Help with a few projects

Linux for blind general discussion blinux-list at
Wed Dec 13 00:35:33 UTC 2017

I did that, but that didn't do anything, so I typed reboot and am 
waiting for everything to come back on-line. Okay, I'm logging into the 
web site right now, so far so good.

I'm clicking the update plug-ins...

Nope, it still says connection information.

On 12/12/2017 4:29 PM, Linux for blind general discussion wrote:
> Did u restart your webserver?
> On 12/12/17, Linux for blind general discussion <blinux-list at> wrote:
>> Hi,
>> Darn! I tried this fix as outlined below.
>> Root at vps: # adduser wordpressuser www-data Adding wordpressuer to
>> www-data, done.
>> root at vps: # chown wordpressuser:www-data -R /var/www/html
>> Root at VPS: #
>> Win SCP shows that /blog owner is wordpressuer, group is www-data, with
>> same read write execute permissions.
>> I went to update an existing plug-in and was presented with this message.
>> Connection Information
>> To perform the requested action, WordPress needs to access your web
>> server. Please enter your FTP credentials to proceed. If you do not
>> remember your credentials, you should contact your web host.
>> Hostname
>> On 12/12/2017 3:35 PM, Linux for blind general discussion wrote:
>>> I'm asking my friend to see if they can join this list and or e-mail you
>>> as they have more experience using various Linux distributions, whereas
>>> I only have used one.
>>> He said that Cent OS, which is a Red Hat distribution has a completely
>>> different management than Debian-based systems. So I'm wondering if this
>>> list is for people who use Red Hat only, or if it includes discussions
>>> about Debian and Arch distributions.
>>> -P.S. I'm also known as HeavenlyHarmony.
>>> On 12/12/2017 3:29 PM, Linux for blind general discussion wrote:
>>>> I apologize. Ulysses is generally a male name, at least here in the
>>>> States. As for your being young, my kids are all older than u--so to
>>>> me you're young. I had actually guessed your age at 22, so I was not
>>>> far off.
>>>> On 12/12/17, Linux for blind general discussion <blinux-list at>
>>>> wrote:
>>>>> Hello,
>>>>> For your information, could you please address me properly? I am female,
>>>>> and I do not know if there is anything that had implied that I was of a
>>>>> much younger age, but I am twenty-three.
>>>>> Sincerely,
>>>>> -HeavenlyHarmony
>>>>> On 12/12/2017 3:00 PM, Linux for blind general discussion wrote:
>>>>>> Ulysses, if you've got an Apache webserver, then generally speaking
>>>>>> the group to hwich the webserver belongs by default is www-data. So u
>>>>>> would add the wordpressuser to that group. Again, your postfix error
>>>>>> is telling u that your user/group permissions are incorrect.
>>>>>> My web hosting invoicing program just crappe the bed. I really need to
>>>>>> get that up first before I can provide much help. I apologize. I would
>>>>>> be willing to try to help once I get this situation straightened out &
>>>>>> a small website built for a client. But right now, young Sir, I'm a
>>>>>> little inundated. Truthfully, given the way things are now, it's
>>>>>> likely gonna be hard for me to get back w/u to any meaningful degree
>>>>>> till after the first of the year. I'm sorry. Holidays w/a family &
>>>>>> trying to run a business can get a little hectic. But if I can get my
>>>>>> invoice program working in a reasonable timeframe, I'll get back on
>>>>>> list sooner & see if I can't help u out. I hope that sounds fair.
>>>>>> On 12/12/17, Linux for blind general discussion
>>>>>> <blinux-list at>
>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>> Hi,
>>>>>>> This is the guide I used to follow and set up Postfix.
>>>>>>> The error occurred here. wordpressuser at vps:~$ echo "This is the body
>>>>>>> of
>>>>>>> the e-mail." | mail -s "This is the subject of the e-mail."
>>>>>>> green_gables
>>>>>>> _fan33 at
>>>>>>> Can't canonicalize "/home/wordpressuser/Maildir"
>>>>>>> wordpressuser at vps:~$ postdrop: warning: /etc/postfix/
>>>>>>> file is owned or writable by non-root users -- skip
>>>>>>> ping this file
>>>>>>> Could you be less vague. I.E. provide actual steps on how to fix this
>>>>>>> problem? I'll outline the steps I took when I read this sentence. Your
>>>>>>> problem w/WordPress is that you likely don't have the user of the
>>>>>>> wordpress files belonging to the webserver group. Once u make that
>>>>>>> happen, your updating problems will disappear. U need to set the file
>>>>>>> permissions back to a safer level, or your site wil get hacked.
