living in the console.

Linux for blind general discussion blinux-list at redhat.com
Fri Jun 2 02:12:09 UTC 2017 

Actually,
This claim is not true or at least not entirely.
While freedos is indeed currently developed, there are many pure dos 
things that present issues.  I have been on the freedos list for a number 
of years, one reason why I do not use freedos myself is the risks involved 
with   blending traditional sources of dos programs with freedos.
Further, unless they incorporated a different USB driver, the one included 
is not full proof.
Granted those doing the steps you desire can suggest for themselves.
Still I run a package of ms dos 7.1 which has utilities from 2005 or so. 
additionally I have a USB dos driver written by Panasonic which does far 
more than the USB one included with freedos.
the package installs from a cd, although you can create floppies if you 
desire.
A great deal  depends on your hardware, I have my  computers built, the one 
I am  using now is a p3 with about 780 meg of memory, but I have used dos 
successfully since 1988.
I am looking forward to learning which DOS editions other members are 
using.  I still have a copy of telix myself smiles.
Karen


On Thu, 1 Jun 2017, Linux for blind general discussion wrote:

> Tim here. The FreeDOS folks just released version 1.2 earlier this
> year
>
> http://www.freedos.org/download/
>
> which is available for free and has multiple installation-media
> images (ISOs to burn a CD along with a boot-floppy image if your
> machine is so old that it won't boot to a CD, as well as a disk-image
> files to write to a USB disk)
>
> It's actively developed and should run pretty much any DOS
> application that you throw at it.
>
> -tim
>
> On June  1, 2017, Linux for blind general discussion wrote:
>> Ok, this dos discussion makes me wanna run dos.  Coolness!
>> How can i get it?
>>
>>
>> Mark Peveto
>> Registered Linux user number 600552
>> Everything happens after coffee!
>>
>> On Thu, 1 Jun 2017, Linux for blind general discussion wrote:
>>
>>> The solution I've been using for years is to use my DOS machine
>>> running Telix, a vt100 terminal emulator and Vocal Eyes screen
>>> reader.
>>>
>>> Then I just connect to my local linux box using a null modem
>>> cable and from there run screen for multiple consoles.
>>>
>>> Linux does all the heavy lifting including mplayer, lynx, ssh to
>>> remote accounts etc.
>>>
>>> The best part of this mode of operation is that all linux
>>> consoles feel the same.  Regardless whether they are on my local
>>> box, on my Panix shell account, or on a remote work server.
>>>
>>> And as was pointed out, I can control all the speech controls
>>> from my main keyboard.
>>>
>>>
>>> On Thu, Jun 01, 2017 at 04:02:42PM -0400, Linux for blind general
>>> discussion wrote:
>>>> If two local computers are available with one running dos and a
>>>> compatible screen reader and a user is willing and able to work
>>>> in the console it's possible with a null modem cable and a
>>>> program like kermit or commo on the dos machine to connect to
>>>> the other computer running linux and have all console output
>>>> redirected out the linux serial port to the dos box.  I did
>>>> this once with only one version of linux and the information on
>>>> how to do that is in one of linux-howtos serial howto files.
>>>>
>>>> On Thu, 1 Jun 2017, Linux for blind general discussion wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> Date: Thu, 1 Jun 2017 14:03:36
>>>>> From: Linux for blind general discussion
>>>>> <blinux-list at redhat.com> To: Linux for blind general
>>>>> discussion <blinux-list at redhat.com> Subject: Re: living in
>>>>> the console.
>>>>>
>>>>> I am not.
>>>>> since none of the Linux speech sources currently support my
>>>>> synthesizer, it is not like I can just buy a system.
>>>>> That means having one built and configured locally..something
>>>>> I did not think would  be such an issue.  I mean I do it
>>>>> regularly for DOS when I find a later  edition of DOS that
>>>>> gives me something needful.  My present dos package for
>>>>> example is only a few  years old comparatively speaking, has
>>>>> full USB support, networking etc. However I have been trying
>>>>> to find local talent for the Linux side for more than  a
>>>>> decade now, almost 15 years  or so I imagine.
>>>>> User groups tend to have a laid back perspective  if they can
>>>>> be found. clear, fundamental and step by step information in
>>>>> basic but informative detail  does not exist, let alone in
>>>>> person training.
>>>>>
>>>>> I even had someone try to install Linux to a drive and send
>>>>> it, only not to have Linux support any of the hand picked
>>>>> hardware, or for that person to have included any way to
>>>>> reach the internet...I am serious. I would ssh telnet into
>>>>> the box just like I do for Shellworld which is now running
>>>>> Ubuntu 16.04, or my dreamhost setup for work which is not as
>>>>> current. I have no problem doing that at all, but the box
>>>>> must exist setup to my specifications, I intend using it for
>>>>> music making and media..which means in person real skill.
