living in the console.

Linux for blind general discussion blinux-list at redhat.com
Thu Jun 1 20:07:07 UTC 2017


But why would that be needful when one can connect to the Linux box with 
ssh telnet?



On Thu, 1 Jun 2017, Linux for blind general discussion wrote:

> If two local computers are available with one running dos and a compatible 
> screen reader and a user is willing and able to work in the console it's 
> possible with a null modem cable and a program like kermit or commo on the 
> dos machine to connect to the other computer running linux and have all 
> console output redirected out the linux serial port to the dos box.  I did 
> this once with only one version of linux and the information on how to do 
> that is in one of linux-howtos serial howto files.
>
> On Thu, 1 Jun 2017, Linux for blind general discussion wrote:
>
>>  Date: Thu, 1 Jun 2017 14:03:36
>>  From: Linux for blind general discussion <blinux-list at redhat.com>
>>  To: Linux for blind general discussion <blinux-list at redhat.com>
>>  Subject: Re: living in the console.
>>
>>  I am not.
>>  since none of the Linux speech sources currently support my synthesizer,
>>  it is not like I can just buy a system.
>>  That means having one built and configured locally..something I did not
>>  think would  be such an issue.  I mean I do it regularly for DOS when I
>>  find a later  edition of DOS that gives me something needful.  My  present
>>  dos package for example is only a few  years old comparatively speaking,
>>  has full USB
>>  support, networking etc. However I have been trying to find local talent
>>  for the Linux side for more than  a decade now, almost 15 years  or so I
>>  imagine.
>>  User groups tend to have a laid back perspective  if they can be found.
>>  clear, fundamental and step by step information in basic but informative
>>  detail  does not exist, let alone in person training.
>>
>>  I even had someone try to install Linux to a drive and send it, only not
>>  to have Linux support any of the hand picked hardware, or for that person
>>  to have included any way to reach the internet...I am serious.
>>  I would ssh telnet into the box just like I do for Shellworld which is now
>>  running   Ubuntu 16.04, or my dreamhost setup for work which is not as
>>  current.
>>  I have no problem doing that at all, but the box must exist setup to my
>>  specifications, I intend using it for music making and media..which means
>>  in person real skill.  long distance has simply produced amusing efforts
>>  with no progress.
>>  My favorite local effort was when someone building a machine for me showed
>>  up with a live disk prepared to introduce me to Linux.
>>  They popped in the cd and we waited...and waited...and waited lol!
>>
>>  besides, I think speekup still puts all the controls on one side of the
>>  keyboard, not using the full thing,  which for me personally is counter
>>  productive.
>>  My present screen readers, all of the ones on my machine actually, let me
>>  get information without ever taking my hands off the keys unless I need to
>>  review.
>>  Most important though since all software speech makes me dizzy is the need
>>  to keep the voice I have with whatever I am using.
>>  Long answer to as short comment,
>>  Kare
>> 
>>
>>  On Thu, 1 Jun 2017, Linux for blind general discussion wrote:
>> 
>> >  If you're in the market for a linux laptop, http://www.thinkpenguin.com/ 
>> >  is one good source.
>> > 
>> >  On Thu, 1 Jun 2017, Linux for blind general discussion wrote:
>> > 
>> > >   Date: Thu, 1 Jun 2017 09:57:30
>> > >   From: Linux for blind general discussion <blinux-list at redhat.com>
>> > >   To: Linux for blind general discussion <blinux-list at redhat.com>
>> > >   Subject: Re: living in the console.
>> > > 
>> > >   which is why I am going to find one on line somewhere.
>> > >   I have no actual Linux box myself.
>> > >   Kare
>> > > 
>> > > 
>> > >   On Wed, 31 May 2017, Linux for blind general discussion wrote:
>> > > 
>> > > >   Oh I think there is a file somewhere called setup.exe or 
>> > > >   edbrowse-setup or something like that.
>> > > >   Sorry it has been many years since I did the setup.
>> > > >   The readme file will tell you all about it.