>>>>>>> I only understood you as far as needing to change the ownership of the
>>>>>>> WordPressfiles and their permissions. /var/www/html/blog, where blog
>>>>>>> is
>>>>>>> the folder that contains WordPress, is as follows, using Win SCP. blog
>>>>>>> Owner: wordpressuser, Group: wordpressuser, Type: File folder, Rights:
>>>>>>> rwsrwsrwt, Changed: 12/12/2017 1:58:35 P
>>>>>>> Based on your statement, I assumed that I needed to change ownership
>>>>>>> of
>>>>>>> both group and user, and change permissions to Apache2, MySQL, and PHP
>>>>>>> to the same user that WordPress is set to.
>>>>>>> /etc/apache2, /etc/mysql, and /etc/php
>>>>>>> apache2 Owner: wordpressuser, Group: wordpressuser, Type: File folder,
>>>>>>> Rights: rwsrwsrwt, Changed: 11/28/2017 1:25:20 A mysql Owner:
>>>>>>> wordpressuser, Group: wordpressuser, Type: File folder, Rights:
>>>>>>> rwsrwsrwt, Changed: 10/29/2017 6:02:10 P php Owner: wordpressuser,
>>>>>>> Group: wordpressuser, Type: File folder, Rights: rwsrwsrwt, Changed:
>>>>>>> 9/16/2017 12:33:01 P
>>>>>>> I tried updating a plug-in, but it is still giving me the same error
>>>>>>> message. If you want to do an actual session where you could try to
>>>>>>> help
>>>>>>> me via phone or Skype, I let me know if you would like to pay you a
>>>>>>> small sum or if you'd like to volunteer your time.
>>>>>>> Also, you didn't specify how having all files and folders set to 7777
>>>>>>> would increase the level of attack if Cloudflare is supposed to keep
>>>>>>> people from finding out my IP address, or if they tried accessing
>>>>>>> wp-content/uploads and put malicious PHP scripts.
>>>>>>> I think Windows servers have their place in the universe, but why they
>>>>>>> have to be expensive I know not. Yes, Linux is all done via bash and
>>>>>>> SSH, whereas Windows is done via remote desktop. And for some people,
>>>>>>> if
>>>>>>> you want to get things done without worrying about command lines, you
>>>>>>> could try C-Panel or something simple, but if you want to know how and
>>>>>>> why things work, and how the puzles all fit together, you can learn as
>>>>>>> long as you have a good support sytem, and many people do not have
>>>>>>> that.
>>>>>>> What kind of certain web components would be redirected that would
>>>>>>> make
>>>>>>> it difficult for a beginner to work around? How accessible is
>>>>>>> cloudflare? I noticed some unusual buttons that have vague labels and
>>>>>>> whatnot. I am using NVDA on Windows 10 with Google Chrome and Firefox.
>>>>>>> -Ulysses
>>>>>>> On 12/12/2017 1:19 PM, Linux for blind general discussion wrote:
>>>>>>>> Ulysses, provide your error logs & we can assist w/the postfix
>>>>>>>> problem. If those error logs contain information u don't wish on a
>>>>>>>> public list, then go ahead & email me privately at
>>>>>>>> abletec at g mail dot com. You can't copy-&-paste that email, as I've
>>>>>>>> munged it to prevent spam harvesting, but u should be able to figure
>>>>>>>> it out.
>>>>>>>> Your problem w/WordPress is that you likely don't have the user of
>>>>>>>> the
>>>>>>>> wordpress files belonging to the webserver group. Once u make that
>>>>>>>> happen, your updating problems will disappear. U need to set the file
>>>>>>>> permissions back to a safer level, or your site wil get hacked.
>>>>>>>> Unless there's a compelling reason to do so, ie, you're developing
>>>>>>>> some sort of Windows software, my recommendation would be to use
>>>>>>>> Linux
>>>>>>>> to host websites. It's cheaper, &, IMO, also more secure for a number
>>>>>>>> of reasons. I realize I'll likely encounter the ire of some on this
>>>>>>>> list for saying thus, but it really is a fact, IMO.
>>>>>>>> I would also advise disabling Cloudflare until you get everything set
>>>>>>>> up, because it tends to add an additional layer in terms of
>>>>>>>> redirecting certain web components that makes things hard for a
>>>>>>>> beginner to learn & figure out what's going on.
>>>>>>>> On 12/12/17, Linux for blind general discussion
>>>>>>>> <blinux-list at>
>>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>>> Hi everyone,
>>>>>>>>> My name is Ulysses Harmony Garcia. My web site is
>>>>>>>>> I heard about I heard
>>>>>>>>> about
>>>>>>>>> this mailing list through a Facebook post.
