living in the console.
Linux for blind general discussion
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jaws for dos last time I found it was on an ftp site. I used that link
several years ago and haven't got it any longer, but freedomscientific I
think has an ftp site separate from its web page you might search
through.
Depending on your hardware synthesizer, provox 7 which is a pretty close
emulation of vocaleyes may work.
On Thu, 1 Jun 2017, Linux for blind general discussion wrote:
> Date: Thu, 1 Jun 2017 22:52:31
> From: Linux for blind general discussion <blinux-list at redhat.com>
> To: Linux for blind general discussion <blinux-list at redhat.com>
> Subject: Re: living in the console.
>
> I made a free dos cd. I've got a dectalk express hooked up to this machine. I have demos of asap and vocal eyes. Couldn't get jaws for dos, which I
> really wanted. But if I put the cd in, and let it spin a while, how do I get dectalk talking so I can work the install and stuff? Been years since
> I've done this, and a reader isn't readily available. More input would be helpful. thanks yall.
>
>
>
> Mark Peveto
> Registered Linux user number 600552
> Everything happens after coffee!
>
> On Thu, 1 Jun 2017, Linux for blind general discussion wrote:
>
>> again, my note on hardware, starting with a good dos synthesizer and screen
>> reading program.
>> If your machine is dos ready, you can manage, for example including the start
>> files for your screen reader on the disk you are using. Or installing first
>> from floppy etc.
>> Depends on what you are using all the way around.
>> Karen
>>
>>
>> On Thu, 1 Jun 2017, Linux for blind general discussion wrote:
>>
>>> How's a feller handle installation if he can't see the screen?
>>>
>>>
>>> Mark Peveto
>>> Registered Linux user number 600552
>>> Everything happens after coffee!
>>>
>>> On Thu, 1 Jun 2017, Linux for blind general discussion wrote:
>>>
>>>> Tim here. The FreeDOS folks just released version 1.2 earlier this
>>>> year
>>>>
>>>> http://www.freedos.org/download/
>>>>
>>>> which is available for free and has multiple installation-media
>>>> images (ISOs to burn a CD along with a boot-floppy image if your
>>>> machine is so old that it won't boot to a CD, as well as a disk-image
>>>> files to write to a USB disk)
>>>>
>>>> It's actively developed and should run pretty much any DOS
>>>> application that you throw at it.
>>>>
>>>> -tim
>>>>
>>>> On June 1, 2017, Linux for blind general discussion wrote:
>>>>> Ok, this dos discussion makes me wanna run dos. Coolness!
>>>>> How can i get it?
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> Mark Peveto
>>>>> Registered Linux user number 600552
>>>>> Everything happens after coffee!
>>>>>
>>>>> On Thu, 1 Jun 2017, Linux for blind general discussion wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> The solution I've been using for years is to use my DOS machine
>>>>>> running Telix, a vt100 terminal emulator and Vocal Eyes screen
>>>>>> reader.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Then I just connect to my local linux box using a null modem
>>>>>> cable and from there run screen for multiple consoles.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Linux does all the heavy lifting including mplayer, lynx, ssh to
>>>>>> remote accounts etc.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> The best part of this mode of operation is that all linux
>>>>>> consoles feel the same. Regardless whether they are on my local
>>>>>> box, on my Panix shell account, or on a remote work server.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> And as was pointed out, I can control all the speech controls
>>>>>> from my main keyboard.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> On Thu, Jun 01, 2017 at 04:02:42PM -0400, Linux for blind general
>>>>>> discussion wrote:
>>>>>>> If two local computers are available with one running dos and a
>>>>>>> compatible screen reader and a user is willing and able to work
>>>>>>> in the console it's possible with a null modem cable and a
>>>>>>> program like kermit or commo on the dos machine to connect to
>>>>>>> the other computer running linux and have all console output
>>>>>>> redirected out the linux serial port to the dos box. I did
>>>>>>> this once with only one version of linux and the information on
>>>>>>> how to do that is in one of linux-howtos serial howto files.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> On Thu, 1 Jun 2017, Linux for blind general discussion wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Date: Thu, 1 Jun 2017 14:03:36
>>>>>>>> From: Linux for blind general discussion
>>>>>>>> <blinux-list at redhat.com> To: Linux for blind general
>>>>>>>> discussion <blinux-list at redhat.com> Subject: Re: living in
>>>>>>>> the console.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> I am not.
