>> >
>> > I have gone to the RHN web page and selected one system then clicked on
>> > manage.I can see
>> > that there are 387 erratas and 286 packges listed for this system.
>> >
>> > Do I need to apply all 387 erratas listed to my system?
>> >
>> > Also do I need to apply all 286 packages listed to my system?
>> >
>> > Also if run the up2date command will it apply all 387 erratas to my
>> > system?
>> >
>> > Thanks
>> >
>> >
>> > Hello,
>> >
>> > from Shell you can
>> > 1) yum update
>> >
>> > >From GUI/X-Windows
>> > 1) you can run from shell up2date
>> > 2) System Tools Menu --> Redhat Network (it is the same as if you launch
>> > up2date)
>> >
>> > Good Luck
>> >
>> > Kind Regards
>> > Samer Azmy
>> >
>> >
>> > On 1/15/07, Mark Watts <m.watts at eris.qinetiq.com> wrote:
>> > >
>> > >
>> > > > Hello,
>> > > >
>> > > > I am currently running the following operating system on HP Proliant
>> > > DL380
>> > > > G3 servers:-
>> > > >
>> > > > Red Hat Enterprise Linux As 3 (Taroon)
>> > > >
>> > > > How do I apply patches to this server and what is the latest taroon
>> > > update
>> > > > on RHEL AS 3?
>> > > >
>> > > > I do have a RHN account.
>> > >
>> > > Login to RHN, select your system and click the "update now" link, then
>> > > "confirm" to schedule the updates to be applied next time your system
>> > > checks
>> > > in.
>> > >
>> > > Or run "rhn_check" from a root console to force a check in.
>> > >
>> > > Mark.
>> > >
>> > > --
>> > > Mark Watts BSc RHCE MBCS
>> > > Senior Systems Engineer
>> > > QinetiQ Trusted Information Management
>> > > Trusted Solutions and Services Group
>> > > GPG Public Key ID: 455420ED
>> > >
>> > >
>> > >
>> > > _______________________________________________
>> > > rhn-users mailing list
>> > > rhn-users at redhat.com
>> > > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/rhn-users
>> > >
>> > >
>> > >
>> >
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>> > Content-type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1
>> > Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT
>> > Content-disposition: inline
>> >
>> > Hello,<br><br>from Shell you can <br>1) yum update<br><br>From
>> > GUI/X-Windows<br>1) you can run from shell up2date<br>2) System Tools
>> Menu
>> > --&gt; Redhat Network (it is the same as if you launch
>> up2date)<br><br>Good
>> > Luck<br>
>> > <br>Kind Regards<br>Samer Azmy<br><br><br><div><span
>> > class="gmail_quote">On 1/15/07, <b class="gmail_sendername">Mark
>> Watts</b>
>> > &lt;<a href="mailto:m.watts at eris.qinetiq.com">m.watts at eris.qinetiq.com
>> </a>&gt;
>> > wrote:</span><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="border-left: 1px
>> solid
>> > rgb(204, 204, 204); margin: 0pt 0pt 0pt 0.8ex; padding-left: 1ex;">
>> > <br>&gt; Hello,<br>&gt;<br>&gt; I am currently running the following
>> > operating system on HP Proliant DL380<br>&gt; G3
>> servers:-<br>&gt;<br>&gt;
>> > Red Hat Enterprise Linux As 3 (Taroon)<br>&gt;<br>&gt; How do I apply
>> > patches to this server and what is the latest taroon update
>> > <br>&gt; on RHEL AS 3?<br>&gt;<br>&gt; I do have a RHN
>> > account.<br><br>Login to RHN, select your system and click the
>> &quot;update
>> > now&quot; link, then<br>&quot;confirm&quot; to schedule the updates to
>> be
>> > applied next time your system checks
>> > <br>in.<br><br>Or run &quot;rhn_check&quot; from a root console to force
>> a
>> > check in.<br><br>Mark.<br><br>--<br>Mark Watts BSc RHCE MBCS<br>Senior
>> > Systems Engineer<br>QinetiQ Trusted Information Management<br>Trusted
>> > Solutions and Services Group
>> > <br>GPG Public Key ID:
>> >
>> 455420ED<br><br><br><br>_______________________________________________<br>rhn-users
>> > mailing list<br><a href="mailto:rhn-users at redhat.com">
>> rhn-users at redhat.com</a><br><a
>> > href="https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/rhn-users">
>> > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/rhn-users
>> > </a><br><br><br></blockquote></div><br>
>> >
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>> Hello,<br><br>to apply all the errata or not , depends on your environment
>> (But I recommend you do, IF it will not effect any of th running services
>> compatibility)<br><br>and I Recommend not to upgrade kernel (make package
>> exclude for kernel packages) as this may have impact on some drivers on your
>> drivers - like RAID drivers-
>> <br><br>Good Luck<br><br>Keep me posted if you needed anything
>> <br><br>Regards<br>Samer<br><br><div><span class="gmail_quote">On 1/16/07,
>> <b class="gmail_sendername"><a href="mailto:d.qureshi at mdx.ac.uk">
>> d.qureshi at mdx.ac.uk
>> </a></b> &lt;<a href="mailto:d.qureshi at mdx.ac.uk">d.qureshi at mdx.ac.uk</a>&gt;
>> wrote:</span><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="border-left: 1px solid
>> rgb(204, 204, 204); margin: 0pt 0pt 0pt 0.8ex; padding-left: 1ex;">Hi,
>> <br><br>I have gone to the RHN web page and selected one system then
>> clicked on manage.I can see<br>that there are 387 erratas and 286 packges
>> listed for this system.<br><br>Do I need to apply all 387 erratas listed to
>> my system?
>> <br><br>Also do I need to apply all 286 packages listed to my
>> system?<br><br>Also if run the up2date command will it apply all 387 erratas
>> to my system?<br><br>Thanks<br><br><br>Hello,<br><br>from Shell you
>> can<br>1) yum update
>> <br><br>&gt;From GUI/X-Windows<br>1) you can run from shell up2date<br>2)
>> System Tools Menu --&gt; Redhat Network (it is the same as if you
>> launch<br>up2date)<br><br>Good Luck<br><br>Kind Regards<br>Samer
>> Azmy<br><br><br>
>> On 1/15/07, Mark Watts &lt;<a href="mailto:m.watts at eris.qinetiq.com">
>> m.watts at eris.qinetiq.com</a>&gt; wrote:<br>&gt;<br>&gt;<br>&gt; &gt;
>> Hello,<br>&gt; &gt;<br>&gt; &gt; I am currently running the following
>> operating system on HP Proliant
>> <br>&gt; DL380<br>&gt; &gt; G3 servers:-<br>&gt; &gt;<br>&gt; &gt; Red Hat
>> Enterprise Linux As 3 (Taroon)<br>&gt; &gt;<br>&gt; &gt; How do I apply
>> patches to this server and what is the latest taroon<br>&gt; update<br>&gt;
>> &gt; on RHEL AS 3?
>> <br>&gt; &gt;<br>&gt; &gt; I do have a RHN account.<br>&gt;<br>&gt; Login
>> to RHN, select your system and click the &quot;update now&quot; link,
>> then<br>&gt; &quot;confirm&quot; to schedule the updates to be applied next
>> time your system
>> <br>&gt; checks<br>&gt; in.<br>&gt;<br>&gt; Or run &quot;rhn_check&quot;
>> from a root console to force a check in.<br>&gt;<br>&gt;
>> Mark.<br>&gt;<br>&gt; --<br>&gt; Mark Watts BSc RHCE MBCS<br>&gt; Senior
>> Systems Engineer<br>
>> &gt; QinetiQ Trusted Information Management<br>&gt; Trusted Solutions and
>> Services Group<br>&gt; GPG Public Key ID:
>> 455420ED<br>&gt;<br>&gt;<br>&gt;<br>&gt;
>> _______________________________________________<br>&gt; rhn-users mailing
>> list
>> <br>&gt; <a href="mailto:rhn-users at redhat.com">rhn-users at redhat.com</a><br>&gt;
>> <a href="https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/rhn-users">
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>> charset=ISO-8859-1<br>Content-transfer-encoding:
>> 7BIT<br>Content-disposition: inline<br><br>Hello,&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;from
>> Shell you can &lt;br&gt;1) yum update&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;From
>> GUI/X-Windows&lt;br&gt;1) you can run from shell up2date&lt;br&gt;2) System
>> Tools Menu --&amp;gt; Redhat Network (it is the same as if you launch
>> up2date)&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;Good Luck&lt;br&gt;
>> <br>&lt;br&gt;Kind Regards&lt;br&gt;Samer
>> Azmy&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;&lt;div&gt;&lt;span
>> class=&quot;gmail_quote&quot;&gt;On 1/15/07, &lt;b
>> class=&quot;gmail_sendername&quot;&gt;Mark Watts&lt;/b&gt; &amp;lt;&lt;a
>> href=&quot;mailto:
>> <a href="mailto:m.watts at eris.qinetiq.com">m.watts at eris.qinetiq.com</a>&quot;&gt;<a
>> href="mailto:m.watts at eris.qinetiq.com">m.watts at eris.qinetiq.com</a>&lt;/a&gt;&amp;gt;
>> wrote:&lt;/span&gt;&lt;blockquote class=&quot;gmail_quote&quot;
>> style=&quot;border-left: 1px solid rgb(204, 204, 204); margin: 0pt 0pt 0pt
>> 0.8ex; padding-left: 1ex;&quot;&gt;<br>&lt;br&gt;&amp;gt;
>> Hello,&lt;br&gt;&amp;gt;&lt;br&gt;&amp;gt; I am currently running the
>> following operating system on HP Proliant DL380&lt;br&gt;&amp;gt; G3
>> servers:-&lt;br&gt;&amp;gt;&lt;br&gt;&amp;gt; Red Hat Enterprise Linux As 3
>> (Taroon)&lt;br&gt;&amp;gt;&lt;br&gt;&amp;gt; How do I apply patches to this
>> server and what is the latest taroon update
>> <br>&lt;br&gt;&amp;gt; on RHEL AS 3?&lt;br&gt;&amp;gt;&lt;br&gt;&amp;gt; I
>> do have a RHN account.&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;Login to RHN, select your system
>> and click the &amp;quot;update now&amp;quot; link,
>> then&lt;br&gt;&amp;quot;confirm&amp;quot; to schedule the updates to be
>> applied next time your system checks
>> <br>&lt;br&gt;in.&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;Or run &amp;quot;rhn_check&amp;quot;
>> from a root console to force a check
>> in.&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;Mark.&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;--&lt;br&gt;Mark Watts BSc
>> RHCE MBCS&lt;br&gt;Senior Systems Engineer&lt;br&gt;QinetiQ Trusted
>> Information Management&lt;br&gt;Trusted Solutions and Services Group
>> <br>&lt;br&gt;GPG Public Key ID:
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From hugo.simon at gmx.de  Wed Jan 17 12:57:36 2007
From: hugo.simon at gmx.de (Hugo Simon)
Date: Wed, 17 Jan 2007 13:57:36 +0100
Subject: [rhn-users] NIS or automounter problem
References: <01MC19RBFN828WWZ9N@cluster.mdx.ac.uk>
Message-ID: <002601c73a37$106d4f80$2864a8c0@PC1>

Hi,

I have some problems with Redhat EL machine. It was configured as a NIS
member for over a year, running fine. Since monday I cannot log on to the
machine. Not as root or any other user. Also not directly on the console.
The system accepts user ID and password but the stops responding. No error
message, nothing.

When I reboot the machine I notice that "starting autofs" takes minutes,
which was before a matter of seconds. I don't think that there are critical
directories automounted via NFS or so. But I cannot verify this because I
cannot logon. :-(

I tried starting in single user mode. That works. But then? What can I do?
Maybe disabling the NIS and automounter at first would be a good idea. But
how? I work with Linux seldom, so I need some hints.

Other machines running AIX working with the same NIS environment and even
mounting the same NFS folders are running fine.

Any comment would be helpful.

Thank you
Thorsten



From james.a.sterling at boeing.com  Wed Jan 17 14:05:37 2007
From: james.a.sterling at boeing.com (Sterling, James A)
Date: Wed, 17 Jan 2007 09:05:37 -0500
Subject: [rhn-users] NIS or automounter problem
In-Reply-To: <002601c73a37$106d4f80$2864a8c0@PC1>
Message-ID: <2D40BC237027834D92174FD129DDF71301406E68@XCH-NE-1V1.ne.nos.boeing.com>

In single user just go to /etc and edit fstab to disable the mount
points
Also in /etc/rc.d/init.d you will find autofs link.. You can disable
that 

Hope this helps.

jasiii

	James A. Sterling III
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-----Original Message-----
From: Hugo Simon [mailto:hugo.simon at gmx.de] 
Sent: Wednesday, January 17, 2007 7:58 AM
To: Discussions about Red Hat Network (rhn.redhat.com)
Subject: [rhn-users] NIS or automounter problem

Hi,

I have some problems with Redhat EL machine. It was configured as a NIS
member for over a year, running fine. Since monday I cannot log on to
the machine. Not as root or any other user. Also not directly on the
console.
The system accepts user ID and password but the stops responding. No
error message, nothing.

When I reboot the machine I notice that "starting autofs" takes minutes,
which was before a matter of seconds. I don't think that there are
critical directories automounted via NFS or so. But I cannot verify this
because I cannot logon. :-(

I tried starting in single user mode. That works. But then? What can I
do?
Maybe disabling the NIS and automounter at first would be a good idea.
But how? I work with Linux seldom, so I need some hints.

Other machines running AIX working with the same NIS environment and
even mounting the same NFS folders are running fine.

Any comment would be helpful.

Thank you
Thorsten

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From ajason at motorola.com  Thu Jan 18 06:09:40 2007
From: ajason at motorola.com (E Azariah Jason-G20266)
Date: Thu, 18 Jan 2007 14:09:40 +0800
Subject: [rhn-users] NIS or automounter problem
In-Reply-To: <2D40BC237027834D92174FD129DDF71301406E68@XCH-NE-1V1.ne.nos.boeing.com>
Message-ID: <58FEF525AF1E664D9503ACDEAC926BBC01A23253@ZMY16EXM66.ds.mot.com>

 Hi,
Be at single user mode ( rescue mode) and fire the command called
authconfig , and disable NIS authentication. It will disable the NIS
services (YP) . After this switch over to run level 3 and trouble shoot
the issue.

Thanks
Jason.


-----Original Message-----
From: rhn-users-bounces at redhat.com [mailto:rhn-users-bounces at redhat.com]
On Behalf Of Sterling, James A
Sent: Wednesday, January 17, 2007 7:36 PM
To: Discussions about Red Hat Network (rhn.redhat.com);
hugo.simon at gmx.de
Subject: RE: [rhn-users] NIS or automounter problem

In single user just go to /etc and edit fstab to disable the mount
points Also in /etc/rc.d/init.d you will find autofs link.. You can
disable that 

Hope this helps.

jasiii

	James A. Sterling III
	<Beware of programmers who carry screwdrivers>
	Integrated Labs                     
	610-591-6450 Voice
	610-591-3456 Fax
	610-319-1518 Pager
   pager email 6103191518 at arch.net

-----Original Message-----
From: Hugo Simon [mailto:hugo.simon at gmx.de]
Sent: Wednesday, January 17, 2007 7:58 AM
To: Discussions about Red Hat Network (rhn.redhat.com)
Subject: [rhn-users] NIS or automounter problem

Hi,

I have some problems with Redhat EL machine. It was configured as a NIS
member for over a year, running fine. Since monday I cannot log on to
the machine. Not as root or any other user. Also not directly on the
console.
The system accepts user ID and password but the stops responding. No
error message, nothing.

When I reboot the machine I notice that "starting autofs" takes minutes,
which was before a matter of seconds. I don't think that there are
critical directories automounted via NFS or so. But I cannot verify this
because I cannot logon. :-(

I tried starting in single user mode. That works. But then? What can I
do?
Maybe disabling the NIS and automounter at first would be a good idea.
But how? I work with Linux seldom, so I need some hints.

Other machines running AIX working with the same NIS environment and
even mounting the same NFS folders are running fine.

Any comment would be helpful.

Thank you
Thorsten

_______________________________________________
rhn-users mailing list
rhn-users at redhat.com
https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/rhn-users

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From jackc at imageintegration.com  Fri Jan 19 05:50:38 2007
From: jackc at imageintegration.com (jack craig)
Date: Thu, 18 Jan 2007 21:50:38 -0800
Subject: [rhn-users] anyone using viewsonic VP233wb ??
Message-ID: <45B05C2E.7080106@imageintegration.com>

if you have this configured and working, i am keen to hear of your details.

i have a nvidia card running at 1400x1050 but that is the best i can get 
so far...

curious to know if anyone has done better?

tia, jackc...