>>>>> long distance has simply produced amusing efforts with no
>>>>> progress. My favorite local effort was when someone building
>>>>> a machine for me showed up with a live disk prepared to
>>>>> introduce me to Linux. They popped in the cd and we
>>>>> waited...and waited...and waited lol!
>>>>>
>>>>> besides, I think speekup still puts all the controls on one
>>>>> side of the keyboard, not using the full thing,  which for me
>>>>> personally is counter productive.
>>>>> My present screen readers, all of the ones on my machine
>>>>> actually, let me get information without ever taking my hands
>>>>> off the keys unless I need to review.
>>>>> Most important though since all software speech makes me
>>>>> dizzy is the need to keep the voice I have with whatever I am
>>>>> using. Long answer to as short comment,
>>>>> Kare
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> On Thu, 1 Jun 2017, Linux for blind general discussion wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> If you're in the market for a linux laptop,
>>>>>> http://www.thinkpenguin.com/ is one good source.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> On Thu, 1 Jun 2017, Linux for blind general discussion
>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>>  Date: Thu, 1 Jun 2017 09:57:30
>>>>>>>  From: Linux for blind general discussion
>>>>>>> <blinux-list at redhat.com> To: Linux for blind general
>>>>>>> discussion <blinux-list at redhat.com> Subject: Re: living
>>>>>>> in the console.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>  which is why I am going to find one on line somewhere.
>>>>>>>  I have no actual Linux box myself.
>>>>>>>  Kare
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>  On Wed, 31 May 2017, Linux for blind general discussion
>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>  Oh I think there is a file somewhere called setup.exe
>>>>>>>> or
>>>>>>> edbrowse-setup >  or something like that.
>>>>>>>>  Sorry it has been many years since I did the setup.
>>>>>>>>  The readme file will tell you all about it.
>>>>>>>>>>  On May 31, 2017, at 10:26 PM, Linux for blind
>>>>>>>>>> general
>>>>>>> discussion > <blinux-list at redhat.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>  Well it must require more because when I tried
>>>>>>>>> visiting
>>>>>>> paypal I just >  got a series  of numbers and a blank
>>>>>>> page.
>>>>>>>>  Even trying for a help menu produced the question, are
>>>>>>>> you
>>>>>>> looking for >  business solutions?
>>>>>>>>  Granted we may not have it fully configured here at
>>>>>>>> shellworld. Will hunt some sort of manual and try again,
>>>>>>>>  Kare
>>>>>>>>>>>  On Wed, 31 May 2017, Linux for blind general
>>>>>>>>>>> discussion wrote: If you mean to browse something
>>>>>>>>>>> just type: edbrowse url
>>>>>>>>>  or
>>>>>>>>>  edbrowse file
>>>>>>>>>>>  Then you can use the same commands as ed.
>>>>>>>>>>>  edbrowse is also an email reader/sender and other
>>>>>>> stuff. I love it.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>  On May 30, 2017, at 5:08 PM, Linux for blind
>>>>>>> general discussion > >  <blinux-list at redhat.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>  Out of curiosity, what is the syntax for ebrowse?
>>>>>>>>>  We have it here at shellworld...I think, and I wish
>>>>>>>>> to test
>>>>>>> something.
>>>>>>>>>  Karen
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>  On Fri, 26 May 2017, Linux for blind
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> general
>>>>>>> discussion wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>  Edbrowse may help for web browsing alonggg
>>>>>>>>>>>>> with
>>>>>>> surfraw-heavy.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>  Sent from BlueMail for iPhone
>>>>>>>>>>  On May 25, 2017 at 7:18 PM, Linux for blind general
>>>>>>> discussion > > >  <blinux-list at redhat.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>  Tim here
>>>>>>>>>>>>>  Mark Peveto wrote
>>>>>>>>>>  Over the last couple days or so, I've considered
>>>>>>>>>> becoming a totally command line linux user.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>  I'm mostly there. Web browsing is the big
>>>>>>>>>>>>> hurdle
>>>>>>> for much of my
>>>>>>>>>>  day-to-day use. Lynx/links/elinks work for many
>>>>>>>>>> things, but some sites just need a fully
>>>>>>>>>> modern-standards-supporting browser.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>  How would I print to my printer for example,
>>>>>>>>>>>>>  It depends on what you want to print, but it
>>>>>>> usually involves piping
>>>>>>>>>>  things to the "lp" ("line printer") program. It
>>>>>>>>>> can be
>>>>>>> configured to
>>>>>>>>>>  use CUPS on the back end (and may already be
>>>>>>>>>> configured out of the box for you).
>>>>>>>>>>>>>  Getting fancier output would involve
>>>>>>>>>>>>> rendering some
>>>>>>> sort of markup.