>>>>>>>> since none of the Linux speech sources currently support my
>>>>>>>> synthesizer, it is not like I can just buy a system.
>>>>>>>> That means having one built and configured locally..something
>>>>>>>> I did not think would be such an issue. I mean I do it
>>>>>>>> regularly for DOS when I find a later edition of DOS that
>>>>>>>> gives me something needful. My present dos package for
>>>>>>>> example is only a few years old comparatively speaking, has
>>>>>>>> full USB support, networking etc. However I have been trying
>>>>>>>> to find local talent for the Linux side for more than a
>>>>>>>> decade now, almost 15 years or so I imagine.
>>>>>>>> User groups tend to have a laid back perspective if they can
>>>>>>>> be found. clear, fundamental and step by step information in
>>>>>>>> basic but informative detail does not exist, let alone in
>>>>>>>> person training.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> I even had someone try to install Linux to a drive and send
>>>>>>>> it, only not to have Linux support any of the hand picked
>>>>>>>> hardware, or for that person to have included any way to
>>>>>>>> reach the internet...I am serious. I would ssh telnet into
>>>>>>>> the box just like I do for Shellworld which is now running
>>>>>>>> Ubuntu 16.04, or my dreamhost setup for work which is not as
>>>>>>>> current. I have no problem doing that at all, but the box
>>>>>>>> must exist setup to my specifications, I intend using it for
>>>>>>>> music making and media..which means in person real skill.
>>>>>>>> long distance has simply produced amusing efforts with no
>>>>>>>> progress. My favorite local effort was when someone building
>>>>>>>> a machine for me showed up with a live disk prepared to
>>>>>>>> introduce me to Linux. They popped in the cd and we
>>>>>>>> waited...and waited...and waited lol!
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> besides, I think speekup still puts all the controls on one
>>>>>>>> side of the keyboard, not using the full thing, which for me
>>>>>>>> personally is counter productive.
>>>>>>>> My present screen readers, all of the ones on my machine
>>>>>>>> actually, let me get information without ever taking my hands
>>>>>>>> off the keys unless I need to review.
>>>>>>>> Most important though since all software speech makes me
>>>>>>>> dizzy is the need to keep the voice I have with whatever I am
>>>>>>>> using. Long answer to as short comment,
>>>>>>>> Kare
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> On Thu, 1 Jun 2017, Linux for blind general discussion wrote:
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> If you're in the market for a linux laptop,
>>>>>>>>> http://www.thinkpenguin.com/ is one good source.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> On Thu, 1 Jun 2017, Linux for blind general discussion
>>>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Date: Thu, 1 Jun 2017 09:57:30
>>>>>>>>>> From: Linux for blind general discussion
>>>>>>>>>> <blinux-list at redhat.com> To: Linux for blind general
>>>>>>>>>> discussion <blinux-list at redhat.com> Subject: Re: living
>>>>>>>>>> in the console.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> which is why I am going to find one on line somewhere.
>>>>>>>>>> I have no actual Linux box myself.
>>>>>>>>>> Kare
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> On Wed, 31 May 2017, Linux for blind general discussion
>>>>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> Oh I think there is a file somewhere called setup.exe
>>>>>>>>>>> or
>>>>>>>>>> edbrowse-setup > or something like that.
>>>>>>>>>>> Sorry it has been many years since I did the setup.
>>>>>>>>>>> The readme file will tell you all about it.