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From per.lindahl at bea.com  Fri Jan 19 09:14:38 2007
From: per.lindahl at bea.com (Per Lindahl)
Date: Fri, 19 Jan 2007 10:14:38 +0100
Subject: [rhn-users] anyone using viewsonic VP233wb ??
In-Reply-To: <45B05C2E.7080106@imageintegration.com>
References: <45B05C2E.7080106@imageintegration.com>
Message-ID: <1169198078.15427.10.camel@cartman>

Depending on what version you've got on your Nvidia card, the card could
be the reason for your issues.

I had a Geforce 5600 and could not get the correct resolution on my
(smaller) screen. The Native resolution of my Samsung 205bw is 1680x1050
and I had upgrade to a Nvidia Gforce 6200 in order to get it to work.

-Per
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From jackc at imageintegration.com  Sat Jan 20 03:31:23 2007
From: jackc at imageintegration.com (jack craig)
Date: Fri, 19 Jan 2007 19:31:23 -0800
Subject: [rhn-users] anyone using viewsonic VP233wb ??
In-Reply-To: <1169198078.15427.10.camel@cartman>
References: <45B05C2E.7080106@imageintegration.com>
	<1169198078.15427.10.camel@cartman>
Message-ID: <45B18D0B.8000002@imageintegration.com>

hi per,

thx for your reply. i expect i have to upgrade card too, but want to be 
sure before i fork over the cash.
i have the knoppix cd that i want to stroke the card with to see if i 
can goose it up,
but i dont hold much hope.

might  ask the favor of you sending me your /etc/X11//XF86Config file?

thx again, jackc...

Per Lindahl wrote:
> Depending on what version you've got on your Nvidia card, the card 
> could be the reason for your issues.
>
> I had a Geforce 5600 and could not get the correct resolution on my 
> (smaller) screen. The Native resolution of my Samsung 205bw is 
> 1680x1050 and I had upgrade to a Nvidia Gforce 6200 in order to get it 
> to work.
>
> -Per
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From rcorujo at yahoo.com  Mon Jan 22 22:04:49 2007
From: rcorujo at yahoo.com (Rigoberto Corujo)
Date: Mon, 22 Jan 2007 14:04:49 -0800 (PST)
Subject: [rhn-users] Question on memory usage
Message-ID: <20070122220449.17445.qmail@web60821.mail.yahoo.com>

Hello,

I have two machines which have the same amount of
total memory.  When the machines are booted, the
amount of free memory is the same as shown by
"/proc/meminfo".  After a period of time, the amount
of free memory differs betweem the two machines even
though, at the time I'm taking a reading of
"/proc/meminfo", both machines are not running
anything other than the same minimal set of processes.
 That is, no user apps.  Just the bare bones system
processes.

Here's an example of two machines, n5 and n11, and
their "/proc/meminfo" values.  Can someone explain why
this situation would occur and is there any why to
tell Linux to reclaim any memory that's not actually
being used?

[root at n5 ~]# cat /proc/meminfo
MemTotal:      4037388 kB
MemFree:       3814020 kB
Buffers:         24868 kB
Cached:          61404 kB
SwapCached:      60064 kB
Active:          34188 kB
Inactive:       119224 kB
HighTotal:           0 kB
HighFree:            0 kB
LowTotal:      4037388 kB
LowFree:       3814020 kB
SwapTotal:     6289408 kB
SwapFree:      6228780 kB
Dirty:               0 kB
Writeback:           0 kB
Mapped:          24776 kB
Slab:            37776 kB
Committed_AS:    50692 kB
PageTables:       1232 kB
VmallocTotal: 536870911 kB
VmallocUsed:     15788 kB
VmallocChunk: 536855115 kB
HugePages_Total:     0
HugePages_Free:      0
Hugepagesize:     2048 kB


[root at n11 ~]# cat /proc/meminfo
MemTotal:      4037388 kB
MemFree:       2521308 kB
Buffers:         17676 kB
Cached:          27108 kB
SwapCached:    1392056 kB
Active:          39660 kB
Inactive:      1403784 kB
HighTotal:           0 kB
HighFree:            0 kB
LowTotal:      4037388 kB
LowFree:       2521308 kB
SwapTotal:     6289408 kB
SwapFree:      4896448 kB
Dirty:               0 kB
Writeback:           0 kB
Mapped:          24324 kB
Slab:            40444 kB
Committed_AS:    50832 kB
PageTables:       1232 kB
VmallocTotal: 536870911 kB
VmallocUsed:     15788 kB
VmallocChunk: 536855115 kB
HugePages_Total:     0
HugePages_Free:      0
Hugepagesize:     2048 kB

Thank you.

Rigoberto


 
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From Frank_LaMon at csx.com  Mon Jan 22 22:12:36 2007
From: Frank_LaMon at csx.com (Lamon, Frank III)
Date: Mon, 22 Jan 2007 17:12:36 -0500
Subject: [rhn-users] Question on memory usage
In-Reply-To: <20070122220449.17445.qmail@web60821.mail.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <5485CD8F71979F4093B2EA34A613FACA175C2B81@TJAX2735EXCH.csxt.ad.csx.com>

Something doesn't jive here - n11 has done some swapping and the OS "not running
anything other than the same minimal set of processes" would not swap with 4GB of physical memory. Something is requiring memory here and maybe the swappiness setting has been modified, the OS just sitting there won't swap.

-----Original Message-----
From: rhn-users-bounces at redhat.com
[mailto:rhn-users-bounces at redhat.com]On Behalf Of Rigoberto Corujo
Sent: Monday, January 22, 2007 5:05 PM
To: rhn-users at redhat.com
Subject: [rhn-users] Question on memory usage


Hello,

I have two machines which have the same amount of
total memory.  When the machines are booted, the
amount of free memory is the same as shown by
"/proc/meminfo".  After a period of time, the amount
of free memory differs betweem the two machines even
though, at the time I'm taking a reading of
"/proc/meminfo", both machines are not running
anything other than the same minimal set of processes.
 That is, no user apps.  Just the bare bones system
processes.

Here's an example of two machines, n5 and n11, and
their "/proc/meminfo" values.  Can someone explain why
this situation would occur and is there any why to
tell Linux to reclaim any memory that's not actually
being used?

[root at n5 ~]# cat /proc/meminfo
MemTotal:      4037388 kB
MemFree:       3814020 kB
Buffers:         24868 kB
Cached:          61404 kB
SwapCached:      60064 kB
Active:          34188 kB
Inactive:       119224 kB
HighTotal:           0 kB
HighFree:            0 kB
LowTotal:      4037388 kB
LowFree:       3814020 kB
SwapTotal:     6289408 kB
SwapFree:      6228780 kB
Dirty:               0 kB
Writeback:           0 kB
Mapped:          24776 kB
Slab:            37776 kB
Committed_AS:    50692 kB
PageTables:       1232 kB
VmallocTotal: 536870911 kB
VmallocUsed:     15788 kB
VmallocChunk: 536855115 kB
HugePages_Total:     0
HugePages_Free:      0
Hugepagesize:     2048 kB


[root at n11 ~]# cat /proc/meminfo
MemTotal:      4037388 kB
MemFree:       2521308 kB
Buffers:         17676 kB
Cached:          27108 kB
SwapCached:    1392056 kB
Active:          39660 kB
Inactive:      1403784 kB
HighTotal:           0 kB
HighFree:            0 kB
LowTotal:      4037388 kB
LowFree:       2521308 kB
SwapTotal:     6289408 kB
SwapFree:      4896448 kB
Dirty:               0 kB
Writeback:           0 kB
Mapped:          24324 kB
Slab:            40444 kB
Committed_AS:    50832 kB
PageTables:       1232 kB
VmallocTotal: 536870911 kB
VmallocUsed:     15788 kB
VmallocChunk: 536855115 kB
HugePages_Total:     0
HugePages_Free:      0
Hugepagesize:     2048 kB

Thank you.

Rigoberto


 
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From Steven.Jones at vuw.ac.nz  Mon Jan 22 22:27:10 2007
From: Steven.Jones at vuw.ac.nz (Steven Jones)
Date: Tue, 23 Jan 2007 11:27:10 +1300
Subject: [rhn-users] colours in xterm
Message-ID: <75CF552F30ECFA439D9B3008906F2A370128310D@STAWINCOMAILCL1.staff.vuw.ac.nz>

Hi,

How do I stop the shell colouring by type in RH please? It is so
annoying....

regards

Steven Jones
Senior  Linux/Unix/San System Administrator
APG -Technology Integration Team
Victoria University of Wellington
Phone: +64 4 463 6272 Mobile: +64 27 563 6272 




From Frank_LaMon at csx.com  Mon Jan 22 22:35:41 2007
From: Frank_LaMon at csx.com (Lamon, Frank III)
Date: Mon, 22 Jan 2007 17:35:41 -0500
Subject: [rhn-users] colours in xterm
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Look at /etc/DIR_COLORS & /etc/DIR_COLORS.xterm

-----Original Message-----
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Subject: [rhn-users] colours in xterm


Hi,

How do I stop the shell colouring by type in RH please? It is so
annoying....

regards

Steven Jones
Senior  Linux/Unix/San System Administrator
APG -Technology Integration Team
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From inode0 at gmail.com  Mon Jan 22 22:37:31 2007
From: inode0 at gmail.com (inode0)
Date: Mon, 22 Jan 2007 16:37:31 -0600
Subject: [rhn-users] colours in xterm
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On 1/22/07, Steven Jones <Steven.Jones at vuw.ac.nz> wrote:
> Hi,
>
> How do I stop the shell colouring by type in RH please? It is so
> annoying....

Probably better to ask on a list that isn't for discussions of Red Hat
Network, but "alias ls" will probably give you a clue.

John



From rcorujo at yahoo.com  Tue Jan 23 00:33:10 2007
From: rcorujo at yahoo.com (Rigoberto Corujo)
Date: Mon, 22 Jan 2007 16:33:10 -0800 (PST)
Subject: [rhn-users] Question on memory usage
In-Reply-To: <5485CD8F71979F4093B2EA34A613FACA175C2B81@TJAX2735EXCH.csxt.ad.csx.com>
Message-ID: <672236.94170.qm@web60824.mail.yahoo.com>

Thank you for your reply, Frank.

What I don't understand is that, on n11, there is
6289408 - 4896448 = 1392960 kB of swap being used, but
there is 2521308 kB of free memory.  Since there is
still 2521308 kB of free memory, why would any swap be
needed at all?

The swappiness setting is the same on both machines
and has not been modified.

By the way, I forgot to mention that the version of
Linux is 2.6.9-34.

Rigoberto

--- "Lamon, Frank III" <Frank_LaMon at csx.com> wrote:

> Something doesn't jive here - n11 has done some
> swapping and the OS "not running
> anything other than the same minimal set of
> processes" would not swap with 4GB of physical
> memory. Something is requiring memory here and maybe
> the swappiness setting has been modified, the OS
> just sitting there won't swap.
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: rhn-users-bounces at redhat.com
> [mailto:rhn-users-bounces at redhat.com]On Behalf Of
> Rigoberto Corujo
> Sent: Monday, January 22, 2007 5:05 PM
> To: rhn-users at redhat.com
> Subject: [rhn-users] Question on memory usage
> 
> 
> Hello,
> 
> I have two machines which have the same amount of
> total memory.  When the machines are booted, the
> amount of free memory is the same as shown by
> "/proc/meminfo".  After a period of time, the amount
> of free memory differs betweem the two machines even
> though, at the time I'm taking a reading of
> "/proc/meminfo", both machines are not running
> anything other than the same minimal set of
> processes.
>  That is, no user apps.  Just the bare bones system
> processes.
> 
> Here's an example of two machines, n5 and n11, and
> their "/proc/meminfo" values.  Can someone explain
> why
> this situation would occur and is there any why to
> tell Linux to reclaim any memory that's not actually
> being used?
> 
> [root at n5 ~]# cat /proc/meminfo
> MemTotal:      4037388 kB
> MemFree:       3814020 kB
> Buffers:         24868 kB
> Cached:          61404 kB
> SwapCached:      60064 kB
> Active:          34188 kB
> Inactive:       119224 kB
> HighTotal:           0 kB
> HighFree:            0 kB
> LowTotal:      4037388 kB
> LowFree:       3814020 kB
> SwapTotal:     6289408 kB
> SwapFree:      6228780 kB
> Dirty:               0 kB
> Writeback:           0 kB
> Mapped:          24776 kB
> Slab:            37776 kB
> Committed_AS:    50692 kB
> PageTables:       1232 kB
> VmallocTotal: 536870911 kB
> VmallocUsed:     15788 kB
> VmallocChunk: 536855115 kB
> HugePages_Total:     0
> HugePages_Free:      0
> Hugepagesize:     2048 kB
> 
> 
> [root at n11 ~]# cat /proc/meminfo
> MemTotal:      4037388 kB
> MemFree:       2521308 kB
> Buffers:         17676 kB
> Cached:          27108 kB
> SwapCached:    1392056 kB
> Active:          39660 kB
> Inactive:      1403784 kB
> HighTotal:           0 kB
> HighFree:            0 kB
> LowTotal:      4037388 kB
> LowFree:       2521308 kB
> SwapTotal:     6289408 kB
> SwapFree:      4896448 kB
> Dirty:               0 kB
> Writeback:           0 kB
> Mapped:          24324 kB
> Slab:            40444 kB
> Committed_AS:    50832 kB
> PageTables:       1232 kB
> VmallocTotal: 536870911 kB
> VmallocUsed:     15788 kB
> VmallocChunk: 536855115 kB
> HugePages_Total:     0
> HugePages_Free:      0
> Hugepagesize:     2048 kB
> 
> Thank you.
> 
> Rigoberto
> 
> 
>  
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From: keep.rhn.users.ontopic at gmail.com (Redhat User)
Date: Mon, 22 Jan 2007 18:46:38 -0600
Subject: [rhn-users] Question on memory usage
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How does your question relate to RHN network and the use thereof?

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Please take your question to an appropriate list.

On 1/22/07, Rigoberto Corujo <rcorujo at yahoo.com> wrote:
>
> Thank you for your reply, Frank.
>
> What I don't understand is that, on n11, there is
> 6289408 - 4896448 = 1392960 kB of swap being used, but
> there is 2521308 kB of free memory.  Since there is
> still 2521308 kB of free memory, why would any swap be
> needed at all?
>
> The swappiness setting is the same on both machines
> and has not been modified.
>
> By the way, I forgot to mention that the version of
> Linux is 2.6.9-34.
>
> Rigoberto
>
> --- "Lamon, Frank III" <Frank_LaMon at csx.com> wrote:
>
> > Something doesn't jive here - n11 has done some
> > swapping and the OS "not running
> > anything other than the same minimal set of
> > processes" would not swap with 4GB of physical
> > memory. Something is requiring memory here and maybe
> > the swappiness setting has been modified, the OS
> > just sitting there won't swap.
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: rhn-users-bounces at redhat.com
> > [mailto:rhn-users-bounces at redhat.com]On Behalf Of
> > Rigoberto Corujo
> > Sent: Monday, January 22, 2007 5:05 PM
> > To: rhn-users at redhat.com
> > Subject: [rhn-users] Question on memory usage
> >
> >
> > Hello,
> >
> > I have two machines which have the same amount of
> > total memory.  When the machines are booted, the
> > amount of free memory is the same as shown by
> > "/proc/meminfo".  After a period of time, the amount
> > of free memory differs betweem the two machines even
> > though, at the time I'm taking a reading of
> > "/proc/meminfo", both machines are not running
> > anything other than the same minimal set of
> > processes.
> >  That is, no user apps.  Just the bare bones system
> > processes.
> >
> > Here's an example of two machines, n5 and n11, and
> > their "/proc/meminfo" values.  Can someone explain
> > why
> > this situation would occur and is there any why to
> > tell Linux to reclaim any memory that's not actually
> > being used?
> >
> > [root at n5 ~]# cat /proc/meminfo
> > MemTotal:      4037388 kB
> > MemFree:       3814020 kB
> > Buffers:         24868 kB
> > Cached:          61404 kB
> > SwapCached:      60064 kB
> > Active:          34188 kB
> > Inactive:       119224 kB
> > HighTotal:           0 kB
> > HighFree:            0 kB
> > LowTotal:      4037388 kB
> > LowFree:       3814020 kB
> > SwapTotal:     6289408 kB
> > SwapFree:      6228780 kB
> > Dirty:               0 kB
> > Writeback:           0 kB
> > Mapped:          24776 kB
> > Slab:            37776 kB
> > Committed_AS:    50692 kB
> > PageTables:       1232 kB
> > VmallocTotal: 536870911 kB
> > VmallocUsed:     15788 kB
> > VmallocChunk: 536855115 kB
> > HugePages_Total:     0
> > HugePages_Free:      0
> > Hugepagesize:     2048 kB
> >
> >
> > [root at n11 ~]# cat /proc/meminfo
> > MemTotal:      4037388 kB
> > MemFree:       2521308 kB
> > Buffers:         17676 kB
> > Cached:          27108 kB
> > SwapCached:    1392056 kB
> > Active:          39660 kB
> > Inactive:      1403784 kB
> > HighTotal:           0 kB
> > HighFree:            0 kB
> > LowTotal:      4037388 kB
> > LowFree:       2521308 kB
> > SwapTotal:     6289408 kB
> > SwapFree:      4896448 kB
> > Dirty:               0 kB
> > Writeback:           0 kB
> > Mapped:          24324 kB
> > Slab:            40444 kB
> > Committed_AS:    50832 kB
> > PageTables:       1232 kB
> > VmallocTotal: 536870911 kB
> > VmallocUsed:     15788 kB
> > VmallocChunk: 536855115 kB
> > HugePages_Total:     0
> > HugePages_Free:      0
> > Hugepagesize:     2048 kB
> >
> > Thank you.
> >
> > Rigoberto
> >
> >
> >
> >
>
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From gbarton at sybase.com  Wed Jan 24 00:15:27 2007
From: gbarton at sybase.com (Guillermo Barton = Shark)
Date: Tue, 23 Jan 2007 16:15:27 -0800
Subject: [rhn-users] Question on memory usage
In-Reply-To: <672236.94170.qm@web60824.mail.yahoo.com>
References: <672236.94170.qm@web60824.mail.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <45B6A51F.1060403@sybase.com>

use the command 'top' to check what is going on, this will give you a 
better look at what is going on...might be a
maintenance job that is being launched via cron.  You'll be able to see 
it with top...