>> > > > > >   On May 31, 2017, at 10:26 PM, Linux for blind general 
>> > > > > >   discussion > 
>> > >  <blinux-list at redhat.com> wrote:
>> > > > >   Well it must require more because when I tried visiting paypal I 
>> > > > >   just 
>> > > >   got a series  of numbers and a blank page.
>> > > >   Even trying for a help menu produced the question, are you looking 
>> > > >   for business solutions?
>> > > >   Granted we may not have it fully configured here at shellworld.
>> > > >   Will hunt some sort of manual and try again,
>> > > >   Kare
>> > > > > > >   On Wed, 31 May 2017, Linux for blind general discussion 
>> > > > > > >   wrote:
>> > > > > > >   If you mean to browse something just type:
>> > > > > > >   edbrowse url
>> > > > >   or
>> > > > >   edbrowse file
>> > > > > > >   Then you can use the same commands as ed.
>> > > > > > >   edbrowse is also an email reader/sender and other stuff. I 
>> > > > > > >   love 
>> > >  it.
>> > > > > > > > >   On May 30, 2017, at 5:08 PM, Linux for blind general 
>> > > discussion > >   <blinux-list at redhat.com> wrote:
>> > > > > > >   Out of curiosity, what is the syntax for ebrowse?
>> > > > >   We have it here at shellworld...I think, and I wish to test 
>> > >  something.
>> > > > >   Karen
>> > > > > > > > > >   On Fri, 26 May 2017, Linux for blind general discussion 
>> > >  wrote:
>> > > > > > > > >   Edbrowse may help for web browsing alonggg with 
>> > >  surfraw-heavy.
>> > > > > > > > >   Sent from BlueMail for iPhone
>> > > > > >   On May 25, 2017 at 7:18 PM, Linux for blind general discussion 
>> > > > > >   > > 
>> > > >   <blinux-list at redhat.com> wrote:
>> > > > > > > > >   Tim here
>> > > > > > > > >   Mark Peveto wrote
>> > > > > >   Over the last couple days or so, I've considered becoming a 
>> > > > > >   totally
>> > > > > >   command line linux user.
>> > > > > > > > >   I'm mostly there. Web browsing is the big hurdle for much 
>> > > > > > > > >   of 
>> > >  my
>> > > > > >   day-to-day use. Lynx/links/elinks work for many things, but 
>> > > > > >   some
>> > > > > >   sites just need a fully modern-standards-supporting browser.
>> > > > > > > > >   How would I print to my printer for example,
>> > > > > > > > >   It depends on what you want to print, but it usually 
>> > > > > > > > >   involves 
>> > >  piping
>> > > > > >   things to the "lp" ("line printer") program. It can be 
>> > > > > >   configured 
>> > >  to
>> > > > > >   use CUPS on the back end (and may already be configured out of 
>> > > > > >   the
>> > > > > >   box for you).
>> > > > > > > > >   Getting fancier output would involve rendering some sort 
>> > > > > > > > >   of 
>> > >  markup.
>> > > > > >   There are tools to render HTML, LaTeX, PDFs, and even > > > 
>> > >  Word/LibreOffice
>> > > > > >   docs from the command-line to the printer.
>> > > > > > > > >   I don't know what you want to print, but I suspect it can 
>> > > > > > > > >   be 
>> > >  done in
>> > > > > >   most cases.
>> > > > > > > > >   play an entire album from my music collection.
>> > > > > > > > >   It depends on your tastes, but there are literally dozens 
>> > > > > > > > >   of 
>> > >  music
>> > > > > >   players. Some, such as mpg123/mpg312/aplay/ogg123 allow you to
>> > > > > >   specify just the files you want on the command line and it will 
>> > >  play
>> > > > > >   them. Others, like mplayer are similar but give you a little 
>> > > > > >   more
>> > > > > >   control over playback.