>>>>>>>>>>>>> On May 31, 2017, at 10:26 PM, Linux for blind
>>>>>>>>>>>>> general
>>>>>>>>>> discussion > <blinux-list at redhat.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>> Well it must require more because when I tried
>>>>>>>>>>>> visiting
>>>>>>>>>> paypal I just > got a series of numbers and a blank
>>>>>>>>>> page.
>>>>>>>>>>> Even trying for a help menu produced the question, are
>>>>>>>>>>> you
>>>>>>>>>> looking for > business solutions?
>>>>>>>>>>> Granted we may not have it fully configured here at
>>>>>>>>>>> shellworld. Will hunt some sort of manual and try again,
>>>>>>>>>>> Kare
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Wed, 31 May 2017, Linux for blind general
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> discussion wrote: If you mean to browse something
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> just type: edbrowse url
>>>>>>>>>>>> or
>>>>>>>>>>>> edbrowse file
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Then you can use the same commands as ed.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> edbrowse is also an email reader/sender and other
>>>>>>>>>> stuff. I love it.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On May 30, 2017, at 5:08 PM, Linux for blind
>>>>>>>>>> general discussion > > <blinux-list at redhat.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Out of curiosity, what is the syntax for ebrowse?
>>>>>>>>>>>> We have it here at shellworld...I think, and I wish
>>>>>>>>>>>> to test
>>>>>>>>>> something.
>>>>>>>>>>>> Karen
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Fri, 26 May 2017, Linux for blind
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> general
>>>>>>>>>> discussion wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Edbrowse may help for web browsing alonggg
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> with
>>>>>>>>>> surfraw-heavy.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Sent from BlueMail for iPhone
>>>>>>>>>>>>> On May 25, 2017 at 7:18 PM, Linux for blind general
>>>>>>>>>> discussion > > > <blinux-list at redhat.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Tim here
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Mark Peveto wrote
>>>>>>>>>>>>> Over the last couple days or so, I've considered
>>>>>>>>>>>>> becoming a totally command line linux user.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I'm mostly there. Web browsing is the big
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> hurdle
>>>>>>>>>> for much of my
>>>>>>>>>>>>> day-to-day use. Lynx/links/elinks work for many
>>>>>>>>>>>>> things, but some sites just need a fully
>>>>>>>>>>>>> modern-standards-supporting browser.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> How would I print to my printer for example,
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> It depends on what you want to print, but it
>>>>>>>>>> usually involves piping
>>>>>>>>>>>>> things to the "lp" ("line printer") program. It
>>>>>>>>>>>>> can be
>>>>>>>>>> configured to
>>>>>>>>>>>>> use CUPS on the back end (and may already be
>>>>>>>>>>>>> configured out of the box for you).
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Getting fancier output would involve
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> rendering some
>>>>>>>>>> sort of markup.
>>>>>>>>>>>>> There are tools to render HTML, LaTeX, PDFs, and
>>>>>>>>>>>>> even > >
>>>>>>>>>>> Word/LibreOffice
>>>>>>>>>>>>> docs from the command-line to the printer.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I don't know what you want to print, but I
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> suspect
>>>>>>>>>> it can be done in
>>>>>>>>>>>>> most cases.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> play an entire album from my music
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> collection. It depends on your tastes, but
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> there are literally
>>>>>>>>>> dozens of music
>>>>>>>>>>>>> players. Some, such as mpg123/mpg312/aplay/ogg123
>>>>>>>>>>>>> allow you to specify just the files you want on the
>>>>>>>>>>>>> command line and
>>>>>>>>>> it will play
>>>>>>>>>>>>> them. Others, like mplayer are similar but give
>>>>>>>>>>>>> you a little more control over playback.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> There's also mpd/mpc which is the Music
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Player
>>>>>>>>>> Daemon/Client that
>>>>>>>>>>>>> runs in the background and doesn't really have a
>>>>>>>>>>>>> GUI. The mpd program runs in the background and the
>>>>>>>>>>>>> mpc program acts like a remote-control, letting you
>>>>>>>>>>>>> create/edit playlists,
>>>>>>>>>> control playback,
>>>>>>>>>>>>> etc. I like the remote-control aspect as I can map
>>>>>>>>>>>>> them to particular keys on my keyboard or aliases
>>>>>>>>>>>>> in the shell
>>>>>>>>>> and have > > > quick
>>>>>>>>>>>>> access to common commands with my media-keys.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Personally, I use "cmus" which has a
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> text-mode GUI
>>>>>>>>>> but also has a
>>>>>>>>>>>>> remote-control interface like mpd/mpc. I start up
>>>>>>>>>>>>> tmux and have a pane for my alsamixer and cmus
>>>>>>>>>>>>> which lets me flip between
>>>>>>>>>> them > > > pretty
>>>>>>>>>>>>> readily. It allows me to make play-lists, search
>>>>>>>>>>>>> my collection, shuffle, etc, much like you'd be
>>>>>>>>>>>>> familiar with in a
>>>>>>>>>> graphical > > > player.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> How, also, would I create documents in
>>>>>>>>>> something beyond text
>>>>>>>>>>>>> format?