good luck

-G

Rigoberto Corujo wrote:
> Thank you for your reply, Frank.
>
> What I don't understand is that, on n11, there is
> 6289408 - 4896448 = 1392960 kB of swap being used, but
> there is 2521308 kB of free memory.  Since there is
> still 2521308 kB of free memory, why would any swap be
> needed at all?
>
> The swappiness setting is the same on both machines
> and has not been modified.
>
> By the way, I forgot to mention that the version of
> Linux is 2.6.9-34.
>
> Rigoberto
>
> --- "Lamon, Frank III" <Frank_LaMon at csx.com> wrote:
>
>   
>> Something doesn't jive here - n11 has done some
>> swapping and the OS "not running
>> anything other than the same minimal set of
>> processes" would not swap with 4GB of physical
>> memory. Something is requiring memory here and maybe
>> the swappiness setting has been modified, the OS
>> just sitting there won't swap.
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: rhn-users-bounces at redhat.com
>> [mailto:rhn-users-bounces at redhat.com]On Behalf Of
>> Rigoberto Corujo
>> Sent: Monday, January 22, 2007 5:05 PM
>> To: rhn-users at redhat.com
>> Subject: [rhn-users] Question on memory usage
>>
>>
>> Hello,
>>
>> I have two machines which have the same amount of
>> total memory.  When the machines are booted, the
>> amount of free memory is the same as shown by
>> "/proc/meminfo".  After a period of time, the amount
>> of free memory differs betweem the two machines even
>> though, at the time I'm taking a reading of
>> "/proc/meminfo", both machines are not running
>> anything other than the same minimal set of
>> processes.
>>  That is, no user apps.  Just the bare bones system
>> processes.
>>
>> Here's an example of two machines, n5 and n11, and
>> their "/proc/meminfo" values.  Can someone explain
>> why
>> this situation would occur and is there any why to
>> tell Linux to reclaim any memory that's not actually
>> being used?
>>
>> [root at n5 ~]# cat /proc/meminfo
>> MemTotal:      4037388 kB
>> MemFree:       3814020 kB
>> Buffers:         24868 kB
>> Cached:          61404 kB
>> SwapCached:      60064 kB
>> Active:          34188 kB
>> Inactive:       119224 kB
>> HighTotal:           0 kB
>> HighFree:            0 kB
>> LowTotal:      4037388 kB
>> LowFree:       3814020 kB
>> SwapTotal:     6289408 kB
>> SwapFree:      6228780 kB
>> Dirty:               0 kB
>> Writeback:           0 kB
>> Mapped:          24776 kB
>> Slab:            37776 kB
>> Committed_AS:    50692 kB
>> PageTables:       1232 kB
>> VmallocTotal: 536870911 kB
>> VmallocUsed:     15788 kB
>> VmallocChunk: 536855115 kB
>> HugePages_Total:     0
>> HugePages_Free:      0
>> Hugepagesize:     2048 kB
>>
>>
>> [root at n11 ~]# cat /proc/meminfo
>> MemTotal:      4037388 kB
>> MemFree:       2521308 kB
>> Buffers:         17676 kB
>> Cached:          27108 kB
>> SwapCached:    1392056 kB
>> Active:          39660 kB
>> Inactive:      1403784 kB
>> HighTotal:           0 kB
>> HighFree:            0 kB
>> LowTotal:      4037388 kB
>> LowFree:       2521308 kB
>> SwapTotal:     6289408 kB
>> SwapFree:      4896448 kB
>> Dirty:               0 kB
>> Writeback:           0 kB
>> Mapped:          24324 kB
>> Slab:            40444 kB
>> Committed_AS:    50832 kB
>> PageTables:       1232 kB
>> VmallocTotal: 536870911 kB
>> VmallocUsed:     15788 kB
>> VmallocChunk: 536855115 kB
>> HugePages_Total:     0
>> HugePages_Free:      0
>> Hugepagesize:     2048 kB
>>
>> Thank you.
>>
>> Rigoberto
>>
>>
>>  
>>
>>     
> ____________________________________________________________________________________
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>> caused directly or indirectly by receipt of this
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From gbarton at sybase.com  Wed Jan 24 00:22:20 2007
From: gbarton at sybase.com (Guillermo Barton = Shark)
Date: Tue, 23 Jan 2007 16:22:20 -0800
Subject: [rhn-users] NIS or automounter problem
In-Reply-To: <58FEF525AF1E664D9503ACDEAC926BBC01A23253@ZMY16EXM66.ds.mot.com>
References: <58FEF525AF1E664D9503ACDEAC926BBC01A23253@ZMY16EXM66.ds.mot.com>
Message-ID: <45B6A6BC.5060507@sybase.com>

If your users have home directories that are mounting from some other 
machine it could be that the home directories for your users cannot be 
found. And you will see that exact behaviour...at least for root or 
other local users you can edit the /etc/passwd file and change to a  
known working directory.  take a look with chkconfig at the autofs startup.
editing /etc/nsswitch.conf and removing nis from the entries you want 
will give you the same effect as authconfig in the message below.

best of luck,

-Guillermo

E Azariah Jason-G20266 wrote:
>  Hi,
> Be at single user mode ( rescue mode) and fire the command called
> authconfig , and disable NIS authentication. It will disable the NIS
> services (YP) . After this switch over to run level 3 and trouble shoot
> the issue.
>
> Thanks
> Jason.
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: rhn-users-bounces at redhat.com [mailto:rhn-users-bounces at redhat.com]
> On Behalf Of Sterling, James A
> Sent: Wednesday, January 17, 2007 7:36 PM
> To: Discussions about Red Hat Network (rhn.redhat.com);
> hugo.simon at gmx.de
> Subject: RE: [rhn-users] NIS or automounter problem
>
> In single user just go to /etc and edit fstab to disable the mount
> points Also in /etc/rc.d/init.d you will find autofs link.. You can
> disable that 
>
> Hope this helps.
>
> jasiii
>
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> -----Original Message-----
> From: Hugo Simon [mailto:hugo.simon at gmx.de]
> Sent: Wednesday, January 17, 2007 7:58 AM
> To: Discussions about Red Hat Network (rhn.redhat.com)
> Subject: [rhn-users] NIS or automounter problem
>
> Hi,
>
> I have some problems with Redhat EL machine. It was configured as a NIS
> member for over a year, running fine. Since monday I cannot log on to
> the machine. Not as root or any other user. Also not directly on the
> console.
> The system accepts user ID and password but the stops responding. No
> error message, nothing.
>
> When I reboot the machine I notice that "starting autofs" takes minutes,
> which was before a matter of seconds. I don't think that there are
> critical directories automounted via NFS or so. But I cannot verify this
> because I cannot logon. :-(
>
> I tried starting in single user mode. That works. But then? What can I
> do?
> Maybe disabling the NIS and automounter at first would be a good idea.
> But how? I work with Linux seldom, so I need some hints.
>
> Other machines running AIX working with the same NIS environment and
> even mounting the same NFS folders are running fine.
>
> Any comment would be helpful.
>
> Thank you
> Thorsten
>
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From keep.rhn.users.ontopic at gmail.com  Wed Jan 24 00:28:41 2007
From: keep.rhn.users.ontopic at gmail.com (Redhat User)
Date: Tue, 23 Jan 2007 18:28:41 -0600
Subject: [rhn-users] NIS or automounter problem
In-Reply-To: <45B6A6BC.5060507@sybase.com>
References: <58FEF525AF1E664D9503ACDEAC926BBC01A23253@ZMY16EXM66.ds.mot.com>
	<45B6A6BC.5060507@sybase.com>
Message-ID: <aabc145c0701231628w48b5cc5exa96b715b1be4c6cb@mail.gmail.com>

On 1/23/07, Guillermo Barton = Shark <gbarton at sybase.com> wrote:
>
> If your users have home directories that are mounting from some other
> machine it could be that the home directories for your users cannot be
> found. And you will see that exact behaviour...at least for root or
> other local users you can edit the /etc/passwd file and change to a
> known working directory.  take a look with chkconfig at the autofs
> startup.
> editing /etc/nsswitch.conf and removing nis from the entries you want
> will give you the same effect as authconfig in the message below.


Guillermo,

I realize you are trying to be helpful, but it is not helpful to keep
answering off topic posts on this list.  Could people please try to keep
posts on-topic?  Your answer has nothing to do with RedHat Network.
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From dmhunter at charter.net  Wed Jan 24 04:12:02 2007
From: dmhunter at charter.net (Dan Hunter)
Date: Tue, 23 Jan 2007 22:12:02 -0600
Subject: [rhn-users] NIS or automounter problem
References: <58FEF525AF1E664D9503ACDEAC926BBC01A23253@ZMY16EXM66.ds.mot.com><45B6A6BC.5060507@sybase.com>
	<aabc145c0701231628w48b5cc5exa96b715b1be4c6cb@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <004901c73f6d$ce663b60$64011811@mutant>

New users usually don't know where to get help.
I can understand their posting to the wrong list.
If you know the answer, tell them.
If you know the correct list for the question,
tell them...  after you answer the question.
Not everybody knows the Redhat lists backward and forward.
A little dab of understanding please.
  ----- Original Message ----- 
  From: Redhat User 
  To: Discussions about Red Hat Network (rhn.redhat.com) 
  Sent: Tuesday, January 23, 2007 6:28 PM
  Subject: Re: [rhn-users] NIS or automounter problem


  On 1/23/07, Guillermo Barton = Shark <gbarton at sybase.com> wrote:
    If your users have home directories that are mounting from some other
    machine it could be that the home directories for your users cannot be
    found. And you will see that exact behaviour...at least for root or
    other local users you can edit the /etc/passwd file and change to a 
    known working directory.  take a look with chkconfig at the autofs startup.
    editing /etc/nsswitch.conf and removing nis from the entries you want
    will give you the same effect as authconfig in the message below. 

  Guillermo,

  I realize you are trying to be helpful, but it is not helpful to keep answering off topic posts on this list.  Could people please try to keep posts on-topic?  Your answer has nothing to do with RedHat Network. 







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From inode0 at gmail.com  Wed Jan 24 05:40:29 2007
From: inode0 at gmail.com (inode0)
Date: Tue, 23 Jan 2007 23:40:29 -0600
Subject: [rhn-users] NIS or automounter problem
In-Reply-To: <004901c73f6d$ce663b60$64011811@mutant>
References: <58FEF525AF1E664D9503ACDEAC926BBC01A23253@ZMY16EXM66.ds.mot.com>
	<45B6A6BC.5060507@sybase.com>
	<aabc145c0701231628w48b5cc5exa96b715b1be4c6cb@mail.gmail.com>
	<004901c73f6d$ce663b60$64011811@mutant>
Message-ID: <e8a30f560701232140g2f6d3e1at190755518ca8745a@mail.gmail.com>

On 1/23/07, Dan Hunter <dmhunter at charter.net> wrote:
>
> New users usually don't know where to get help.
> I can understand their posting to the wrong list.
> If you know the answer, tell them.
> If you know the correct list for the question,
> tell them...  after you answer the question.
> Not everybody knows the Redhat lists backward and forward.
> A little dab of understanding please.

It surprises me that people can find this list but can't find the
redhat-list which seems to me to be at least as well advertised and
more appropriate. IMO this list might as well be merged with that list
if people really don't want a list with RHN as its focus. The noise
ratio on this list is currently very high.

John



From hugo.simon at gmx.de  Wed Jan 24 06:44:53 2007
From: hugo.simon at gmx.de (Hugo Simon)
Date: Wed, 24 Jan 2007 07:44:53 +0100
Subject: [rhn-users] NIS or automounter problem
References: <58FEF525AF1E664D9503ACDEAC926BBC01A23253@ZMY16EXM66.ds.mot.com><45B6A6BC.5060507@sybase.com><aabc145c0701231628w48b5cc5exa96b715b1be4c6cb@mail.gmail.com><004901c73f6d$ce663b60$64011811@mutant>
	<e8a30f560701232140g2f6d3e1at190755518ca8745a@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <001f01c73f83$276b5640$2864a8c0@PC1>

> It surprises me that people can find this list but can't find the
> redhat-list which seems to me to be at least as well advertised and
> more appropriate. IMO this list might as well be merged with that list
> if people really don't want a list with RHN as its focus. The noise
> ratio on this list is currently very high.

I am very sorry I asked a question in this list. Seems I don't understand
what this list is for. Your response is typical for many many Linux lists.
There seems much Linux gurus and if someone asks a "stupid" question he got
flamed. I will in future better call Redhat support and keep you alone with
your list so you are not so stressed by my "stupid of topic" questions.

Thats my biggest problem with Linux. If you don't know it, you can't learn
it if you haven't the time for reading thousands of man pages. So I will use
Linux only were I must. That's not a very effizient way to get more Linux
users and fight against the Gates imperium.

:-(

Thorsten



From hugo.simon at gmx.de  Wed Jan 24 06:52:37 2007
From: hugo.simon at gmx.de (Hugo Simon)
Date: Wed, 24 Jan 2007 07:52:37 +0100
Subject: [rhn-users] NIS or automounter problem
References: <58FEF525AF1E664D9503ACDEAC926BBC01A23253@ZMY16EXM66.ds.mot.com>
	<45B6A6BC.5060507@sybase.com>
Message-ID: <003b01c73f84$3be45080$2864a8c0@PC1>

> If your users have home directories that are mounting from some other
> machine it could be that the home directories for your users cannot be
The normal users indeed have their homes mounted this way, but not the root
or other local users of the machine.

The problem was that our NIS provider changed the NIS servers IP without
changing the DNS entry, so NIS was not available. The normal users behaviour
is understandable for me. But why the root cannot logon either. Switching of
NIS in singleuser mode alows me to logon. But I would like the machine to be
accessible even if some NIS or other external things like DNS are not
available.

I think there is some problem with the search order for users, groups, etc.

The NFS mounting problem was on the NFS server. There seems somehow the
portmapper didn't allow new connections. Restarting server's portmapper
helps.

Thank you for your help

Thorsten



From carmoda at gmail.com  Wed Jan 24 06:46:11 2007
From: carmoda at gmail.com (Anthony Carmody)
Date: Wed, 24 Jan 2007 16:46:11 +1000
Subject: [rhn-users] RH EL4 light install help needed.
Message-ID: <45B700B3.1090103@gmail.com>

Hi Everyone,

I'm a FreeBSD guy normally so be easy on me~!

I have half a dozen Dell 1950 servers with RHEL4 on them, the base 
install (they come preloaded with) has 945 packages installed by default.

I want to deploy these servers with minimal packages on them, ideally 
with Mod_Python, Apache2 and a few other packages only...

I have attempted to reinstall via the supplied Dell + RHEL4 installer 
CD's but I never get the opportunity to select what i want installed and 
what i don't want etc... i end up with over 1000 packages.. Installing 
via RHEL4 disc's directly (not using the Dell system loader) fails when 
it looks for a location to install, probably due to some incompatibility 
with the on-board raid controller. It is a LSI megaraid card. It should 
be supported but i am thinking it might be a very late chipset.

any suggestions or advice would really be appreciated.


