some bees nest stirring, was just how much can you do with?

Albert Sten-Clanton albert.e.sten_clanton at
Thu Mar 7 21:23:26 UTC 2013

Fedora itself doesn't seem to be quite in love with non-visual access,
either.  I'm using it because I like yum, and because I got help from Bill
Acker in getting speakup working with software speech.  (I miss my hardware,
man!)  I was able to update from 17 to 18, but not to install in the first
place.  If NFB sued the folks at Red hat, and could include the Fedora gang,
I might send money for it if I have any by then.  :-)


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Sent: Thursday, March 07, 2013 9:26 AM
To: Linux for blind general discussion
Subject: Re: some bees nest stirring, was just how much can you do with?

Actually, Red Hat and Fedora are two different things.  RHEL is Red Hat
Enterprise Linux and is the commercial version.  Fedora is the community
version with six month release cycles.  Red Hat has made it very clear that
they have no plans to provide any kind of accessibility.  Since the NFB
likes to sue companies (yes, I was formerly part of them and I know what I'm
talking about) they should sue Red Hat due to their complete lack of
willingness to even include Speakup in the standard kernel.  There was/is a
site called Speakup Modified which was just for Fedora, but I don't know how
current it is.  I should add that Speakup is in
staging, so if Fedora includes staging drivers, Speakup would now be
included, but I'm pretty sure that RHEL uses a custom kernel without Speakup

On 3/7/2013 6:14 AM, Doug Smith wrote:
> I haven't used Red Hat, now referred to as fedora, since version 6.2.  I
don't know anything about it.  Ubuntu works as well.
> Hope this helps.

Have a good day,
Tony Baechler
tony at

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