>>>>>>>>>>  There are tools to render HTML, LaTeX, PDFs, and
>>>>>>>>>> even > >
>>>>>>>> Word/LibreOffice
>>>>>>>>>>  docs from the command-line to the printer.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>  I don't know what you want to print, but I
>>>>>>>>>>>>> suspect
>>>>>>> it can be done in
>>>>>>>>>>  most cases.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>  play an entire album from my music
>>>>>>>>>>>>> collection. It depends on your tastes, but
>>>>>>>>>>>>> there are literally
>>>>>>> dozens of music
>>>>>>>>>>  players. Some, such as mpg123/mpg312/aplay/ogg123
>>>>>>>>>> allow you to specify just the files you want on the
>>>>>>>>>> command line and
>>>>>>> it will play
>>>>>>>>>>  them. Others, like mplayer are similar but give
>>>>>>>>>> you a little more control over playback.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>  There's also mpd/mpc which is the Music
>>>>>>>>>>>>> Player
>>>>>>> Daemon/Client that
>>>>>>>>>>  runs in the background and doesn't really have a
>>>>>>>>>> GUI. The mpd program runs in the background and the
>>>>>>>>>> mpc program acts like a remote-control, letting you
>>>>>>>>>> create/edit playlists,
>>>>>>> control playback,
>>>>>>>>>>  etc. I like the remote-control aspect as I can map
>>>>>>>>>> them to particular keys on my keyboard or aliases
>>>>>>>>>> in the shell
>>>>>>> and have > > >  quick
>>>>>>>>>>  access to common commands with my media-keys.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>  Personally, I use "cmus" which has a
>>>>>>>>>>>>> text-mode GUI
>>>>>>> but also has a
>>>>>>>>>>  remote-control interface like mpd/mpc. I start up
>>>>>>>>>> tmux and have a pane for my alsamixer and cmus
>>>>>>>>>> which lets me flip between
>>>>>>> them > > >  pretty
>>>>>>>>>>  readily. It allows me to make play-lists, search
>>>>>>>>>> my collection, shuffle, etc, much like you'd be
>>>>>>>>>> familiar with in a
>>>>>>> graphical > > > player.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>  How, also, would I create documents in
>>>>>>> something beyond text
>>>>>>>>>>  format?
>>>>>>>>>>>>>  usually it's done with a markup that suits
>>>>>>>>>>>>> your
>>>>>>> tastes. I personally
>>>>>>>>>>  have been writing HTML by hand since college in
>>>>>>>>>> the mid
>>>>>>> 90s so > > >  that's
>>>>>>>>>>  what I reach for. But other people like TeX/LaTeX
>>>>>>>>>> (it does produce some beautiful output and also has
>>>>>>>>>> external library
>>>>>>> support for > > >  things
>>>>>>>>>>  like music markup letting you write scores) while
>>>>>>>>>> other people like some of the more light-weight
>>>>>>>>>> markup languages like Markdown or RST or the like.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>  I'd kick the tires on a few and see what
>>>>>>>>>>>>> feels
>>>>>>> natural to you.
>>>>>>>>>>  Fortunately, there's a tool called "pandoc" that
>>>>>>>>>> lets you convert between a large number of
>>>>>>>>>> input/output formats so you can write in Markdown
>>>>>>>>>> and convert to PDF, or write in HTML and convert
>>>>>>> to MS-Word
>>>>>>>>>>  format, or write in LaTeX and convert to ePub with
>>>>>>> minimal loss. And
>>>>>>>>>>  it outputs any of them in plain-text (though you
>>>>>>>>>> may lose some information in the process since
>>>>>>>>>> plain-text doesn't support many features as you've
>>>>>>>>>> acknowledged)
>>>>>>>>>>>>>  How does one ditch the guy, and still enjoy
>>>>>>>>>>>>> all
>>>>>>> linux has to offer
>>>>>>>>>>  in the console?
>>>>>>>>>>>>>  One program at a time (grins). So much like
>>>>>>>>>>>>> each of
>>>>>>> the items above,
>>>>>>>>>>  it's a matter of asking "I currently do XYZ in the
>>>>>>>>>> GUI
>>>>>>> but would > > >  like
>>>>>>>>>>  to do XYZ in the console" for whatever XYZ is your
>>>>>>>>>> next adventure.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>  I maintain a page listing a number of common
>>>>>>> command-line tools:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> http://tim.thechases.com/posts/cli/software-for-a-command-line-world/
>>>>>>>>>>>>>  that can point you in the direction of
>>>>>>>>>>>>> various
>>>>>>> applications to try
>>>>>>>>>>  out. Some might drive you crazy while others might
>>>>>>>>>> fit your brain just right. They should all be free
>>>>>>>>>> and are likely in most software repos, so it
>>>>>>>>>> doesn't cost you anything except a little time to
>>>>>>>>>> try each one out.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>  I'm willing to learn how to do this, but who
>>>>>>>>>>>>> ever
>>>>>>> decides to help
>>>>>>>>>>  me is gonna hafta be patient.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>  The folks on this list are a pretty friendly
>>>>>>>>>>>>> &
>>>>>>> patient bunch, so
>>>>>>>>>>  we'll be glad to help where we can.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>  -tim
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
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