-- 
Regards,

Anthony Carmody
========================
p:	+61	(0) 414 417 457
e: 	carmoda at gmail.com
im: carmoda at jabber.org
========================



From mike at mommabears.com  Wed Jan 24 06:51:36 2007
From: mike at mommabears.com (MJang)
Date: Tue, 23 Jan 2007 22:51:36 -0800
Subject: [rhn-users] RHN List Membership
Message-ID: <1169621496.5822.6.camel@localhost>

Folks,

With the constant discussion and complaints about "off-topic" stuff, I
wonder if membership to this particular list should be limited.

As this list is focused on the RHN, and RHN access requires a paid
subscription (except for trial users), perhaps membership should be
limited to registered RHN users (paid and trial).

There are several dozen lists (including those associated with RHEL 3 /
RHEL 4 / RHEL 5 (beta) / various Fedora topics) for all levels of users
who don't need to know more about the RHN.

Thanks,
Mike



From jentrena at mailext.com  Wed Jan 24 09:57:00 2007
From: jentrena at mailext.com (Entrena Perez, Julio [HP])
Date: Wed, 24 Jan 2007 10:57:00 +0100
Subject: [rhn-users] RHN List Membership
In-Reply-To: <1169621496.5822.6.camel@localhost>
References: <1169621496.5822.6.camel@localhost>
Message-ID: <80FDDD0100BF5F42BF6391EAB5C8D3630140DBFE@sbext231.mailext.com>

I agree with Mike.

Regards,
Juli

-----Mensaje original-----
De: rhn-users-bounces at redhat.com [mailto:rhn-users-bounces at redhat.com] En nombre de MJang
Enviado el: mi?rcoles, 24 de enero de 2007 7:52
Para: Discussions about Red Hat Network (rhn.redhat.com)
Asunto: [rhn-users] RHN List Membership

Folks,

With the constant discussion and complaints about "off-topic" stuff, I
wonder if membership to this particular list should be limited.

As this list is focused on the RHN, and RHN access requires a paid
subscription (except for trial users), perhaps membership should be
limited to registered RHN users (paid and trial).

There are several dozen lists (including those associated with RHEL 3 /
RHEL 4 / RHEL 5 (beta) / various Fedora topics) for all levels of users
who don't need to know more about the RHN.

Thanks,
Mike

_______________________________________________
rhn-users mailing list
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https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/rhn-users



From ajason at motorola.com  Wed Jan 24 10:01:44 2007
From: ajason at motorola.com (E Azariah Jason-G20266)
Date: Wed, 24 Jan 2007 18:01:44 +0800
Subject: [rhn-users] RHN List Membership
In-Reply-To: <80FDDD0100BF5F42BF6391EAB5C8D3630140DBFE@sbext231.mailext.com>
Message-ID: <58FEF525AF1E664D9503ACDEAC926BBC01AA1AC2@ZMY16EXM66.ds.mot.com>

Me too agree with Mike 

-----Original Message-----
From: rhn-users-bounces at redhat.com [mailto:rhn-users-bounces at redhat.com] On Behalf Of Entrena Perez, Julio [HP]
Sent: Wednesday, January 24, 2007 3:27 PM
To: Discussions about Red Hat Network (rhn.redhat.com)
Subject: RE: [rhn-users] RHN List Membership

I agree with Mike.

Regards,
Juli

-----Mensaje original-----
De: rhn-users-bounces at redhat.com [mailto:rhn-users-bounces at redhat.com] En nombre de MJang Enviado el: mi?rcoles, 24 de enero de 2007 7:52
Para: Discussions about Red Hat Network (rhn.redhat.com)
Asunto: [rhn-users] RHN List Membership

Folks,

With the constant discussion and complaints about "off-topic" stuff, I wonder if membership to this particular list should be limited.

As this list is focused on the RHN, and RHN access requires a paid subscription (except for trial users), perhaps membership should be limited to registered RHN users (paid and trial).

There are several dozen lists (including those associated with RHEL 3 / RHEL 4 / RHEL 5 (beta) / various Fedora topics) for all levels of users who don't need to know more about the RHN.

Thanks,
Mike

_______________________________________________
rhn-users mailing list
rhn-users at redhat.com
https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/rhn-users

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From Mark.Gibbons at hp.com  Wed Jan 24 10:29:29 2007
From: Mark.Gibbons at hp.com (Gibbons, Mark (BRA03))
Date: Wed, 24 Jan 2007 10:29:29 -0000
Subject: [rhn-users] RHN List Membership
In-Reply-To: <58FEF525AF1E664D9503ACDEAC926BBC01AA1AC2@ZMY16EXM66.ds.mot.com>
Message-ID: <AB7DFB232F350F4DA279727D3677AB5B0625B216@sdcexc02.emea.cpqcorp.net>

Agreed 

-----Original Message-----
From: rhn-users-bounces at redhat.com [mailto:rhn-users-bounces at redhat.com] On Behalf Of E Azariah Jason-G20266
Sent: 24 January 2007 10:02
To: Discussions about Red Hat Network (rhn.redhat.com)
Subject: RE: [rhn-users] RHN List Membership

Me too agree with Mike 

-----Original Message-----
From: rhn-users-bounces at redhat.com [mailto:rhn-users-bounces at redhat.com] On Behalf Of Entrena Perez, Julio [HP]
Sent: Wednesday, January 24, 2007 3:27 PM
To: Discussions about Red Hat Network (rhn.redhat.com)
Subject: RE: [rhn-users] RHN List Membership

I agree with Mike.

Regards,
Juli

-----Mensaje original-----
De: rhn-users-bounces at redhat.com [mailto:rhn-users-bounces at redhat.com] En nombre de MJang Enviado el: mi?rcoles, 24 de enero de 2007 7:52
Para: Discussions about Red Hat Network (rhn.redhat.com)
Asunto: [rhn-users] RHN List Membership

Folks,

With the constant discussion and complaints about "off-topic" stuff, I wonder if membership to this particular list should be limited.

As this list is focused on the RHN, and RHN access requires a paid subscription (except for trial users), perhaps membership should be limited to registered RHN users (paid and trial).

There are several dozen lists (including those associated with RHEL 3 / RHEL 4 / RHEL 5 (beta) / various Fedora topics) for all levels of users who don't need to know more about the RHN.

Thanks,
Mike

_______________________________________________
rhn-users mailing list
rhn-users at redhat.com
https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/rhn-users

_______________________________________________
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rhn-users at redhat.com
https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/rhn-users

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From hubarlow at sbcglobal.net  Wed Jan 24 10:46:39 2007
From: hubarlow at sbcglobal.net (hubarlow at sbcglobal.net)
Date: Wed, 24 Jan 2007 02:46:39 -0800 (PST)
Subject: [rhn-users] NIS or automounter problem
Message-ID: <20070124104639.88311.qmail@web82514.mail.mud.yahoo.com>

If my memory serves me right you can find this list on the red hat site quite easily but the others take a bit of leg work.  This may be the reason for all of the off topic posts by newbies.


----- Original Message ----
From: inode0 <inode0 at gmail.com>
To: Discussions about Red Hat Network (rhn.redhat.com) <rhn-users at redhat.com>
Sent: Tuesday, January 23, 2007 11:40:29 PM
Subject: Re: [rhn-users] NIS or automounter problem


On 1/23/07, Dan Hunter <dmhunter at charter.net> wrote:
>
> New users usually don't know where to get help.
> I can understand their posting to the wrong list.
> If you know the answer, tell them.
> If you know the correct list for the question,
> tell them...  after you answer the question.
> Not everybody knows the Redhat lists backward and forward.
> A little dab of understanding please.

It surprises me that people can find this list but can't find the
redhat-list which seems to me to be at least as well advertised and
more appropriate. IMO this list might as well be merged with that list
if people really don't want a list with RHN as its focus. The noise
ratio on this list is currently very high.

John

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From miked at edudirectories.com  Wed Jan 24 12:03:08 2007
From: miked at edudirectories.com (Michael Dittbrenner)
Date: Wed, 24 Jan 2007 07:03:08 -0500
Subject: [rhn-users] RH EL4 light install help needed.
Message-ID: <1042482310-35228492@mail.studyabroad.com>

Anthony

Try downloading RHEL 4 update 3 or 4. This will have the working driver to work with perc 5 cards.  I also had same issue and it was fixed with the update isos you can download  from the rhn site.

Sincerely 

Mike D

-----Original Message-----
From: "Anthony Carmody" <carmoda at gmail.com>
To: rhn-users at redhat.com
Sent: 1/24/07 1:46 AM
Subject: [rhn-users] RH EL4 light install help needed.

Hi Everyone,

I'm a FreeBSD guy normally so be easy on me~!

I have half a dozen Dell 1950 servers with RHEL4 on them, the base 
install (they come preloaded with) has 945 packages installed by default.

I want to deploy these servers with minimal packages on them, ideally 
with Mod_Python, Apache2 and a few other packages only...

I have attempted to reinstall via the supplied Dell + RHEL4 installer 
CD's but I never get the opportunity to select what i want installed and 
what i don't want etc... i end up with over 1000 packages.. Installing 
via RHEL4 disc's directly (not using the Dell system loader) fails when 
it looks for a location to install, probably due to some incompatibility 
with the on-board raid controller. It is a LSI megaraid card. It should 
be supported but i am thinking it might be a very late chipset.

any suggestions or advice would really be appreciated.


-- 
Regards,

Anthony Carmody
========================




From p at uni-bielefeld.de  Wed Jan 24 12:21:32 2007
From: p at uni-bielefeld.de (=?ISO-8859-1?Q?Peter_K=FChnlein?=)
Date: Wed, 24 Jan 2007 13:21:32 +0100
Subject: [rhn-users] unsubscribe
In-Reply-To: <AB7DFB232F350F4DA279727D3677AB5B0625B216@sdcexc02.emea.cpqcorp.net>
References: <AB7DFB232F350F4DA279727D3677AB5B0625B216@sdcexc02.emea.cpqcorp.net>
Message-ID: <45B74F4C.2010303@uni-bielefeld.de>

Gibbons, Mark (BRA03) wrote:

> Agreed 
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: rhn-users-bounces at redhat.com [mailto:rhn-users-bounces at redhat.com] On Behalf Of E Azariah Jason-G20266
> Sent: 24 January 2007 10:02
> To: Discussions about Red Hat Network (rhn.redhat.com)
> Subject: RE: [rhn-users] RHN List Membership
> 
> Me too agree with Mike 
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: rhn-users-bounces at redhat.com [mailto:rhn-users-bounces at redhat.com] On Behalf Of Entrena Perez, Julio [HP]
> Sent: Wednesday, January 24, 2007 3:27 PM
> To: Discussions about Red Hat Network (rhn.redhat.com)
> Subject: RE: [rhn-users] RHN List Membership
> 
> I agree with Mike.
> 
> Regards,
> Juli
> 
> -----Mensaje original-----
> De: rhn-users-bounces at redhat.com [mailto:rhn-users-bounces at redhat.com] En nombre de MJang Enviado el: mi?rcoles, 24 de enero de 2007 7:52
> Para: Discussions about Red Hat Network (rhn.redhat.com)
> Asunto: [rhn-users] RHN List Membership
> 
> Folks,
> 
> With the constant discussion and complaints about "off-topic" stuff, I wonder if membership to this particular list should be limited.
> 
> As this list is focused on the RHN, and RHN access requires a paid subscription (except for trial users), perhaps membership should be limited to registered RHN users (paid and trial).
> 
> There are several dozen lists (including those associated with RHEL 3 / RHEL 4 / RHEL 5 (beta) / various Fedora topics) for all levels of users who don't need to know more about the RHN.
> 
> Thanks,
> Mike
> 
> _______________________________________________
> rhn-users mailing list
> rhn-users at redhat.com
> https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/rhn-users
> 
> _______________________________________________
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> rhn-users at redhat.com
> https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/rhn-users
> 
> _______________________________________________
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> rhn-users at redhat.com
> https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/rhn-users
> 
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> https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/rhn-users


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From duffy at redhat.com  Wed Jan 24 15:24:32 2007
From: duffy at redhat.com (=?ISO-8859-1?Q?M=E1ir=EDn_Duffy?=)
Date: Wed, 24 Jan 2007 10:24:32 -0500
Subject: [rhn-users] NIS or automounter problem
In-Reply-To: <e8a30f560701232140g2f6d3e1at190755518ca8745a@mail.gmail.com>
References: <58FEF525AF1E664D9503ACDEAC926BBC01A23253@ZMY16EXM66.ds.mot.com>	<45B6A6BC.5060507@sybase.com>	<aabc145c0701231628w48b5cc5exa96b715b1be4c6cb@mail.gmail.com>	<004901c73f6d$ce663b60$64011811@mutant>
	<e8a30f560701232140g2f6d3e1at190755518ca8745a@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <45B77A30.80208@redhat.com>

inode0 wrote:
> On 1/23/07, Dan Hunter <dmhunter at charter.net> wrote:
>>
>> New users usually don't know where to get help.
>> I can understand their posting to the wrong list.
>> If you know the answer, tell them.
>> If you know the correct list for the question,
>> tell them...  after you answer the question.
>> Not everybody knows the Redhat lists backward and forward.
>> A little dab of understanding please.
> 
> It surprises me that people can find this list but can't find the
> redhat-list which seems to me to be at least as well advertised and
> more appropriate. IMO this list might as well be merged with that list
> if people really don't want a list with RHN as its focus. The noise
> ratio on this list is currently very high.

How did folks here initially find out about this list (if you can remember)?

It's obvious the explanation of the list and pointers to other lists on 
both the list info page [1] and in the 'welcome' email for new 
subscribers isn't sufficient to help folks find the appropriate list for 
their questions and to avoid off-topic discussions on this list.

Any suggestions on other things we can do are welcome.

Some ideas I had:

(1) We could make a policy that if an off-topic question is asked, we 
first let the question asker know that this is not the appropriate list 
and provide a list of links that might be helpful for them (I can come 
up with that list if needed, although the list info page is a good start 
[1]).

(2) We could cc the reply with the quoted question to the appropriate 
list with the answer if we know it. (Is this terrible mailing list 
etiquette?)

(3) We could reply to the question asker privately (I think it's better 
for everyone if questions are answered publicly, though, for the benefit 
of folks running into the same problems in the future searching for an 
answer.)

(4) We could send out a monthly reminder to mailing list subscribers 
with an explanation of what the mailing list is about and redirects to 
other lists (I don't like the idea of sending out so much mail, but I'm 
on other mailing lists that do this - they send out their policies/rules 
on a monthly basis.)

~m

[1] https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/rhn-users



From inode0 at gmail.com  Wed Jan 24 15:25:08 2007
From: inode0 at gmail.com (inode0)
Date: Wed, 24 Jan 2007 09:25:08 -0600
Subject: [rhn-users] NIS or automounter problem
In-Reply-To: <001f01c73f83$276b5640$2864a8c0@PC1>
References: <58FEF525AF1E664D9503ACDEAC926BBC01A23253@ZMY16EXM66.ds.mot.com>
	<45B6A6BC.5060507@sybase.com>
	<aabc145c0701231628w48b5cc5exa96b715b1be4c6cb@mail.gmail.com>
	<004901c73f6d$ce663b60$64011811@mutant>
	<e8a30f560701232140g2f6d3e1at190755518ca8745a@mail.gmail.com>
	<001f01c73f83$276b5640$2864a8c0@PC1>
Message-ID: <e8a30f560701240725td3393bcv9bc3712207735067@mail.gmail.com>

On 1/24/07, Hugo Simon <hugo.simon at gmx.de> wrote:
> > It surprises me that people can find this list but can't find the
> > redhat-list which seems to me to be at least as well advertised and
> > more appropriate. IMO this list might as well be merged with that list
> > if people really don't want a list with RHN as its focus. The noise
> > ratio on this list is currently very high.
>
> I am very sorry I asked a question in this list. Seems I don't understand
> what this list is for. Your response is typical for many many Linux lists.

As it says in the email header this list is for "Discussions about Red
Hat Network"
and honestly what that means doesn't seem clear to a lot of people.

> There seems much Linux gurus and if someone asks a "stupid" question he got
> flamed. I will in future better call Redhat support and keep you alone with
> your list so you are not so stressed by my "stupid of topic" questions.

Please don't take comments made about this question being off topic as
any more than that. No one is flaming you for asking an off topic
question and no one is calling your question stupid. But if off topic
questions are always answered here without any comment about them
being off topic no one will ever learn, will they?

Would you think it would be fine to start a thread on this list about
how much you like Firefly? I hope you can agree that that would not be
appropriate as this list is clearly about Red Hat stuff. But it isn't
just about any old Red Hat stuff, it is about Red Hat *Network* stuff.
So most questions on this list are in fact off topic, which makes
people who want to keep up on issues related to Red Hat Network
frustrated from time to time.

