Orca & tbird issues

John G Heim jheim at math.wisc.edu
Thu Nov 10 19:28:01 UTC 2016

There is a reason why apps like Thunderbird and Microsoft Office are so 
popular. They are easy and efficient. Thunderbird worked pretty well 
with orca for many years. I'm not going to change email clients every 
time some bug develops. I'd go crazy. These bugs are enough to make me 
change eventually. But I have hopes they'll be fixed.

On 11/10/2016 08:36 AM, Janina Sajka wrote:
> I just don't see any good reason for running a client like mutt in a gui
> terminal with Orca. Yes, from the "let's get everything working like it
> should" perspective, we need good performance and good behavior in gui
> terminals, but mutt just runs so well in a console terminal (think
> screen) with Speakup, that I just don't worry my poor little head over
> the gui terminal.
> It's rather interesting, though, that similar issues can sometimes crop
> up in the console environment. I've recently been running Fedora 25
> pre-release mutt v. 1.7.1 as my client, and I occasionally run into
> focus problems, meaning that what Speakup's Keypad 8 will say is one off
> from the actual selection. Usually the screen Ctrl+l "redraw the screen"
> command fixes that.
> Until the last mutt update there was a more annoying issue for me where
> Home and End didn't work to take you to the top or bottom of the index
> list. It was a bug, and I'm so glad it's now squashed.
> As for replying to the wrong person, that just happens if one isn't
> careful to observe the header data before sending. You don't need to be
> blind and using a screen reader to exhibit that behavior. I see the very
> same thing every so often from the very smart teckies on my various W3C
> lists, most of who are perfectly able bodied.
> Mutt does have one command I absolutely love, and I wonder whether the
> gui clients have something similar. There's the usual 'r' for reply to
> the sender, and 'g' for reply to all, but I particularly appreciate
> Shift+L for "reply only to the lists, and not the individuals."
> I must confess, though, that I'm impressed that people have found a
> browser interface to email fully usable. To me this suggests that
> familiarity with the particular environment is still the most important
> factor for success with whatever one chooses to use.
> Janina
> Tim Chase writes:
>> On November  9, 2016, Jeffery Mewtamer wrote:
>>> Personally, I've never seen the point of e-mail clients and have
>>> always used a web browser to check my e-mail.
>> I think the big advantage is off-line usage.  If you are connected
>> all the time and have dual-mode access for redundancy (say, a home
>> internet/wifi connection, and a 4G aircard), and don't roam much,
>> then a web-based mail client solves a lot of problems.  But when
>> internet access is spotty or unreliable, it's nice to have full
>> access to your email offline.  Fortunately, there are lots of
>> options, both within the GUI with varying degrees of accessibility
>> (Thunderbird, Kmail, Claws Mail, and Evolution come to mind) and
>> within the terminal (mutt and alpine being the dominant players, but
>> "alot" and mailx/heirloom mailx also come to mind as well as several
>> available within emacs).
>> -tim
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