>> > > > > > > > >   There's also mpd/mpc which is the Music Player 
>> > > > > > > > >   Daemon/Client 
>> > >  that
>> > > > > >   runs in the background and doesn't really have a GUI. The mpd
>> > > > > >   program runs in the background and the mpc program acts like a
>> > > > > >   remote-control, letting you create/edit playlists, control 
>> > >  playback,
>> > > > > >   etc. I like the remote-control aspect as I can map them to
>> > > > > >   particular keys on my keyboard or aliases in the shell and have 
>> > > > > >   > > 
>> > > >   quick
>> > > > > >   access to common commands with my media-keys.
>> > > > > > > > >   Personally, I use "cmus" which has a text-mode GUI but 
>> > > > > > > > >   also 
>> > >  has a
>> > > > > >   remote-control interface like mpd/mpc. I start up tmux and have 
>> > > > > >   a
>> > > > > >   pane for my alsamixer and cmus which lets me flip between them 
>> > > > > >   > > 
>> > > >   pretty
>> > > > > >   readily. It allows me to make play-lists, search my collection,
>> > > > > >   shuffle, etc, much like you'd be familiar with in a graphical > 
>> > > > > >   > > 
>> > >  player.
>> > > > > > > > > > > >   How, also, would I create documents in something 
>> > > > > > > > > > > >   beyond 
>> > >  text
>> > > > > >   format?
>> > > > > > > > >   usually it's done with a markup that suits your tastes. I 
>> > >  personally
>> > > > > >   have been writing HTML by hand since college in the mid 90s so 
>> > > > > >   > > 
>> > > >   that's
>> > > > > >   what I reach for. But other people like TeX/LaTeX (it does 
>> > > > > >   produce
>> > > > > >   some beautiful output and also has external library support for 
>> > > > > >   > > 
>> > > >   things
>> > > > > >   like music markup letting you write scores) while other people 
>> > > > > >   like
>> > > > > >   some of the more light-weight markup languages like Markdown or 
>> > > > > >   RST
>> > > > > >   or the like.
>> > > > > > > > >   I'd kick the tires on a few and see what feels natural to 
>> > >  you.
>> > > > > >   Fortunately, there's a tool called "pandoc" that lets you 
>> > > > > >   convert
>> > > > > >   between a large number of input/output formats so you can write 
>> > > > > >   in
>> > > > > >   Markdown and convert to PDF, or write in HTML and convert to 
>> > >  MS-Word
>> > > > > >   format, or write in LaTeX and convert to ePub with minimal 
>> > > > > >   loss. 
>> > >  And
>> > > > > >   it outputs any of them in plain-text (though you may lose some
>> > > > > >   information in the process since plain-text doesn't support 
>> > > > > >   many
>> > > > > >   features as you've acknowledged)
>> > > > > > > > >   How does one ditch the guy, and still enjoy all linux has 
>> > > > > > > > >   to 
>> > >  offer
>> > > > > >   in the console?
>> > > > > > > > >   One program at a time (grins). So much like each of the 
>> > > > > > > > >   items 
>> > >  above,
>> > > > > >   it's a matter of asking "I currently do XYZ in the GUI but 
>> > > > > >   would > 
>> > > > >   like
>> > > > > >   to do XYZ in the console" for whatever XYZ is your next 
>> > > > > >   adventure.
>> > > > > > > > >   I maintain a page listing a number of common command-line 
>> > >  tools:
>> > > > > > > > > 
>> > >  http://tim.thechases.com/posts/cli/software-for-a-command-line-world/
>> > > > > > > > >   that can point you in the direction of various 
>> > > > > > > > >   applications 
>> > >  to try
>> > > > > >   out. Some might drive you crazy while others might fit your 
>> > > > > >   brain
>> > > > > >   just right. They should all be free and are likely in most 
>> > > > > >   software
>> > > > > >   repos, so it doesn't cost you anything except a little time to 
>> > > > > >   try
>> > > > > >   each one out.
>> > > > > > > > >   I'm willing to learn how to do this, but who ever decides 
>> > > > > > > > >   to 
>> > >  help
>> > > > > >   me is gonna hafta be patient.
>> > > > > > > > >   The folks on this list are a pretty friendly & patient 
>> > > > > > > > >   bunch, 
>> > >  so
>> > > > > >   we'll be glad to help where we can.
>> > > > > > > > >   -tim
>> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 
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