John



From larry.sorensen at juno.com  Wed Jan 24 15:30:08 2007
From: larry.sorensen at juno.com (Larry D Sorensen)
Date: Wed, 24 Jan 2007 08:30:08 -0700
Subject: [rhn-users] RHN List Membership
Message-ID: <20070124.083008.924.0.larry.sorensen@juno.com>

I thought the whole purpose of lists like this was to help out colleagues
as well as get help for ourselves if needed. If someone is way out of
line for this discussion list, why not just point them in the right
direction? It is not like we are all forced to respond to questions if we
don't want to. This is a support group.

On Wed, 24 Jan 2007 10:29:29 -0000 "Gibbons, Mark (BRA03)"
<Mark.Gibbons at hp.com> writes:
> Agreed 
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: rhn-users-bounces at redhat.com 
> [mailto:rhn-users-bounces at redhat.com] On Behalf Of E Azariah 
> Jason-G20266
> Sent: 24 January 2007 10:02
> To: Discussions about Red Hat Network (rhn.redhat.com)
> Subject: RE: [rhn-users] RHN List Membership
> 
> Me too agree with Mike 
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: rhn-users-bounces at redhat.com 
> [mailto:rhn-users-bounces at redhat.com] On Behalf Of Entrena Perez, 
> Julio [HP]
> Sent: Wednesday, January 24, 2007 3:27 PM
> To: Discussions about Red Hat Network (rhn.redhat.com)
> Subject: RE: [rhn-users] RHN List Membership
> 
> I agree with Mike.
> 
> Regards,
> Juli
> 
> -----Mensaje original-----
> De: rhn-users-bounces at redhat.com 
> [mailto:rhn-users-bounces at redhat.com] En nombre de MJang Enviado el: 
> mi?rcoles, 24 de enero de 2007 7:52
> Para: Discussions about Red Hat Network (rhn.redhat.com)
> Asunto: [rhn-users] RHN List Membership
> 
> Folks,
> 
> With the constant discussion and complaints about "off-topic" stuff, 
> I wonder if membership to this particular list should be limited.
> 
> As this list is focused on the RHN, and RHN access requires a paid 
> subscription (except for trial users), perhaps membership should be 
> limited to registered RHN users (paid and trial).
> 
> There are several dozen lists (including those associated with RHEL 
> 3 / RHEL 4 / RHEL 5 (beta) / various Fedora topics) for all levels 
> of users who don't need to know more about the RHN.
> 
> Thanks,
> Mike
> 
> _______________________________________________
> rhn-users mailing list
> rhn-users at redhat.com
> https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/rhn-users
> 
> _______________________________________________
> rhn-users mailing list
> rhn-users at redhat.com
> https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/rhn-users
> 
> _______________________________________________
> rhn-users mailing list
> rhn-users at redhat.com
> .com/mailman/listinfo/rhn-users
> 
> _______________________________________________
> rhn-users mailing list
> rhn-users at redhat.com
> https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/rhn-users
> 
> 



From keep.rhn.users.ontopic at gmail.com  Wed Jan 24 15:50:07 2007
From: keep.rhn.users.ontopic at gmail.com (Redhat User)
Date: Wed, 24 Jan 2007 09:50:07 -0600
Subject: [rhn-users] RHN List Membership
In-Reply-To: <20070124.083008.924.0.larry.sorensen@juno.com>
References: <20070124.083008.924.0.larry.sorensen@juno.com>
Message-ID: <aabc145c0701240750u5d11072p558882a09184e8ad@mail.gmail.com>

On 1/24/07, Larry D Sorensen <larry.sorensen at juno.com> wrote:
>
> I thought the whole purpose of lists like this was to help out colleagues
> as well as get help for ourselves if needed. If someone is way out of
> line for this discussion list, why not just point them in the right
> direction? It is not like we are all forced to respond to questions if we
> don't want to. This is a support group.


The problem is that there is so much noise on this list, I don't think
redhat RHN folks are reading it anymore and don't seem to be responding to
relevant and important RHN questions/concerns.

I would have hoped redhat would use this list to annouce pending RHN changes
that impact users, but clearly that doesn't happen.
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From jentrena at mailext.com  Wed Jan 24 15:48:53 2007
From: jentrena at mailext.com (Entrena Perez, Julio [HP])
Date: Wed, 24 Jan 2007 16:48:53 +0100
Subject: [rhn-users] RHN List Membership
In-Reply-To: <20070124.083008.924.0.larry.sorensen@juno.com>
References: <20070124.083008.924.0.larry.sorensen@juno.com>
Message-ID: <80FDDD0100BF5F42BF6391EAB5C8D3630140DC71@sbext231.mailext.com>

I agree with you Larry, but the lack of 'netiquette' that lots of people show here posting non RHN related requests is draining a respectable amount of my (our?) time and that's not the purpose of this support mailing list, is it?

Of course all of us would prefer that this measure would not be necessary, but some of us think it is.

Juli

-----Mensaje original-----
De: rhn-users-bounces at redhat.com [mailto:rhn-users-bounces at redhat.com] En nombre de Larry D Sorensen
Enviado el: mi?rcoles, 24 de enero de 2007 16:30
Para: rhn-users at redhat.com
Asunto: Re: [rhn-users] RHN List Membership

I thought the whole purpose of lists like this was to help out colleagues
as well as get help for ourselves if needed. If someone is way out of
line for this discussion list, why not just point them in the right
direction? It is not like we are all forced to respond to questions if we
don't want to. This is a support group.

On Wed, 24 Jan 2007 10:29:29 -0000 "Gibbons, Mark (BRA03)"
<Mark.Gibbons at hp.com> writes:
> Agreed 
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: rhn-users-bounces at redhat.com 
> [mailto:rhn-users-bounces at redhat.com] On Behalf Of E Azariah 
> Jason-G20266
> Sent: 24 January 2007 10:02
> To: Discussions about Red Hat Network (rhn.redhat.com)
> Subject: RE: [rhn-users] RHN List Membership
> 
> Me too agree with Mike 
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: rhn-users-bounces at redhat.com 
> [mailto:rhn-users-bounces at redhat.com] On Behalf Of Entrena Perez, 
> Julio [HP]
> Sent: Wednesday, January 24, 2007 3:27 PM
> To: Discussions about Red Hat Network (rhn.redhat.com)
> Subject: RE: [rhn-users] RHN List Membership
> 
> I agree with Mike.
> 
> Regards,
> Juli
> 
> -----Mensaje original-----
> De: rhn-users-bounces at redhat.com 
> [mailto:rhn-users-bounces at redhat.com] En nombre de MJang Enviado el: 
> mi?rcoles, 24 de enero de 2007 7:52
> Para: Discussions about Red Hat Network (rhn.redhat.com)
> Asunto: [rhn-users] RHN List Membership
> 
> Folks,
> 
> With the constant discussion and complaints about "off-topic" stuff, 
> I wonder if membership to this particular list should be limited.
> 
> As this list is focused on the RHN, and RHN access requires a paid 
> subscription (except for trial users), perhaps membership should be 
> limited to registered RHN users (paid and trial).
> 
> There are several dozen lists (including those associated with RHEL 
> 3 / RHEL 4 / RHEL 5 (beta) / various Fedora topics) for all levels 
> of users who don't need to know more about the RHN.
> 
> Thanks,
> Mike
> 
> _______________________________________________
> rhn-users mailing list
> rhn-users at redhat.com
> https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/rhn-users
> 
> _______________________________________________
> rhn-users mailing list
> rhn-users at redhat.com
> https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/rhn-users
> 
> _______________________________________________
> rhn-users mailing list
> rhn-users at redhat.com
> .com/mailman/listinfo/rhn-users
> 
> _______________________________________________
> rhn-users mailing list
> rhn-users at redhat.com
> https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/rhn-users
> 
> 

_______________________________________________
rhn-users mailing list
rhn-users at redhat.com
https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/rhn-users



From bill at magicdigits.com  Wed Jan 24 16:20:33 2007
From: bill at magicdigits.com (Bill Watson)
Date: Wed, 24 Jan 2007 08:20:33 -0800
Subject: [rhn-users] RHN List Membership
In-Reply-To: <80FDDD0100BF5F42BF6391EAB5C8D3630140DC71@sbext231.mailext.com>
Message-ID: <007701c73fd3$95453aa0$09000032@bill>

The list name is the source of the problem. Folks like me google a specific
problem and find part of a solution. Then I/we see that "Red Hat Network"
was the source of the information. Dang what a fine sounding name of a group
of folks that knew what I was looking for. From reading the post, I see at
the bottom how to sign up. From there, I'm in! (yes I paid for my
subscriptions, so that'd not have stopped me)

While reading the group name, I see nothing that would stop me since it is
so ambiguous.

Red Hat Network of people who know stuff about Red Hat
Red Hat Network to help me figure out this damn gigabit card
Red Hat Network thingy that keeps me up to date ---- naw, that'd be a group
called up2date.

So I land here and see as many messages bitching about folks falling into
this group inappropriately as I do messages about problems/solutions for Red
Hat.

Yes, due to the incessant 'wrong list' bitching, I have also signed up for
the Nahant list. I would never have searched for that word since I refer to
my Red Hat as AS4.0 and not by Nahant [::makes quick check to make sure my
stuff is called Nahant - whew!::].

In the subject of the email confirming membership into this group (since the
body is blown off), put something like ***read this email to verify this
group is for you***. As many people will read the body of an expected group
entry confirmation email as do the EULA's. 

Bill Watson
bill at magicdigits.com

-----Original Message-----
From: rhn-users-bounces at redhat.com [mailto:rhn-users-bounces at redhat.com] On
Behalf Of Entrena Perez, Julio [HP]
Sent: Wednesday, January 24, 2007 7:49 AM
To: Discussions about Red Hat Network (rhn.redhat.com)
Subject: RE: [rhn-users] RHN List Membership


I agree with you Larry, but the lack of 'netiquette' that lots of people
show here posting non RHN related requests is draining a respectable amount
of my (our?) time and that's not the purpose of this support mailing list,
is it?

Of course all of us would prefer that this measure would not be necessary,
but some of us think it is.

Juli

-----Mensaje original-----
De: rhn-users-bounces at redhat.com [mailto:rhn-users-bounces at redhat.com] En
nombre de Larry D Sorensen Enviado el: mi?rcoles, 24 de enero de 2007 16:30
Para: rhn-users at redhat.com
Asunto: Re: [rhn-users] RHN List Membership

I thought the whole purpose of lists like this was to help out colleagues as
well as get help for ourselves if needed. If someone is way out of line for
this discussion list, why not just point them in the right direction? It is
not like we are all forced to respond to questions if we don't want to. This
is a support group.

On Wed, 24 Jan 2007 10:29:29 -0000 "Gibbons, Mark (BRA03)"
<Mark.Gibbons at hp.com> writes:
> Agreed
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: rhn-users-bounces at redhat.com
> [mailto:rhn-users-bounces at redhat.com] On Behalf Of E Azariah 
> Jason-G20266
> Sent: 24 January 2007 10:02
> To: Discussions about Red Hat Network (rhn.redhat.com)
> Subject: RE: [rhn-users] RHN List Membership
> 
> Me too agree with Mike
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: rhn-users-bounces at redhat.com
> [mailto:rhn-users-bounces at redhat.com] On Behalf Of Entrena Perez, 
> Julio [HP]
> Sent: Wednesday, January 24, 2007 3:27 PM
> To: Discussions about Red Hat Network (rhn.redhat.com)
> Subject: RE: [rhn-users] RHN List Membership
> 
> I agree with Mike.
> 
> Regards,
> Juli
> 
> -----Mensaje original-----
> De: rhn-users-bounces at redhat.com
> [mailto:rhn-users-bounces at redhat.com] En nombre de MJang Enviado el: 
> mi?rcoles, 24 de enero de 2007 7:52
> Para: Discussions about Red Hat Network (rhn.redhat.com)
> Asunto: [rhn-users] RHN List Membership
> 
> Folks,
> 
> With the constant discussion and complaints about "off-topic" stuff,
> I wonder if membership to this particular list should be limited.
> 
> As this list is focused on the RHN, and RHN access requires a paid
> subscription (except for trial users), perhaps membership should be 
> limited to registered RHN users (paid and trial).
> 
> There are several dozen lists (including those associated with RHEL
> 3 / RHEL 4 / RHEL 5 (beta) / various Fedora topics) for all levels 
> of users who don't need to know more about the RHN.
> 
> Thanks,
> Mike
> 
> _______________________________________________
> rhn-users mailing list
> rhn-users at redhat.com https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/rhn-users
> 
> _______________________________________________
> rhn-users mailing list
> rhn-users at redhat.com https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/rhn-users
> 
> _______________________________________________
> rhn-users mailing list
> rhn-users at redhat.com
> .com/mailman/listinfo/rhn-users
> 
> _______________________________________________
> rhn-users mailing list
> rhn-users at redhat.com https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/rhn-users
> 
> 

_______________________________________________
rhn-users mailing list
rhn-users at redhat.com https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/rhn-users

_______________________________________________
rhn-users mailing list
rhn-users at redhat.com https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/rhn-users





From jef_umd at umd.umich.edu  Wed Jan 24 16:36:04 2007
From: jef_umd at umd.umich.edu (jef e)
Date: Wed, 24 Jan 2007 11:36:04 -0500
Subject: [rhn-users] NIS or automounter problem
In-Reply-To: <45B77A30.80208@redhat.com>
References: <58FEF525AF1E664D9503ACDEAC926BBC01A23253@ZMY16EXM66.ds.mot.com>
	<45B6A6BC.5060507@sybase.com>
	<aabc145c0701231628w48b5cc5exa96b715b1be4c6cb@mail.gmail.com>
	<004901c73f6d$ce663b60$64011811@mutant>
	<e8a30f560701232140g2f6d3e1at190755518ca8745a@mail.gmail.com>
	<45B77A30.80208@redhat.com>
Message-ID: <45B78AF4.1030408@umd.umich.edu>

M?ir?n Duffy wrote:

> How did folks here initially find out about this list (if you can
> remember)?

I honestly don't remember. I *think* it was on the RHN help section,
here: https://rhn.redhat.com/help/contact.pxt


> Some ideas I had:
> 
> (1) We could make a policy that if an off-topic question is asked, we
> first let the question asker know that this is not the appropriate list
> and provide a list of links that might be helpful for them (I can come
> up with that list if needed, although the list info page is a good start
> [1]).

This helps, and a few folks have tried it in the past, but I think that
it gets frustrating when others start replying and answering the
questions anyhow. I tried a few weeks of relying off-list, but that too
got frustrating for the same reasons. There was no need for them to go
to the other lists because they were getting help here.


> (2) We could cc the reply with the quoted question to the appropriate
> list with the answer if we know it. (Is this terrible mailing list
> etiquette?)


Probably a bad idea, and confusing to people that are already confused
over what this list is for. And probably irksome if we cc the wrong list
ourselves ;-)


> (3) We could reply to the question asker privately (I think it's better
> for everyone if questions are answered publicly, though, for the benefit
> of folks running into the same problems in the future searching for an
> answer.)

This sounds like the right thing to do from a certain level, but doing
so continues to let this problem drag on. If off-topic discussions
aren't discouraged, they will never stop.


> (4) We could send out a monthly reminder to mailing list subscribers
> with an explanation of what the mailing list is about and redirects to
> other lists (I don't like the idea of sending out so much mail, but I'm
> on other mailing lists that do this - they send out their policies/rules
> on a monthly basis.)

I'm also on a few lists that do this. I'm not sure that it ever does
much good.

First, you have the new subscribers who join and then post their
off-topic question right away. They won't see a monthly mailing for it
to matter.

Second - and this relates to point #3 you made above - you have the long
time subscribers who, despite messages being off-topic,  let the
discussion continue by offering help via the list. I'm not saying that
people shouldn't offer help, I'm just saying that messages to this list
are *not* the place to do it. These folks might want to consider
replying off-list, letting the original sender know that the list isn't
the proper place to be looking for an answer.


This is probably too difficult to pull off, but I think that some
renaming of the lists would help. Names like Taroon-list and Nahant-list
mean hardly anything to me, since I am not a heavy Redhat user - what do
they mean to the brand new user? Probably even less. I think the "user'
in rhn-user pulls most of these folks in. So even redhat-list probably
gets overlooked because it isn't called redhat-user-list.We already know
that a lot of people can't be bothered to read what the lists are about,
so making the list names more clear might help to solve some of these
problems.

redhat-network-list might make a bit more sense and differentiate it
from a general users list. I dunno, though.

It's probably not do-able, but I think Mailman's "topics_enabled" Option
could help clean things up by requiring posts to have a keyword or 2 in
them. This would force people to maybe read the list information first?
However, I'm not sure it works with digest mode.

jef





From HowardC at prpa.org  Wed Jan 24 16:47:59 2007
From: HowardC at prpa.org (Howard, Chris)
Date: Wed, 24 Jan 2007 09:47:59 -0700
Subject: [rhn-users] List confusions
In-Reply-To: <45B78AF4.1030408@umd.umich.edu>
Message-ID: <1305E9F69BC3CE49ABCDC8E00492F702015ED0B6@titan.internal.prpa.org>

 
This is a "me too" post.

