living in the console.
Linux for blind general discussion
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Thu Jun 1 20:07:07 UTC 2017
But why would that be needful when one can connect to the Linux box with
ssh telnet?
On Thu, 1 Jun 2017, Linux for blind general discussion wrote:
> If two local computers are available with one running dos and a compatible
> screen reader and a user is willing and able to work in the console it's
> possible with a null modem cable and a program like kermit or commo on the
> dos machine to connect to the other computer running linux and have all
> console output redirected out the linux serial port to the dos box. I did
> this once with only one version of linux and the information on how to do
> that is in one of linux-howtos serial howto files.
>
> On Thu, 1 Jun 2017, Linux for blind general discussion wrote:
>
>> Date: Thu, 1 Jun 2017 14:03:36
>> From: Linux for blind general discussion <blinux-list at redhat.com>
>> To: Linux for blind general discussion <blinux-list at redhat.com>
>> Subject: Re: living in the console.
>>
>> I am not.
>> since none of the Linux speech sources currently support my synthesizer,
>> it is not like I can just buy a system.
>> That means having one built and configured locally..something I did not
>> think would be such an issue. I mean I do it regularly for DOS when I
>> find a later edition of DOS that gives me something needful. My present
>> dos package for example is only a few years old comparatively speaking,
>> has full USB
>> support, networking etc. However I have been trying to find local talent
>> for the Linux side for more than a decade now, almost 15 years or so I
>> imagine.
>> User groups tend to have a laid back perspective if they can be found.
>> clear, fundamental and step by step information in basic but informative
>> detail does not exist, let alone in person training.
>>
>> I even had someone try to install Linux to a drive and send it, only not
>> to have Linux support any of the hand picked hardware, or for that person
>> to have included any way to reach the internet...I am serious.
>> I would ssh telnet into the box just like I do for Shellworld which is now
>> running Ubuntu 16.04, or my dreamhost setup for work which is not as
>> current.
>> I have no problem doing that at all, but the box must exist setup to my
>> specifications, I intend using it for music making and media..which means
>> in person real skill. long distance has simply produced amusing efforts
>> with no progress.
>> My favorite local effort was when someone building a machine for me showed
>> up with a live disk prepared to introduce me to Linux.
>> They popped in the cd and we waited...and waited...and waited lol!
>>
>> besides, I think speekup still puts all the controls on one side of the
>> keyboard, not using the full thing, which for me personally is counter
>> productive.
>> My present screen readers, all of the ones on my machine actually, let me
>> get information without ever taking my hands off the keys unless I need to
>> review.
>> Most important though since all software speech makes me dizzy is the need
>> to keep the voice I have with whatever I am using.
>> Long answer to as short comment,
>> Kare
>>
>>
>> On Thu, 1 Jun 2017, Linux for blind general discussion wrote:
>>
>> > If you're in the market for a linux laptop, http://www.thinkpenguin.com/
>> > is one good source.
>> >
>> > On Thu, 1 Jun 2017, Linux for blind general discussion wrote:
>> >
>> > > Date: Thu, 1 Jun 2017 09:57:30
>> > > From: Linux for blind general discussion <blinux-list at redhat.com>
>> > > To: Linux for blind general discussion <blinux-list at redhat.com>
>> > > Subject: Re: living in the console.
>> > >
>> > > which is why I am going to find one on line somewhere.
>> > > I have no actual Linux box myself.
>> > > Kare
>> > >
>> > >
>> > > On Wed, 31 May 2017, Linux for blind general discussion wrote:
>> > >
>> > > > Oh I think there is a file somewhere called setup.exe or
>> > > > edbrowse-setup or something like that.
>> > > > Sorry it has been many years since I did the setup.
>> > > > The readme file will tell you all about it.
>> > > > > > On May 31, 2017, at 10:26 PM, Linux for blind general
>> > > > > > discussion >
>> > > <blinux-list at redhat.com> wrote:
>> > > > > Well it must require more because when I tried visiting paypal I
>> > > > > just
>> > > > got a series of numbers and a blank page.
>> > > > Even trying for a help menu produced the question, are you looking
>> > > > for business solutions?
>> > > > Granted we may not have it fully configured here at shellworld.
>> > > > Will hunt some sort of manual and try again,
>> > > > Kare
>> > > > > > > On Wed, 31 May 2017, Linux for blind general discussion
>> > > > > > > wrote:
>> > > > > > > If you mean to browse something just type:
>> > > > > > > edbrowse url
>> > > > > or
>> > > > > edbrowse file
>> > > > > > > Then you can use the same commands as ed.
>> > > > > > > edbrowse is also an email reader/sender and other stuff. I
>> > > > > > > love
>> > > it.
>> > > > > > > > > On May 30, 2017, at 5:08 PM, Linux for blind general
>> > > discussion > > <blinux-list at redhat.com> wrote:
>> > > > > > > Out of curiosity, what is the syntax for ebrowse?
>> > > > > We have it here at shellworld...I think, and I wish to test
>> > > something.
>> > > > > Karen
>> > > > > > > > > > On Fri, 26 May 2017, Linux for blind general discussion
>> > > wrote:
>> > > > > > > > > Edbrowse may help for web browsing alonggg with
>> > > surfraw-heavy.
>> > > > > > > > > Sent from BlueMail for iPhone
>> > > > > > On May 25, 2017 at 7:18 PM, Linux for blind general discussion
>> > > > > > > >
>> > > > <blinux-list at redhat.com> wrote:
>> > > > > > > > > Tim here
>> > > > > > > > > Mark Peveto wrote
>> > > > > > Over the last couple days or so, I've considered becoming a
>> > > > > > totally
>> > > > > > command line linux user.