>>>>>>>>>         For several years, I've been trying to figure out what kind
>>>>>>>>> of
>>>>>>>>> services I
>>>>>>>>>         could use to satisfy my needs. In the early 2010's, I looked
>>>>>>>>> into
>>>>>>>>> shared
>>>>>>>>>         hosting plans, but the more I looked at them, the more I
>>>>>>>>> didn't
>>>>>>>>> like
>>>>>>>>> them because I wanted to be able to have full
>>>>>>>>>         control of the server. All they let you use is a public HTML
>>>>>>>>> folder
>>>>>>>>> and an FTP server port 21 or 990 for secure connections, and a
>>>>>>>>> web-based
>>>>>>>>> administration tool like Webmin or C-Panel. So I continued using
>>>>>>>>> Dropbox
>>>>>>>>> to host my web site. The only problem was that I had to use an http
>>>>>>>>> colon slash slash dl dot dropboxusercontent dot com slash u slash
>>>>>>>>> xxxxxxxx slash index dot html to render it, which is a pretty long
>>>>>>>>> link,
>>>>>>>>> but at least it worked.
>>>>>>>>> Four years later, I looked into the cloud, SSD, and dedicated
>>>>>>>>>         VPS options. By asking around, I heard of several different
>>>>>>>>> choices
>>>>>>>>> such as Linode,
>>>>>>>>>         Vultr, Digital Ocean, OVH, and through a diary entry I had
>>>>>>>>> made
>>>>>>>>> back
>>>>>>>>> in
>>>>>>>>>         2014, VPS dot Next, I had to learn about which operating
>>>>>>>>> system I
>>>>>>>>> would most likely
>>>>>>>>>         use for the server. Since 2005, I have primarily used
>>>>>>>>> Windows,
>>>>>>>>>         and I started using a Mac in 2011. I have never used Linux,
>>>>>>>>> and I
>>>>>>>>>         probably chose to stay away from it because I associated
>>>>>>>>> Linux as
>>>>>>>>> an
>>>>>>>>>         operating system only computer geeks would use. So when I was
>>>>>>>>> looking
>>>>>>>>> for a
>>>>>>>>>         VPS, I was lucky to find a Windows server on vps dot net.
>>>>>>>>> However,
>>>>>>>>> when I told others
>>>>>>>>>         about it, many people acted like that was a crime, or that it
>>>>>>>>> was
>>>>>>>>>         impractical to use Windows as a server, and that 99.99% of
>>>>>>>>> the web
>>>>>>>>> was
>>>>>>>>>         hosted by Linux, which was meant to be used as a server
>>>>>>>>> operating
>>>>>>>>> system.
>>>>>>>>>         I've done most of the work on my own. I first began with a
>>>>>>>>> Windows
>>>>>>>>>         virtual private server at VPS dot net, but I was not able to
>>>>>>>>> set
>>>>>>>>>         up the web server, database server and PHP to work on-line,
>>>>>>>>> except
>>>>>>>>>         through Localhost. I wasn't able to use Internet Information
>>>>>>>>> Services
>>>>>>>>>         IIS either, so I gave up on it and cancelled my server.
>>>>>>>>> Fortunately,
>>>>>>>>> I kept my
>>>>>>>>>         account active, so I could come back to it when I wasn't
>>>>>>>>> overwhelmed.
>>>>>>>>> I even tried enabling Internet Information Services on my Windows 10
>>>>>>>>> computer by using the enable or disables Windows features. I checked
>>>>>>>>> every one of them, but when I typed localhost in the connect to
>>>>>>>>> computer
>>>>>>>>> dialogue box, I got this message. IIS6 Manager  dialogue  Unable to
>>>>>>>>> connect to localhost. The target server does not have the SMTP
>>>>>>>>> service
>>>>>>>>> installed. You cannot manage an IIS 7.5 Web or FTP server by using
>>>>>>>>> Internet Information Services (6.0) Manager.