I also found myself confused by the name of the list
and ended up here even though this is not what I first expected.

I thought that the name implied that this list was an adjunct
to the paid-for service of red hat support, and that it would
have red hat employees on here willing to help me solve problems
with my red hat system.... similar to the forums on Oracle's Metalink...
and in contrast to a more "fellow pilgrims struggling with redhat" type
of support.

But as you know, that isn't it at all.

I think kind redirection to other lists is good.
I think a list purpose email sent once a month would be good.
(Otherwise I don't think there would be much traffic here at all.)

I think that some compassion for other wandering souls is appropriate.

(And I still don't know which list actually has the ear of redhat
support.  So if I run into any problem I will use the telephone.)

Chris Howard
Platte River Power Authority
howardc at prpa.org




-----Original Message-----
From: rhn-users-bounces at redhat.com [mailto:rhn-users-bounces at redhat.com] On Behalf Of jef e
Sent: Wednesday, January 24, 2007 9:36 AM
To: Discussions about Red Hat Network (rhn.redhat.com)
Subject: Re: [rhn-users] NIS or automounter problem

M?ir?n Duffy wrote:

> How did folks here initially find out about this list (if you can
> remember)?

I honestly don't remember. I *think* it was on the RHN help section,
here: https://rhn.redhat.com/help/contact.pxt


> Some ideas I had:
> 
> (1) We could make a policy that if an off-topic question is asked, we
> first let the question asker know that this is not the appropriate list
> and provide a list of links that might be helpful for them (I can come
> up with that list if needed, although the list info page is a good start
> [1]).

This helps, and a few folks have tried it in the past, but I think that
it gets frustrating when others start replying and answering the
questions anyhow. I tried a few weeks of relying off-list, but that too
got frustrating for the same reasons. There was no need for them to go
to the other lists because they were getting help here.


> (2) We could cc the reply with the quoted question to the appropriate
> list with the answer if we know it. (Is this terrible mailing list
> etiquette?)


Probably a bad idea, and confusing to people that are already confused
over what this list is for. And probably irksome if we cc the wrong list
ourselves ;-)


> (3) We could reply to the question asker privately (I think it's better
> for everyone if questions are answered publicly, though, for the benefit
> of folks running into the same problems in the future searching for an
> answer.)

This sounds like the right thing to do from a certain level, but doing
so continues to let this problem drag on. If off-topic discussions
aren't discouraged, they will never stop.


> (4) We could send out a monthly reminder to mailing list subscribers
> with an explanation of what the mailing list is about and redirects to
> other lists (I don't like the idea of sending out so much mail, but I'm
> on other mailing lists that do this - they send out their policies/rules
> on a monthly basis.)

I'm also on a few lists that do this. I'm not sure that it ever does
much good.

First, you have the new subscribers who join and then post their
off-topic question right away. They won't see a monthly mailing for it
to matter.

Second - and this relates to point #3 you made above - you have the long
time subscribers who, despite messages being off-topic,  let the
discussion continue by offering help via the list. I'm not saying that
people shouldn't offer help, I'm just saying that messages to this list
are *not* the place to do it. These folks might want to consider
replying off-list, letting the original sender know that the list isn't
the proper place to be looking for an answer.


This is probably too difficult to pull off, but I think that some
renaming of the lists would help. Names like Taroon-list and Nahant-list
mean hardly anything to me, since I am not a heavy Redhat user - what do
they mean to the brand new user? Probably even less. I think the "user'
in rhn-user pulls most of these folks in. So even redhat-list probably
gets overlooked because it isn't called redhat-user-list.We already know
that a lot of people can't be bothered to read what the lists are about,
so making the list names more clear might help to solve some of these
problems.

redhat-network-list might make a bit more sense and differentiate it
from a general users list. I dunno, though.

It's probably not do-able, but I think Mailman's "topics_enabled" Option
could help clean things up by requiring posts to have a keyword or 2 in
them. This would force people to maybe read the list information first?
However, I'm not sure it works with digest mode.

jef



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From inode0 at gmail.com  Wed Jan 24 17:23:36 2007
From: inode0 at gmail.com (inode0)
Date: Wed, 24 Jan 2007 11:23:36 -0600
Subject: [rhn-users] List confusions
In-Reply-To: <1305E9F69BC3CE49ABCDC8E00492F702015ED0B6@titan.internal.prpa.org>
References: <45B78AF4.1030408@umd.umich.edu>
	<1305E9F69BC3CE49ABCDC8E00492F702015ED0B6@titan.internal.prpa.org>
Message-ID: <e8a30f560701240923y77dd746fob086ed75de4985c1@mail.gmail.com>

On 1/24/07, Howard, Chris <HowardC at prpa.org> wrote:
>
> This is a "me too" post.
>
> I also found myself confused by the name of the list
> and ended up here even though this is not what I first expected.

I think it is pretty clear that the name confuses people and at this
point the content also confuses people since wildly off topic
questions are routinely answered by the friendly people on this list.

> I thought that the name implied that this list was an adjunct
> to the paid-for service of red hat support, and that it would
> have red hat employees on here willing to help me solve problems
> with my red hat system.... similar to the forums on Oracle's Metalink...
> and in contrast to a more "fellow pilgrims struggling with redhat" type
> of support.

It is too bad that there aren't many lists where Red Hat folks are
heavily involved but that sort of thing doesn't mesh as well with Red
Hat's business model I'm afraid.

> But as you know, that isn't it at all.
>
> I think kind redirection to other lists is good.

This mostly results in mad people annoyed by the attempted
redirection. Sometimes the poster takes it personally, sometimes
others on the list think differently and just want to help everyone
here.

> I think a list purpose email sent once a month would be good.

No one would read it.

> (Otherwise I don't think there would be much traffic here at all.)

This is true. Glancing at the archives for the past few months one
can't help but notice how few posts there are that have anything to do
with RHN. Is RHN just wonderful and doesn't need a discussion list?
Have most people who are interested in RHN just gone away or no longer
are willing to wade through the non-RHN material to even notice the on
topic posts?

> I think that some compassion for other wandering souls is appropriate.

Some compassion can go both ways. Those wishing to have list with an
RHN focus should get a little compassion too.

> (And I still don't know which list actually has the ear of redhat
> support.  So if I run into any problem I will use the telephone.)

I will say in my experience on this list I do believe on topic posts
do get noticed by Red Hat folks. Replies are normally off list
however. And replies often are of the "you are asking about this in
the wrong place" variety. Replies are also often quite helpful but
can't be addressed here for various reasons. To be fair to Red Hat
about this though we must understand the point of this list isn't for
us to have a dialog with Red Hat staff. The point is for us to have a
discussion with other Red Hat Network users.

So I'm not sure there is any point in keeping this list as it
currently stands. It is just another redhat-list and since that list
already exists we would be better off if all these questions went to
it. Why have multiple general catch-all questions lists? Perhaps a
rebirth of this list with a new name could revive its use as a forum
to discuss Red Hat Network.

John



From lalopel75 at hotmail.com  Wed Jan 24 17:43:26 2007
From: lalopel75 at hotmail.com (Lalo Pelcastre)
Date: Wed, 24 Jan 2007 11:43:26 -0600
Subject: [rhn-users] RHN List Membership
In-Reply-To: <20070124.083008.924.0.larry.sorensen@juno.com>
Message-ID: <BAY119-F49FFE43B31DCD912FAABEBAAC0@phx.gbl>

agree with you just paid subscription

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>I thought the whole purpose of lists like this was to help out colleagues
>as well as get help for ourselves if needed. If someone is way out of
>line for this discussion list, why not just point them in the right
>direction? It is not like we are all forced to respond to questions if we
>don't want to. This is a support group.
>
>On Wed, 24 Jan 2007 10:29:29 -0000 "Gibbons, Mark (BRA03)"
><Mark.Gibbons at hp.com> writes:
> > Agreed
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: rhn-users-bounces at redhat.com
> > [mailto:rhn-users-bounces at redhat.com] On Behalf Of E Azariah
> > Jason-G20266
> > Sent: 24 January 2007 10:02
> > To: Discussions about Red Hat Network (rhn.redhat.com)
> > Subject: RE: [rhn-users] RHN List Membership
> >
> > Me too agree with Mike
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: rhn-users-bounces at redhat.com
> > [mailto:rhn-users-bounces at redhat.com] On Behalf Of Entrena Perez,
> > Julio [HP]
> > Sent: Wednesday, January 24, 2007 3:27 PM
> > To: Discussions about Red Hat Network (rhn.redhat.com)
> > Subject: RE: [rhn-users] RHN List Membership
> >
> > I agree with Mike.
> >
> > Regards,
> > Juli
> >
> > -----Mensaje original-----
> > De: rhn-users-bounces at redhat.com
> > [mailto:rhn-users-bounces at redhat.com] En nombre de MJang Enviado el:
> > mi?rcoles, 24 de enero de 2007 7:52
> > Para: Discussions about Red Hat Network (rhn.redhat.com)
> > Asunto: [rhn-users] RHN List Membership
> >
> > Folks,
> >
> > With the constant discussion and complaints about "off-topic" stuff,
> > I wonder if membership to this particular list should be limited.
> >
> > As this list is focused on the RHN, and RHN access requires a paid
> > subscription (except for trial users), perhaps membership should be
> > limited to registered RHN users (paid and trial).
> >
> > There are several dozen lists (including those associated with RHEL
> > 3 / RHEL 4 / RHEL 5 (beta) / various Fedora topics) for all levels
> > of users who don't need to know more about the RHN.
> >
> > Thanks,
> > Mike
> >
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From tom at riverscomputers.com  Wed Jan 24 18:22:00 2007
From: tom at riverscomputers.com (Tom Rivers)
Date: Wed, 24 Jan 2007 13:22:00 -0500
Subject: [rhn-users] RHN List Membership
In-Reply-To: <007701c73fd3$95453aa0$09000032@bill>
References: <007701c73fd3$95453aa0$09000032@bill>
Message-ID: <45B7A3C8.9090500@riverscomputers.com>

Bill Watson wrote:
> In the subject of the email confirming membership into this group (since the
> body is blown off), put something like ***read this email to verify this
> group is for you***. As many people will read the body of an expected group
> entry confirmation email as do the EULA's. 
>
>   
Hi Bill,

An alternative would be to use the link that is at the bottom of every 
message from the list.  This is the one to which I am referring:

https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/rhn-users

Notice how the URL has the string "listinfo" on it.  If you follow the 
link, you will go to a web page that says stuff like this:

================

Discussions about using Red Hat Network to manage and apply updates to 
Red Hat Enterprise Linux, including discussion about particular Red Hat 
Enterprise Linux updates.

This list is not intended for discussion about topics specific to Red 
Hat Enterprise Linux that do not involve Red Hat Network. For discussion 
of such topics, you may want to try:

[1] RHEL 4 Discussion - https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/nahant-list
[2] RHEL 3 Discussion - https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/taroon-list
[3] Red Hat System Administrators' list:
https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/redhat-sysadmin-list

To see the collection of prior postings to the list, visit the rhn-users 
Archives <https://www.redhat.com/archives/rhn-users/>.

===================

The funny thing about all of this "I don't know what this list is for" 
stuff is that people evidently don't even bother to read the information 
at the top of the page they would use to subscribe to the list!  It 
clearly tells them not only what the list they are about to subscribe to 
is all about, but it also directs them where to go to find lists for 
other subjects.  Anyone who fails to pay attention to something overtly 
posted that directly concerns them really shouldn't bother complaining.

What people should do is ask where they should go for help if they can't 
follow directions instead of just blindly asking their questions on 
whatever list they happened to bump into in their travels.  That is 
really the polite thing to do.  The fact that some have called attention 
to this isn't the problem at all.  The problem is that some people just 
don't seem to want to pay attention to what is clearly right in front of 
them.


Tom




From akrherz at iastate.edu  Wed Jan 24 18:26:50 2007
From: akrherz at iastate.edu (Daryl Herzmann)
Date: Wed, 24 Jan 2007 12:26:50 -0600 (CST)
Subject: [rhn-users] Why no fix to daily RHN status emails
Message-ID: <Pine.LNX.4.61.0701241219580.5517@akrherz-laptop.agron.iastate.edu>

Hi,

For quite some time, I've noticed a simple spacing issue in the daily 
emails from RHN (hosted).  It appears like so:

Systems Not Checking In:
-------------------------
The following systems recently stopped checking in with Red Hat Network:

System Id      System Name    Last Checkin
1006863445xxxx.iastate.edu2007-01-08 20:42:54.0
1007038023xxxxx.iastate.edu2007-01-08 20:02:43.0

Poking around bugzilla, this is found:

https://bugzilla.redhat.com/bugzilla/show_bug.cgi?id=198273

My goodness, posted 10 July 2006!  You would think this is a simple fix, 
but that bugzilla entry got wrapped up other enhancements or something and 
currently has FAILS_QA!   What is going on?

I opened a support ticket to try and figure out what is going on and am 
told it will be fixed in March!

Perhaps fixing simple spacing takes 8 months, considering it took 2 months 
just to get Auto-apply errata working again last year.


daryl



From HowardC at prpa.org  Wed Jan 24 18:32:09 2007
From: HowardC at prpa.org (Howard, Chris)
Date: Wed, 24 Jan 2007 11:32:09 -0700
Subject: [rhn-users] RHN List Membership
In-Reply-To: <45B7A3C8.9090500@riverscomputers.com>
Message-ID: <1305E9F69BC3CE49ABCDC8E00492F702015ED0DA@titan.internal.prpa.org>

 
> The funny thing about all of this "I don't know what this list is for"

> stuff is that people evidently don't even bother to read the
information 
> at the top of the page they would use to subscribe to the list! 

Which is a tremendous improvement from what was there when I signed up.

Chris



From duffy at redhat.com  Wed Jan 24 19:02:39 2007
From: duffy at redhat.com (=?ISO-8859-1?Q?M=E1ir=EDn_Duffy?=)
Date: Wed, 24 Jan 2007 14:02:39 -0500
Subject: [rhn-users] Why no fix to daily RHN status emails
In-Reply-To: <Pine.LNX.4.61.0701241219580.5517@akrherz-laptop.agron.iastate.edu>
References: <Pine.LNX.4.61.0701241219580.5517@akrherz-laptop.agron.iastate.edu>
Message-ID: <45B7AD4F.1060406@redhat.com>

Hi Daryl,

Daryl Herzmann wrote:
> https://bugzilla.redhat.com/bugzilla/show_bug.cgi?id=198273
> 
> My goodness, posted 10 July 2006!  You would think this is a simple fix, 
> but that bugzilla entry got wrapped up other enhancements or something 
> and currently has FAILS_QA!   What is going on?
> 
> I opened a support ticket to try and figure out what is going on and am 
> told it will be fixed in March!
> 
> Perhaps fixing simple spacing takes 8 months, considering it took 2 
> months just to get Auto-apply errata working again last year.

Unfortunately, the complexity of a fix for an issue isn't the only 
factor in determining how quickly the fix will be released.

I completely understand your confusion at why such a simple bug could 
not be fixed quickly, but please understand that the development and 
maintenance of a product as large as Red Hat Network is more complex 
than it appears on the surface. It was determined that this bug would 
most appropriately be aligned to the RHN 5.0 release, considering a 
number of factors including bugs of higher priority and severity and 
available resources. Since this bug was aligned to the RHN 5.0 release, 
it might be fixed in March since that is the current tentative release 
date for RHN 5.0.

The 'FAILS_QA' state of that bug in particular means it's already been 
reviewed by QA and some progress has been made towards addressing the 
issue. It's quite typical for bugs to flip between FAILS_QA and ON_QA 
during the development process.

I hope this explanation helps; in either case I apologize about the bug.

~m



From akrherz at iastate.edu  Wed Jan 24 19:24:49 2007
From: akrherz at iastate.edu (Daryl Herzmann)
Date: Wed, 24 Jan 2007 13:24:49 -0600 (CST)
Subject: [rhn-users] Why no fix to daily RHN status emails
In-Reply-To: <45B7AD4F.1060406@redhat.com>
References: <Pine.LNX.4.61.0701241219580.5517@akrherz-laptop.agron.iastate.edu>
	<45B7AD4F.1060406@redhat.com>
Message-ID: <Pine.LNX.4.61.0701241311300.5517@akrherz-laptop.agron.iastate.edu>

Hello again Marian,

On Wed, 24 Jan 2007, M?ir?n Duffy wrote:

> Unfortunately, the complexity of a fix for an issue isn't the only 
> factor in determining how quickly the fix will be released.

It bugs me when the same QA system failed to stop a bug then stops the 
fixing of the bug.  Seriously, the patch to fix this is 1 or 2 lines of 
code?  Hard to tell since RHN server is proprietary.