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> usually it's done with a markup that suits
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> your
>>>>>>>>>> tastes. I personally
>>>>>>>>>>>>> have been writing HTML by hand since college in
>>>>>>>>>>>>> the mid
>>>>>>>>>> 90s so > > > that's
>>>>>>>>>>>>> what I reach for. But other people like TeX/LaTeX
>>>>>>>>>>>>> (it does produce some beautiful output and also has
>>>>>>>>>>>>> external library
>>>>>>>>>> support for > > > things
>>>>>>>>>>>>> like music markup letting you write scores) while
>>>>>>>>>>>>> other people like some of the more light-weight
>>>>>>>>>>>>> markup languages like Markdown or RST or the like.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I'd kick the tires on a few and see what
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> feels
>>>>>>>>>> natural to you.
>>>>>>>>>>>>> Fortunately, there's a tool called "pandoc" that
>>>>>>>>>>>>> lets you convert between a large number of
>>>>>>>>>>>>> input/output formats so you can write in Markdown
>>>>>>>>>>>>> and convert to PDF, or write in HTML and convert
>>>>>>>>>> to MS-Word
>>>>>>>>>>>>> format, or write in LaTeX and convert to ePub with
>>>>>>>>>> minimal loss. And
>>>>>>>>>>>>> it outputs any of them in plain-text (though you
>>>>>>>>>>>>> may lose some information in the process since
>>>>>>>>>>>>> plain-text doesn't support many features as you've
>>>>>>>>>>>>> acknowledged)
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> How does one ditch the guy, and still enjoy
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> all
>>>>>>>>>> linux has to offer
>>>>>>>>>>>>> in the console?
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> One program at a time (grins). So much like
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> each of
>>>>>>>>>> the items above,
>>>>>>>>>>>>> it's a matter of asking "I currently do XYZ in the
>>>>>>>>>>>>> GUI
>>>>>>>>>> but would > > > like
>>>>>>>>>>>>> to do XYZ in the console" for whatever XYZ is your
>>>>>>>>>>>>> next adventure.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I maintain a page listing a number of common
>>>>>>>>>> command-line tools:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> http://tim.thechases.com/posts/cli/software-for-a-command-line-world/
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> that can point you in the direction of
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> various
>>>>>>>>>> applications to try
>>>>>>>>>>>>> out. Some might drive you crazy while others might
>>>>>>>>>>>>> fit your brain just right. They should all be free
>>>>>>>>>>>>> and are likely in most software repos, so it
>>>>>>>>>>>>> doesn't cost you anything except a little time to
>>>>>>>>>>>>> try each one out.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I'm willing to learn how to do this, but who
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> ever
>>>>>>>>>> decides to help
>>>>>>>>>>>>> me is gonna hafta be patient.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> The folks on this list are a pretty friendly
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> &
>>>>>>>>>> patient bunch, so
>>>>>>>>>>>>> we'll be glad to help where we can.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> -tim
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
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