>>>>>>>>>         As primarily being an extroverted person, I get energy from
>>>>>>>>> working
>>>>>>>>> with
>>>>>>>>>         other people rather than working alone, yet for some reason,
>>>>>>>>> I've
>>>>>>>>>         encountered a lot of people who think that being too
>>>>>>>>> dependent on
>>>>>>>>> others
>>>>>>>>>         was a bad thing, that being completely independent was the
>>>>>>>>> best
>>>>>>>>> way
>>>>>>>>> to
>>>>>>>>>         go. I disagree with that. I mean, I can see why some people
>>>>>>>>> wouldn't
>>>>>>>>>         want to be too dependent on others for fear of taking too
>>>>>>>>> much of
>>>>>>>>>         someone's time or being too clingy, etc, or taking advantage
>>>>>>>>> of
>>>>>>>>> said
>>>>>>>>>         person, but I also believe that there needs to be a balance
>>>>>>>>> in
>>>>>>>>> helping
>>>>>>>>>         others and being self-reliable. This is where interdependence
>>>>>>>>> comes
>>>>>>>>> in. Manuals are never straightforward. You can follow the directions
>>>>>>>>> in
>>>>>>>>> the manual as exactly outlined and end up with error messages. Even
>>>>>>>>> googling error messages can't guarantee that you will get a quick
>>>>>>>>> solution. Having said that, I have joined a few community forums and
>>>>>>>>> posted these error messages, but never received replies.
>>>>>>>>>         Back in July, I contacted a few people I know who were
>>>>>>>>> successfully
>>>>>>>>> using
>>>>>>>>>         the popular content management system WordPress, and asked if
>>>>>>>>> they
>>>>>>>>> could
>>>>>>>>>         help out. One person, whose name I won't mention, said they
>>>>>>>>> could
>>>>>>>>> set
>>>>>>>>> up
>>>>>>>>>         my web site, if I could provide $300/hr USD and that it was
>>>>>>>>> estimated
>>>>>>>>> to
>>>>>>>>>         take four hours to set up to where I wanted it to be. Now,
>>>>>>>>> this
>>>>>>>>> person
>>>>>>>>>         is also blind. What I do not understand is how someone who
>>>>>>>>> may be
>>>>>>>>>         knowledgeable about supplemental security income could decide
>>>>>>>>> to
>>>>>>>>> charge
>>>>>>>>>         such a high price to set up something simple, and that is
>>>>>>>>>         semi-automated, and easy to install. I wrote a reply, and
>>>>>>>>> didn't
>>>>>>>>> hear
>>>>>>>>>         back for a month. I re-sent my reply and was told that if I
>>>>>>>>> wanted
>>>>>>>>> to
>>>>>>>>>         continue with the route that I choose, I would have to go on
>>>>>>>>> Bookshare
>>>>>>>>>         or BARD to download books on Windows server hosting, and that
>>>>>>>>> I
>>>>>>>>> had
>>>>>>>>>         sufficient resources on the Audio Games net forum to start.
>>>>>>>>>         so in September, I finally found a fellow who turned out to
>>>>>>>>> be
>>>>>>>>> someone I
>>>>>>>>>         knew by reputation, and he offered to spend his free time in
>>>>>>>>> helping
>>>>>>>>> me
>>>>>>>>>         out, especially since he has had plenty of experience in
>>>>>>>>> working
>>>>>>>>> with
>>>>>>>>>         virtual private servers and web hosting. If you ask him how
>>>>>>>>> he
>>>>>>>>> liked
>>>>>>>>> working with me, he might tell you that I learn things pretty
>>>>>>>>> quickly
>>>>>>>>> once I get to actually learning the steps live on Skype or phone. I
>>>>>>>>> also
>>>>>>>>> record my sessions so I can look back and see what I did. By that
>>>>>>>>> time,
>>>>>>>>> I was a little
>>>>>>>>>         more knowledgeable in talking to others on this topic.
>>>>>>>>> Look at post
>>>>>>>>> four.
>>>>>>>>> I
>>>>>>>>> told my new friend a little bit of what I've hoped to accomplish,
>>>>>>>>> and
>>>>>>>>> what I
>>>>>>>>>         have done so far, and how much experience I've already had.
>>>>>>>>> In
>>>>>>>>> 2010
>>>>>>>>>         through 2013, I worked on building an HTML 4.1 and 5 project
>>>>>>>>> in
>>>>>>>>> high
>>>>>>>>>         school using Notepad, and in 2013, I used CSS 3 to enhance it
>>>>>>>>> when
>>>>>>>>> I
>>>>>>>>>         took a college class in web development. In mid July of 2013,
>>>>>>>>> I
>>>>>>>>> got
>>>>>>>>>         myself a WordPress blog up and running, which has been since
>>>>>>>>> taken
>>>>>>>>> down.
>>>>>>>>>         I decided to export this blog and import it into the
>>>>>>>>> self-hosted
>>>>>>>>>         version, and I was able to successfully link up all of my web
>>>>>>>>> pages
>>>>>>>>> to a podcast generator and the WordPress system.
>>>>>>>>> Right now we are sort of stuck on where to go, since I already have
>>>>>>>>> a
>>>>>>>>>         basic HTML site with no scripts on my Ubuntu VPS, a TeamTalk
>>>>>>>>> server
>>>>>>>>>         running, and hopefully an IceCast or ShoutCast server for
>>>>>>>>> streaming.