> I completely understand your confusion at why such a simple bug could 
> not be fixed quickly, but please understand that the development and 
> maintenance of a product as large as Red Hat Network is more complex 
> than it appears on the surface.

I'll have to trust you, since so much of the development occurs outside of 
the public's view.  And, of course, we can't see the source code.

> It was determined that this bug would most appropriately be aligned to 
> the RHN 5.0 release, considering a number of factors including bugs of 
> higher priority and severity and available resources. Since this bug was 
> aligned to the RHN 5.0 release, it might be fixed in March since that is 
> the current tentative release date for RHN 5.0.

Has anything about RHN 5 been posted to this list?  Perhaps public vetting 
of new features would be useful.  I would really like to see an API 
addition, but so far, no comments on the bug.

https://bugzilla.redhat.com/bugzilla/show_bug.cgi?id=216694


> The 'FAILS_QA' state of that bug in particular means it's already been 
> reviewed by QA and some progress has been made towards addressing the 
> issue. It's quite typical for bugs to flip between FAILS_QA and ON_QA 
> during the development process.

How big is the patch to fix this issue?  It would be nice to see the 
source code and perhaps offer patches and such.

> I hope this explanation helps; in either case I apologize about the bug.

I appreciate you actually working with users on this list.  It would be 
nice if redhat considered open sourcing rhn server so that users could see 
the development process and what is going on...

https://bugzilla.redhat.com/bugzilla/show_bug.cgi?id=166615


daryl

From esteteh at hotmail.com  Wed Jan 24 20:43:52 2007
From: esteteh at hotmail.com (rezek m esteteh esteteh)
Date: Wed, 24 Jan 2007 20:43:52 +0000
Subject: [rhn-users] RHN List Membership
In-Reply-To: <1305E9F69BC3CE49ABCDC8E00492F702015ED0DA@titan.internal.prpa.org>
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From hugo.simon at gmx.de  Wed Jan 24 22:13:28 2007
From: hugo.simon at gmx.de (Hugo Simon)
Date: Wed, 24 Jan 2007 23:13:28 +0100
Subject: [rhn-users] NIS or automounter problem
References: <58FEF525AF1E664D9503ACDEAC926BBC01A23253@ZMY16EXM66.ds.mot.com><45B6A6BC.5060507@sybase.com><aabc145c0701231628w48b5cc5exa96b715b1be4c6cb@mail.gmail.com><004901c73f6d$ce663b60$64011811@mutant><e8a30f560701232140g2f6d3e1at190755518ca8745a@mail.gmail.com><001f01c73f83$276b5640$2864a8c0@PC1>
	<e8a30f560701240725td3393bcv9bc3712207735067@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <007301c74004$e044ca80$2864a8c0@PC1>

> any more than that. No one is flaming you for asking an off topic
> question and no one is calling your question stupid. But if off topic
> questions are always answered here without any comment about them
> being off topic no one will ever learn, will they?
It's the kind of telling me about being off-topic. The one who complained,
didn't address me directly like saying: "sorry, your question ist off-topic
here, please ask in the list xxx"

No, he complains another one who answered my questions. Like "Ey, why do you
answer off-topic questions here. This is an attack against one nice gui who
liked to help. And for me it is not very helpful. I don't know where to ask
even now. I had a server crash and hoped for quick help. Ok, maybe I am
off-topic, I am sorry for that. But why some people react like I am bad guy
instead of pointing me in the right direction.

Ok, maybe I over reacted a bit. But for me it is very frustrating. I tried
many Linux Lists, even a Linux Newbies List in the past. And even there you
get flamed if you asks something which is documentated somewhere in the
thousand man pages.

Again, if someone complains about my fault being off-topic or so, it is
about _how_ he does this. He can say this nice and friendly and all is ok.
And if points the questioner in the right direction it is better, yes it is
indeed helpful.

BTW.: Someone says this list should be for paying RHN users. I _am_ such
guy, but I think not for long. :-(



From hugo.simon at gmx.de  Wed Jan 24 22:14:22 2007
From: hugo.simon at gmx.de (Hugo Simon)
Date: Wed, 24 Jan 2007 23:14:22 +0100
Subject: [rhn-users] RHN List Membership
References: <20070124.083008.924.0.larry.sorensen@juno.com>
Message-ID: <007901c74005$0076d370$2864a8c0@PC1>

> I thought the whole purpose of lists like this was to help out colleagues
> as well as get help for ourselves if needed. If someone is way out of
> line for this discussion list, why not just point them in the right
> direction? It is not like we are all forced to respond to questions if we
> don't want to. This is a support group.
BRAVO!!!
Hurra!!!
I could not say it better!
Thank you.

Thorsten



From hugo.simon at gmx.de  Wed Jan 24 22:32:07 2007
From: hugo.simon at gmx.de (Hugo Simon)
Date: Wed, 24 Jan 2007 23:32:07 +0100
Subject: [rhn-users] RHN List Membership
References: <007701c73fd3$95453aa0$09000032@bill>
	<45B7A3C8.9090500@riverscomputers.com>
Message-ID: <00b001c74007$7b056b90$2864a8c0@PC1>

> Discussions about using Red Hat Network to manage and apply updates to
> Red Hat Enterprise Linux, including discussion about particular Red Hat
> Enterprise Linux updates.
Since I am the bad guy who started this all I want to say why or how I got
into this group.
_Because_ of this discussion I realize what RedHat Network is for the first
time. "My" Redhat update software is named Up2Date, not RH Network.

The support website of Redhat, that thing where you have to pay for and
login and so is called RedHat Network, not Redhat Support or something like
this. Ok, there is an menu entry in the RH Network website called support.

So for me was clear, even when I read the above description, Redhat Network
is the group of people (=network) that use RedHat. Never knew until now that
RHN is the software deployment tool up2date.

Thorsten



From d.qureshi at mdx.ac.uk  Thu Jan 25 12:32:38 2007
From: d.qureshi at mdx.ac.uk (d.qureshi at mdx.ac.uk)
Date: Thu, 25 Jan 2007 12:32:38 +0000 (GMT)
Subject: [rhn-users] RHN List Membership
Message-ID: <01MCCH94L3TU8WX3IE@cluster.mdx.ac.uk>

I totally share and support your view on this matter.

> I thought the whole purpose of lists like this was to help out colleagues
> as well as get help for ourselves if needed. If someone is way out of
> line for this discussion list, why not just point them in the right
> direction? It is not like we are all forced to respond to questions if we
> don't want to. This is a support group.
>BRAVO!!!
>Hurra!!!
>I could not say it better!
>Thank you.
>
>Thorsten
>
>_______________________________________________



From Nick.Thompson at comtrol.com  Thu Jan 25 15:42:02 2007
From: Nick.Thompson at comtrol.com (Nick Thompson)
Date: Thu, 25 Jan 2007 09:42:02 -0600
Subject: [rhn-users] RHN List Membership
In-Reply-To: <01MCCH94L3TU8WX3IE@cluster.mdx.ac.uk>
Message-ID: <B1F576FE19C55C43B8D2E31F061B50C00E4511@exchange.comtrol.com>

I agree as well.

Nick

-----Original Message-----
From: rhn-users-bounces at redhat.com
[mailto:rhn-users-bounces at redhat.com]On Behalf Of d.qureshi at mdx.ac.uk
Sent: Thursday, January 25, 2007 6:33 AM
To: rhn-users at redhat.com
Subject: Re: [rhn-users] RHN List Membership


I totally share and support your view on this matter.

> I thought the whole purpose of lists like this was to help out colleagues
> as well as get help for ourselves if needed. If someone is way out of
> line for this discussion list, why not just point them in the right
> direction? It is not like we are all forced to respond to questions if we
> don't want to. This is a support group.
>BRAVO!!!
>Hurra!!!
>I could not say it better!
>Thank you.
>
>Thorsten
>
>_______________________________________________

_______________________________________________
rhn-users mailing list
rhn-users at redhat.com
https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/rhn-users



From tom at riverscomputers.com  Thu Jan 25 18:46:38 2007
From: tom at riverscomputers.com (Tom Rivers)
Date: Thu, 25 Jan 2007 13:46:38 -0500
Subject: [rhn-users] RHN List Membership
In-Reply-To: <B1F576FE19C55C43B8D2E31F061B50C00E4511@exchange.comtrol.com>
References: <B1F576FE19C55C43B8D2E31F061B50C00E4511@exchange.comtrol.com>
Message-ID: <45B8FB0E.7020803@riverscomputers.com>

Nick Thompson wrote:
> I agree as well.
>
> Nick
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: rhn-users-bounces at redhat.com
> [mailto:rhn-users-bounces at redhat.com]On Behalf Of d.qureshi at mdx.ac.uk
> Sent: Thursday, January 25, 2007 6:33 AM
> To: rhn-users at redhat.com
> Subject: Re: [rhn-users] RHN List Membership
>
>
> I totally share and support your view on this matter.
>
>   
>> I thought the whole purpose of lists like this was to help out colleagues
>> as well as get help for ourselves if needed. If someone is way out of
>> line for this discussion list, why not just point them in the right
>> direction? It is not like we are all forced to respond to questions if we
>> don't want to. This is a support group.
>> BRAVO!!!
>> Hurra!!!
>> I could not say it better!
>> Thank you.
>>
>> Thorsten
>>
>> _______________________________________________
>>     
I think the point of this particular discussion has been lost.  Nobody 
is saying that people who have questions should not be helped.  If 
someone has said that, then I want to be on record as saying that is not 
what I believe or is it what I think the vast majority of people on this 
list believe either.  The problem is people who evidently don't bother 
to read the description at the top of the web page used to sign up for 
this list.  The page in question, 
https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/rhn-users, explicitly says what 
this list is about:

"This list is not intended for discussion about topics specific to Red 
Hat Enterprise Linux that do not involve Red Hat Network. For discussion 
of such topics, you may want to try..."

It even gives links to the lists for general questions for both RHEL V3 
and V4.  So for anyone who is paying attention, the message is clear.  
As for the argument that some people don't know what Red Hat Network 
really is, the sentence above unambiguously says this list is NOT about 
topics specific to Red Hat Enterprise Linux.  Is that really so hard to 
understand?  To me it seems obvious that anyone who has a specific 
question regarding Red Hat Enterprise Linux should NOT expect to get 
answers by joining this list.

Polite people don't just jump into a new community with the expectation 
of getting answers to off-topic questions.  A polite person, faced with 
the uncertainty of whether or not this list is the proper place for a 
particular question, would ask for help finding the proper place to get 
help.  Instead it seems commonplace that users who should have paid 
attention to the overtly posted purpose of this list just jump right in 
and start asking whatever question comes to mind.  That's fine, but to 
expect NOT to be corrected for such obviously poor social and reading 
comprehension skills is ridiculous.

As to the point "the whole purpose of lists like this was to help out 
colleagues as well as get help for ourselves if needed", I don't 
disagree.  "Lists like this" certainly do perform that function.  
However you don't ask RHEL questions on an RHN list any more than you 
would bring your Ford to the local Toyota mechanic.  There is a proper 
place for all of these questions and it doesn't take a rocket scientist 
to understand that.

The bottom line is that there are rules covering how this list operates 
just like there are rules that govern almost every aspect of life.  If 
you post off-topic, then you're breaking the rules.  If someone tells 
you you're breaking the rules and you get upset that you were corrected, 
grow up.  Following rules is the right thing to do and it is also the 
polite thing to do.  That's really how simple this whole issue really is.


Tom



From robert at pottsdata.com  Thu Jan 25 19:10:54 2007
From: robert at pottsdata.com (Robert Potts)
Date: Thu, 25 Jan 2007 12:10:54 -0700
Subject: [rhn-users] RHN List Membership
In-Reply-To: <45B8FB0E.7020803@riverscomputers.com>
References: <B1F576FE19C55C43B8D2E31F061B50C00E4511@exchange.comtrol.com>
	<45B8FB0E.7020803@riverscomputers.com>
Message-ID: <45B900BE.4030008@pottsdata.com>

"I thought the whole purpose of lists like this was to help out colleagues
as well as get help for ourselves if needed. If someone is way out of
line for this discussion list, why not just point them in the right
direction?"

You got that right.

Every list I belong to and ever have belonged to has had this come up as 
an issue many times.

People are people, you can fight human nature, but the reality is 
evolution takes a long time, and we ain't so far out of the jungle as we 
think.  I tend to piss a lot of people off on this list when I get mad 
at the way RHN does its business and suggest people move to OpenBSD.  
Well, thanks for putting up with me is all I can ultimately say.

And you know what else?  Sometimes people post something off-topic for 
the list that is actually very interesting and informative.  So it works 
both ways.

Prob'ly made some people mad, again, ok, here come the rocks and 
garbage, again.  Take your best shot...

-Robert (aka "Troll", "A**hole", "Moron", and a host of other colorful 
nicknames people have applied ;^)

Tom Rivers wrote:
> Nick Thompson wrote:
>> I agree as well.
>>
>> Nick
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: rhn-users-bounces at redhat.com
>> [mailto:rhn-users-bounces at redhat.com]On Behalf Of d.qureshi at mdx.ac.uk
>> Sent: Thursday, January 25, 2007 6:33 AM
>> To: rhn-users at redhat.com
>> Subject: Re: [rhn-users] RHN List Membership
>>
>>
>> I totally share and support your view on this matter.
>>
>>  
>>> I thought the whole purpose of lists like this was to help out 
>>> colleagues
>>> as well as get help for ourselves if needed. If someone is way out of
>>> line for this discussion list, why not just point them in the right
>>> direction? It is not like we are all forced to respond to questions 
>>> if we
>>> don't want to. This is a support group.
>>> BRAVO!!!
>>> Hurra!!!
>>> I could not say it better!
>>> Thank you.
>>>
>>> Thorsten
>>>
>>> _______________________________________________
>>>     
> I think the point of this particular discussion has been lost.  Nobody 
> is saying that people who have questions should not be helped.  If 
> someone has said that, then I want to be on record as saying that is 
> not what I believe or is it what I think the vast majority of people 
> on this list believe either.  The problem is people who evidently 
> don't bother to read the description at the top of the web page used 
> to sign up for this list.  The page in question, 
> https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/rhn-users, explicitly says 
> what this list is about:
>
> "This list is not intended for discussion about topics specific to Red 
> Hat Enterprise Linux that do not involve Red Hat Network. For 
> discussion of such topics, you may want to try..."
>
> It even gives links to the lists for general questions for both RHEL 
> V3 and V4.  So for anyone who is paying attention, the message is 
> clear.  As for the argument that some people don't know what Red Hat 
> Network really is, the sentence above unambiguously says this list is 
> NOT about topics specific to Red Hat Enterprise Linux.  Is that really 
> so hard to understand?  To me it seems obvious that anyone who has a 
> specific question regarding Red Hat Enterprise Linux should NOT expect 
> to get answers by joining this list.
>
> Polite people don't just jump into a new community with the 
> expectation of getting answers to off-topic questions.  A polite 
> person, faced with the uncertainty of whether or not this list is the 
> proper place for a particular question, would ask for help finding the 
> proper place to get help.  Instead it seems commonplace that users who 
> should have paid attention to the overtly posted purpose of this list 
> just jump right in and start asking whatever question comes to mind.  
> That's fine, but to expect NOT to be corrected for such obviously poor 
> social and reading comprehension skills is ridiculous.
>
> As to the point "the whole purpose of lists like this was to help out 
> colleagues as well as get help for ourselves if needed", I don't 
> disagree.  "Lists like this" certainly do perform that function.  
> However you don't ask RHEL questions on an RHN list any more than you 
> would bring your Ford to the local Toyota mechanic.  There is a proper 
> place for all of these questions and it doesn't take a rocket 
> scientist to understand that.
>
> The bottom line is that there are rules covering how this list 
> operates just like there are rules that govern almost every aspect of 
> life.  If you post off-topic, then you're breaking the rules.  If 
> someone tells you you're breaking the rules and you get upset that you 
> were corrected, grow up.  Following rules is the right thing to do and 
> it is also the polite thing to do.  That's really how simple this 
> whole issue really is.
>
>
> Tom
>
> _______________________________________________
> rhn-users mailing list
> rhn-users at redhat.com
> https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/rhn-users
>
> .
>



From michael.mansour at hp.com  Sun Jan 28 23:34:14 2007
From: michael.mansour at hp.com (Mansour, Michael)
Date: Mon, 29 Jan 2007 07:34:14 +0800
Subject: [rhn-users] RHN List Membership
In-Reply-To: <45B900BE.4030008@pottsdata.com>
Message-ID: <58727644D357E1429F7095BD0A297094044ADB20@sgpexc05.asiapacific.cpqcorp.net>

Hi Robert,

The problem (for me) with off-topic messages is they take time to wade
through, there's only so many work hours in the day.

Being a member of many lists (around 50), you can imagine it takes a lot
of time to wade through.

With lists that are mostly off-topic, people (like me) will just leave
them.