>> > > > > > > > > I'm mostly there. Web browsing is the big hurdle for much
>> > > > > > > > > of
>> > > my
>> > > > > > day-to-day use. Lynx/links/elinks work for many things, but
>> > > > > > some
>> > > > > > sites just need a fully modern-standards-supporting browser.
>> > > > > > > > > How would I print to my printer for example,
>> > > > > > > > > It depends on what you want to print, but it usually
>> > > > > > > > > involves
>> > > piping
>> > > > > > things to the "lp" ("line printer") program. It can be
>> > > > > > configured
>> > > to
>> > > > > > use CUPS on the back end (and may already be configured out of
>> > > > > > the
>> > > > > > box for you).
>> > > > > > > > > Getting fancier output would involve rendering some sort
>> > > > > > > > > of
>> > > markup.
>> > > > > > There are tools to render HTML, LaTeX, PDFs, and even > > >
>> > > Word/LibreOffice
>> > > > > > docs from the command-line to the printer.
>> > > > > > > > > I don't know what you want to print, but I suspect it can
>> > > > > > > > > be
>> > > done in
>> > > > > > most cases.
>> > > > > > > > > play an entire album from my music collection.
>> > > > > > > > > It depends on your tastes, but there are literally dozens
>> > > > > > > > > of
>> > > music
>> > > > > > players. Some, such as mpg123/mpg312/aplay/ogg123 allow you to
>> > > > > > specify just the files you want on the command line and it will
>> > > play
>> > > > > > them. Others, like mplayer are similar but give you a little
>> > > > > > more
>> > > > > > control over playback.
>> > > > > > > > > There's also mpd/mpc which is the Music Player
>> > > > > > > > > Daemon/Client
>> > > that
>> > > > > > runs in the background and doesn't really have a GUI. The mpd
>> > > > > > program runs in the background and the mpc program acts like a
>> > > > > > remote-control, letting you create/edit playlists, control
>> > > playback,
>> > > > > > etc. I like the remote-control aspect as I can map them to
>> > > > > > particular keys on my keyboard or aliases in the shell and have
>> > > > > > > >
>> > > > quick
>> > > > > > access to common commands with my media-keys.
>> > > > > > > > > Personally, I use "cmus" which has a text-mode GUI but
>> > > > > > > > > also
>> > > has a
>> > > > > > remote-control interface like mpd/mpc. I start up tmux and have
>> > > > > > a
>> > > > > > pane for my alsamixer and cmus which lets me flip between them
>> > > > > > > >
>> > > > pretty
>> > > > > > readily. It allows me to make play-lists, search my collection,
>> > > > > > shuffle, etc, much like you'd be familiar with in a graphical >
>> > > > > > > >
>> > > player.
>> > > > > > > > > > > > How, also, would I create documents in something
>> > > > > > > > > > > > beyond
>> > > text
>> > > > > > format?
>> > > > > > > > > usually it's done with a markup that suits your tastes. I
>> > > personally
>> > > > > > have been writing HTML by hand since college in the mid 90s so
>> > > > > > > >
>> > > > that's
>> > > > > > what I reach for. But other people like TeX/LaTeX (it does
>> > > > > > produce
>> > > > > > some beautiful output and also has external library support for
>> > > > > > > >
>> > > > things
>> > > > > > like music markup letting you write scores) while other people
>> > > > > > like
>> > > > > > some of the more light-weight markup languages like Markdown or
>> > > > > > RST
>> > > > > > or the like.
>> > > > > > > > > I'd kick the tires on a few and see what feels natural to
>> > > you.
>> > > > > > Fortunately, there's a tool called "pandoc" that lets you
>> > > > > > convert
>> > > > > > between a large number of input/output formats so you can write
>> > > > > > in
>> > > > > > Markdown and convert to PDF, or write in HTML and convert to
>> > > MS-Word
>> > > > > > format, or write in LaTeX and convert to ePub with minimal
>> > > > > > loss.
>> > > And
>> > > > > > it outputs any of them in plain-text (though you may lose some
>> > > > > > information in the process since plain-text doesn't support
>> > > > > > many
>> > > > > > features as you've acknowledged)
>> > > > > > > > > How does one ditch the guy, and still enjoy all linux has
>> > > > > > > > > to
>> > > offer
>> > > > > > in the console?
>> > > > > > > > > One program at a time (grins). So much like each of the
>> > > > > > > > > items
>> > > above,
>> > > > > > it's a matter of asking "I currently do XYZ in the GUI but
>> > > > > > would >
>> > > > > like
>> > > > > > to do XYZ in the console" for whatever XYZ is your next
>> > > > > > adventure.
>> > > > > > > > > I maintain a page listing a number of common command-line
>> > > tools:
>> > > > > > > > >
>> > > http://tim.thechases.com/posts/cli/software-for-a-command-line-world/
>> > > > > > > > > that can point you in the direction of various
>> > > > > > > > > applications
>> > > to try
>> > > > > > out. Some might drive you crazy while others might fit your
>> > > > > > brain
>> > > > > > just right. They should all be free and are likely in most
>> > > > > > software
>> > > > > > repos, so it doesn't cost you anything except a little time to
>> > > > > > try
>> > > > > > each one out.
>> > > > > > > > > I'm willing to learn how to do this, but who ever decides
>> > > > > > > > > to
>> > > help
>> > > > > > me is gonna hafta be patient.
>> > > > > > > > > The folks on this list are a pretty friendly & patient
>> > > > > > > > > bunch,
>> > > so
>> > > > > > we'll be glad to help where we can.
>> > > > > > > > > -tim
>> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
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