>>>>>>>>> I heard that you can get
>>>>>>>>>         an e-mail provider through Google Aps and install their mail
>>>>>>>>> exchange
>>>>>>>>>         and text verification records, but they are quite costly, and
>>>>>>>>> I
>>>>>>>>> don't
>>>>>>>>>         know if you'd have to install anything on Ubuntu to make sure
>>>>>>>>> the
>>>>>>>>> PHP
>>>>>>>>>         contact forms worked properly. By following several guides on
>>>>>>>>> Linode
>>>>>>>>> and Digital Ocean, I was able to install Postfix and S-Nail, but I
>>>>>>>>> keep
>>>>>>>>> getting error messages when I am trying to send a message as a test.
>>>>>>>>> I also got an account through Cloudflare, and if you were to do a
>>>>>>>>> user
>>>>>>>>> $
>>>>>>>>> dig +short or root# dig +short
>>>>>>>>> you'd see instead of my actual
>>>>>>>>> server's IP address. If you tried using that directly, it'd say,
>>>>>>>>> Cloudflare direct IP access not allowed. This is to keep attackers
>>>>>>>>> from
>>>>>>>>> finding out what my server's IP address is. If they tried doing a
>>>>>>>>> who
>>>>>>>>> is
>>>>>>>>> on my domain, they'd see a privacy protect dot org notice instead of
>>>>>>>>> my
>>>>>>>>> name.
>>>>>>>>> Also, I really couldn't understand how C-Panel and Webmin
>>>>>>>>> administration
>>>>>>>>> tools worked until my friend showed me how he used the terminal on
>>>>>>>>> his
>>>>>>>>> Cent OS VPS to install it. It sort of reminded me of PHP My Admin.
>>>>>>>>> You
>>>>>>>>> simply put :2083, :2087, or :2086 at the end of your domain.
>>>>>>>>> I also installed Certbot which uses Lets Encrypt. At the moment I
>>>>>>>>> can't
>>>>>>>>> seem to figure out how to force traffic to be automatically
>>>>>>>>> redirected
>>>>>>>>> to https(443) instead of http(80). But now since I'm using
>>>>>>>>> Cloudflare,
>>>>>>>>> I'm not sure if that will be necessary.
>>>>>>>>>         Once I get more advanced, and raised my income through Amazon
>>>>>>>>>         Associates and stripe payments, I'd like to install a phone
>>>>>>>>> box or
>>>>>>>>> PBX using Asterisk as well. Note that I am running PHP 7. My friend
>>>>>>>>> and
>>>>>>>>> I tried installing Free PBX, but it doesn't seem to like it, so we
>>>>>>>>> had
>>>>>>>>> to give it up temporarily, at least until they release the newer
>>>>>>>>> version.
>>>>>>>>> On a more interesting topic, I don't know if any of you are into
>>>>>>>>> speech
>>>>>>>>> synthesis that can sing. I am very much into singing synthesis and
>>>>>>>>> have
>>>>>>>>> spent quite a bit of time with DECtalk and Vocaloid. I recently got
>>>>>>>>> interested in learning how to use Festival and make my own speech
>>>>>>>>> synthesiser. If you look at post 57 of this thread, you can see
>>>>>>>>> where I
>>>>>>>>> am at right now.
>>>>>>>>> So having said that, might any of you be able to help me resolve
>>>>>>>>> this
>>>>>>>>> mail problem with Postfix and S-Nail? I keep getting a debug error.
>>>>>>>>> Also, for some annoying reason which my friend and I have not been
>>>>>>>>> able
>>>>>>>>> to determine, I cannot install plug-ins or update WordPress
>>>>>>>>> directly.
>>>>>>>>> It
>>>>>>>>> wants to access my web server through FTP or FTPS, and I don't have
>>>>>>>>> one
>>>>>>>>> properly configured. I tried changing all file and folder
>>>>>>>>> permissions
>>>>>>>>> to
>>>>>>>>> 7777 recursively, but I am still unable to update and install
>>>>>>>>> plug-ins
>>>>>>>>> automatically. If any of you are able to help me with that as well I
>>>>>>>>> would greatly appreciate it.
>>>>>>>>> Anyhow, I apologise for this lengthy e-mail, but hopefully that
>>>>>>>>> gives
>>>>>>>>>         you all an idea of what I've done so far and where I'd like
>>>>>>>>> to go
>>>>>>>>> next. :-)
>>>>>>>>>         Sincerely,
>>>>>>>>>         -Ulysses
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