Who ends up losing? The people subscribed to the list that want the help
of "guru's" that have left the list because of the noise levels.

Regards,

Michael.

-----Original Message-----
From: rhn-users-bounces at redhat.com [mailto:rhn-users-bounces at redhat.com]
On Behalf Of Robert Potts
Sent: Friday, 26 January 2007 6:11 AM
To: Discussions about Red Hat Network (rhn.redhat.com)
Subject: Re: [rhn-users] RHN List Membership

"I thought the whole purpose of lists like this was to help out
colleagues as well as get help for ourselves if needed. If someone is
way out of line for this discussion list, why not just point them in the
right direction?"

You got that right.

Every list I belong to and ever have belonged to has had this come up as
an issue many times.

People are people, you can fight human nature, but the reality is
evolution takes a long time, and we ain't so far out of the jungle as we
think.  I tend to piss a lot of people off on this list when I get mad
at the way RHN does its business and suggest people move to OpenBSD.  
Well, thanks for putting up with me is all I can ultimately say.

And you know what else?  Sometimes people post something off-topic for
the list that is actually very interesting and informative.  So it works
both ways.

Prob'ly made some people mad, again, ok, here come the rocks and
garbage, again.  Take your best shot...

-Robert (aka "Troll", "A**hole", "Moron", and a host of other colorful
nicknames people have applied ;^)

Tom Rivers wrote:
> Nick Thompson wrote:
>> I agree as well.
>>
>> Nick
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: rhn-users-bounces at redhat.com
>> [mailto:rhn-users-bounces at redhat.com]On Behalf Of d.qureshi at mdx.ac.uk
>> Sent: Thursday, January 25, 2007 6:33 AM
>> To: rhn-users at redhat.com
>> Subject: Re: [rhn-users] RHN List Membership
>>
>>
>> I totally share and support your view on this matter.
>>
>>  
>>> I thought the whole purpose of lists like this was to help out 
>>> colleagues as well as get help for ourselves if needed. If someone 
>>> is way out of line for this discussion list, why not just point them

>>> in the right direction? It is not like we are all forced to respond 
>>> to questions if we don't want to. This is a support group.
>>> BRAVO!!!
>>> Hurra!!!
>>> I could not say it better!
>>> Thank you.
>>>
>>> Thorsten
>>>
>>> _______________________________________________
>>>     
> I think the point of this particular discussion has been lost.  Nobody

> is saying that people who have questions should not be helped.  If 
> someone has said that, then I want to be on record as saying that is 
> not what I believe or is it what I think the vast majority of people 
> on this list believe either.  The problem is people who evidently 
> don't bother to read the description at the top of the web page used 
> to sign up for this list.  The page in question, 
> https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/rhn-users, explicitly says 
> what this list is about:
>
> "This list is not intended for discussion about topics specific to Red

> Hat Enterprise Linux that do not involve Red Hat Network. For 
> discussion of such topics, you may want to try..."
>
> It even gives links to the lists for general questions for both RHEL
> V3 and V4.  So for anyone who is paying attention, the message is 
> clear.  As for the argument that some people don't know what Red Hat 
> Network really is, the sentence above unambiguously says this list is 
> NOT about topics specific to Red Hat Enterprise Linux.  Is that really

> so hard to understand?  To me it seems obvious that anyone who has a 
> specific question regarding Red Hat Enterprise Linux should NOT expect

> to get answers by joining this list.
>
> Polite people don't just jump into a new community with the 
> expectation of getting answers to off-topic questions.  A polite 
> person, faced with the uncertainty of whether or not this list is the 
> proper place for a particular question, would ask for help finding the

> proper place to get help.  Instead it seems commonplace that users who

> should have paid attention to the overtly posted purpose of this list 
> just jump right in and start asking whatever question comes to mind.
> That's fine, but to expect NOT to be corrected for such obviously poor

> social and reading comprehension skills is ridiculous.
>
> As to the point "the whole purpose of lists like this was to help out 
> colleagues as well as get help for ourselves if needed", I don't 
> disagree.  "Lists like this" certainly do perform that function.
> However you don't ask RHEL questions on an RHN list any more than you 
> would bring your Ford to the local Toyota mechanic.  There is a proper

> place for all of these questions and it doesn't take a rocket 
> scientist to understand that.
>
> The bottom line is that there are rules covering how this list 
> operates just like there are rules that govern almost every aspect of 
> life.  If you post off-topic, then you're breaking the rules.  If 
> someone tells you you're breaking the rules and you get upset that you

> were corrected, grow up.  Following rules is the right thing to do and

> it is also the polite thing to do.  That's really how simple this 
> whole issue really is.
>
>
> Tom
>
> _______________________________________________
> rhn-users mailing list
> rhn-users at redhat.com
> https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/rhn-users
>
> .
>

_______________________________________________
rhn-users mailing list
rhn-users at redhat.com
https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/rhn-users



From p at uni-bielefeld.de  Mon Jan 29 00:39:16 2007
From: p at uni-bielefeld.de (=?ISO-8859-1?Q?Peter_K=FChnlein?=)
Date: Mon, 29 Jan 2007 01:39:16 +0100
Subject: [rhn-users] RHN List Membership
In-Reply-To: <58727644D357E1429F7095BD0A297094044ADB20@sgpexc05.asiapacific.cpqcorp.net>
References: <58727644D357E1429F7095BD0A297094044ADB20@sgpexc05.asiapacific.cpqcorp.net>
Message-ID: <45BD4234.8060102@uni-bielefeld.de>

Mansour, Michael wrote:

>Hi Robert,
>
>The problem (for me) with off-topic messages is they take time to wade
>through, there's only so many work hours in the day.
>
>Being a member of many lists (around 50), you can imagine it takes a lot
>of time to wade through.
>
>With lists that are mostly off-topic, people (like me) will just leave
>them.
>
>Who ends up losing? The people subscribed to the list that want the help
>of "guru's" that have left the list because of the noise levels.
>
>Regards,
>
>Michael.
>  
>
Dear Colleagues,
I tried to unsubscribe from this noisy list and once even was told that 
some admin would take care of it. Yet i get these emails. Could someone 
please try to remove my email address or help me doing so?
Thanks, Peter

-- 
http://www.peter-kuehnlein.net

"In all dealings with people it is essential to have a fresh
 approach. One should constantly give the impression that he is doing
 something exceptional. It is said that this is possible with but a
 little understanding."
(Hagakure)

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From robert at pottsdata.com  Mon Jan 29 03:42:01 2007
From: robert at pottsdata.com (Robert Potts)
Date: Sun, 28 Jan 2007 20:42:01 -0700
Subject: [rhn-users] RHN List Membership
In-Reply-To: <58727644D357E1429F7095BD0A297094044ADB20@sgpexc05.asiapacific.cpqcorp.net>
References: <58727644D357E1429F7095BD0A297094044ADB20@sgpexc05.asiapacific.cpqcorp.net>
Message-ID: <45BD6D09.5010002@pottsdata.com>

Point well taken.  And well expressed, I might add.  I'll keep that in 
mind in the future.
warm regards,
Robert

Mansour, Michael wrote:
> Hi Robert,
>
> The problem (for me) with off-topic messages is they take time to wade
> through, there's only so many work hours in the day.
>
> Being a member of many lists (around 50), you can imagine it takes a lot
> of time to wade through.
>
> With lists that are mostly off-topic, people (like me) will just leave
> them.
>
> Who ends up losing? The people subscribed to the list that want the help
> of "guru's" that have left the list because of the noise levels.
>
> Regards,
>
> Michael.
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: rhn-users-bounces at redhat.com [mailto:rhn-users-bounces at redhat.com]
> On Behalf Of Robert Potts
> Sent: Friday, 26 January 2007 6:11 AM
> To: Discussions about Red Hat Network (rhn.redhat.com)
> Subject: Re: [rhn-users] RHN List Membership
>
> "I thought the whole purpose of lists like this was to help out
> colleagues as well as get help for ourselves if needed. If someone is
> way out of line for this discussion list, why not just point them in the
> right direction?"
>
> You got that right.
>
> Every list I belong to and ever have belonged to has had this come up as
> an issue many times.
>
> People are people, you can fight human nature, but the reality is
> evolution takes a long time, and we ain't so far out of the jungle as we
> think.  I tend to piss a lot of people off on this list when I get mad
> at the way RHN does its business and suggest people move to OpenBSD.  
> Well, thanks for putting up with me is all I can ultimately say.
>
> And you know what else?  Sometimes people post something off-topic for
> the list that is actually very interesting and informative.  So it works
> both ways.
>
> Prob'ly made some people mad, again, ok, here come the rocks and
> garbage, again.  Take your best shot...
>
> -Robert (aka "Troll", "A**hole", "Moron", and a host of other colorful
> nicknames people have applied ;^)
>
> Tom Rivers wrote:
>   
>> Nick Thompson wrote:
>>     
>>> I agree as well.
>>>
>>> Nick
>>>
>>> -----Original Message-----
>>> From: rhn-users-bounces at redhat.com
>>> [mailto:rhn-users-bounces at redhat.com]On Behalf Of d.qureshi at mdx.ac.uk
>>> Sent: Thursday, January 25, 2007 6:33 AM
>>> To: rhn-users at redhat.com
>>> Subject: Re: [rhn-users] RHN List Membership
>>>
>>>
>>> I totally share and support your view on this matter.
>>>
>>>  
>>>       
>>>> I thought the whole purpose of lists like this was to help out 
>>>> colleagues as well as get help for ourselves if needed. If someone 
>>>> is way out of line for this discussion list, why not just point them
>>>>         
>
>   
>>>> in the right direction? It is not like we are all forced to respond 
>>>> to questions if we don't want to. This is a support group.
>>>> BRAVO!!!
>>>> Hurra!!!
>>>> I could not say it better!
>>>> Thank you.
>>>>
>>>> Thorsten
>>>>
>>>> _______________________________________________
>>>>     
>>>>         
>> I think the point of this particular discussion has been lost.  Nobody
>>     
>
>   
>> is saying that people who have questions should not be helped.  If 
>> someone has said that, then I want to be on record as saying that is 
>> not what I believe or is it what I think the vast majority of people 
>> on this list believe either.  The problem is people who evidently 
>> don't bother to read the description at the top of the web page used 
>> to sign up for this list.  The page in question, 
>> https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/rhn-users, explicitly says 
>> what this list is about:
>>
>> "This list is not intended for discussion about topics specific to Red
>>     
>
>   
>> Hat Enterprise Linux that do not involve Red Hat Network. For 
>> discussion of such topics, you may want to try..."
>>
>> It even gives links to the lists for general questions for both RHEL
>> V3 and V4.  So for anyone who is paying attention, the message is 
>> clear.  As for the argument that some people don't know what Red Hat 
>> Network really is, the sentence above unambiguously says this list is 
>> NOT about topics specific to Red Hat Enterprise Linux.  Is that really
>>     
>
>   
>> so hard to understand?  To me it seems obvious that anyone who has a 
>> specific question regarding Red Hat Enterprise Linux should NOT expect
>>     
>
>   
>> to get answers by joining this list.
>>
>> Polite people don't just jump into a new community with the 
>> expectation of getting answers to off-topic questions.  A polite 
>> person, faced with the uncertainty of whether or not this list is the 
>> proper place for a particular question, would ask for help finding the
>>     
>
>   
>> proper place to get help.  Instead it seems commonplace that users who
>>     
>
>   
>> should have paid attention to the overtly posted purpose of this list 
>> just jump right in and start asking whatever question comes to mind.
>> That's fine, but to expect NOT to be corrected for such obviously poor
>>     
>
>   
>> social and reading comprehension skills is ridiculous.
>>
>> As to the point "the whole purpose of lists like this was to help out 
>> colleagues as well as get help for ourselves if needed", I don't 
>> disagree.  "Lists like this" certainly do perform that function.
>> However you don't ask RHEL questions on an RHN list any more than you 
>> would bring your Ford to the local Toyota mechanic.  There is a proper
>>     
>
>   
>> place for all of these questions and it doesn't take a rocket 
>> scientist to understand that.
>>
>> The bottom line is that there are rules covering how this list 
>> operates just like there are rules that govern almost every aspect of 
>> life.  If you post off-topic, then you're breaking the rules.  If 
>> someone tells you you're breaking the rules and you get upset that you
>>     
>
>   
>> were corrected, grow up.  Following rules is the right thing to do and
>>     
>
>   
>> it is also the polite thing to do.  That's really how simple this 
>> whole issue really is.
>>
>>
>> Tom
>>
>> _______________________________________________
>> rhn-users mailing list
>> rhn-users at redhat.com
>> https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/rhn-users
>>
>> .
>>
>>     
>
> _______________________________________________
> rhn-users mailing list
> rhn-users at redhat.com
> https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/rhn-users
>
> _______________________________________________
> rhn-users mailing list
> rhn-users at redhat.com
> https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/rhn-users
>
> .
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From smal at ccmb.res.in  Mon Jan 29 11:53:42 2007
From: smal at ccmb.res.in (Mahalingam Subramaniam)
Date: Mon, 29 Jan 2007 17:23:42 +0530 (IST)
Subject: [rhn-users] to recover the swap memory
Message-ID: <1863884.1170071622739.JavaMail.root@mailserver>



Dear All
I shall greatly appreciate and honour, if anyone can suggest the solution to the below mentioned issue.
The O/S of the m/c. is RHEL AS 3.0 with kernel 2.4.21-20. with x86_64 and taroon update 3. The RAM is 2GB with swap memory another 2GB. The server is functioning as mail server and this is the only application which is loaded onto the system with a third party vendor's mail application package.
For quite some time the swappable memory itself was found to be consumed rather exhausted to its full quota of 2GB by the application resulting in no free memory for subsequents tasks to execute. As a result of this not only the application but also the system itself becomes frozen/hangs. The system becomes inaccessible even through remote machines using rlogin or putty etc to revive. Being the mail sever it is not desirable to have such frequent interruption in its service.
1. The question is that how to retrieve/restore the swap memory back to its full quota?
2. How to restore the system when it attains hung state without using brute force / hot or cold boot?
Your guidelines and suggestions shall be highly appreciable and valuable.
with kind regards
s.mahalingam
S.Mahalingam
Bioinformatics Centre
Centre for Cellular and Molecular Biology
Habsiguda, Uppal Road, Hyderabad 500 007, India.
Ph:+91-40-27192773, 27192774, 27177814
+91-40-27160222 - 41 (20 Lines)
Ext: 2773, 2774
Fax: :+91-40-27160591, 27160311
E-mail:
smal at ccmb.res.in
smal8 at yahoo.com
http://www.ccmb.res.in
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From michael.mansour at hp.com  Mon Jan 29 20:53:02 2007
From: michael.mansour at hp.com (Mansour, Michael)
Date: Tue, 30 Jan 2007 04:53:02 +0800
Subject: [rhn-users] to recover the swap memory
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Hi Mahalingam,
 
This is not the appropriate list to ask such a question, this mailing
list is for problems related to the Red Hat Network (RHN) not to Red Hat
Linux.
 
Please refer to the Red Hat mailing list website to find a more
appropriate list.
 
Thankyou.
 
Michael.

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From: rhn-users-bounces at redhat.com [mailto:rhn-users-bounces at redhat.com]
On Behalf Of Mahalingam Subramaniam
Sent: Monday, 29 January 2007 10:54 PM
To: rhn-users at redhat.com
Cc: smal_rh at redhat.com
Subject: [rhn-users] to recover the swap memory


Dear All

I shall greatly appreciate and honour, if anyone can suggest the
solution to the below mentioned issue.

The O/S of the m/c. is RHEL AS 3.0 with kernel 2.4.21-20. with x86_64
and taroon update 3. The RAM is 2GB with swap memory another 2GB. The
server is functioning as mail server and this is the only application
which is loaded onto the system with a third party vendor's mail
application package.

For quite some time the swappable memory itself was found to be consumed
rather exhausted to its full quota of 2GB by the application resulting
in no free memory for subsequents tasks to execute. As a result of this
not only the application but also the system itself becomes
frozen/hangs. The system becomes inaccessible even through remote
machines using rlogin or putty etc to revive. Being the mail sever it is
not desirable to have such frequent interruption in its service.

1. The question is that how to retrieve/restore the swap memory back to
its full quota?
2. How to restore the system when it attains hung state without using
brute force / hot or cold boot?

Your guidelines and suggestions shall be highly appreciable and
valuable.

with kind regards
s.mahalingam

S.Mahalingam
Bioinformatics Centre
Centre for Cellular and Molecular Biology
Habsiguda, Uppal Road, Hyderabad 500 007, India.

Ph:+91-40-27192773, 27192774, 27177814
+91-40-27160222 - 41 (20 Lines)
Ext: 2773, 2774
Fax: :+91-40-27160591, 27160311

E-mail:
smal at ccmb.res.in
smal8 at yahoo.com

http://www.ccmb.res.in

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