different desktops

[Linux for blind general discussion]

depending on the distribution you may need to install orca additively.


On Thu, 7 Apr 2022, Linux for blind general discussion wrote:

> When did Cinnamon get A11y?
>
> The narrative I've always heard is oh it has no A11Y by design?
>
> If that's actually changed recently I may give it a shot on Arch then
>
> On Wed, Apr 06, 2022 at 05:09:20PM -0400, Linux for blind general discussion wrote:
> > It's getting better and if memory serves is almost up with mate.
> >
> >
> > On Wed, 6 Apr 2022, Linux for blind general discussion wrote:
> >
> > > Is Cinnamon as good and accessible as  Mate? If thaat's so, it's great then.
> > >
> > > On Wed, Apr 06, 2022 at 03:17:39PM -0400, Linux for blind general discussion
> > > wrote:
> > > >Cinnamon would qualify as a desktop and is supposed to be similar to mate
> > > >in operation.
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >On Wed, 6 Apr 2022, Linux for blind general discussion wrote:
> > > >
> > > >> Just pointing out that Ratpoison+Strychnine, IceWm, Openbox and others
> > > >> aren't
> > > >> exactly full desktops, but are pretty much just the window manager side of
> > > >> things. A full desktop would include at least one panel with system
> > > >> tray/notification area, app indicators such as the battery monitor and
> > > >> clock,
> > > >> most of the time a file manager that doubles as a root window desktop that
> > > >> can
> > > >> include launchers and mount points and an application menu or some other
> > > >> type
> > > >> of launcher that allows you to see the applications on the system and
> > > >> launch
> > > >> them, usually grouped into various categories. Strychnine does do some of
> > > >> this
> > > >> for Ratpoison, but it's pretty much just a launcher menu and run window
> > > >> type
> > > >> of thing. Many components that would make it a full desktop are still
> > > >> missing,
> > > >> although it is possible to run Caja or Nautilus and possibly either
> > > >> mate-panel
> > > >> or gnome-panel along with it for a more full desktop experience if desired.
> > > >>
> > > >>
> > > >> About the best full desktop experience I've used is GNOME 2.x, which is
> > > >> continued as the MATE desktop. Some panel applets don't necessarily speak
> > > >> as
> > > >> much as they should, for example, nm-applet, which is the network manager,
> > > >> only says "panel," but for the most part, everything just works and is
> > > >> navigable with only a keyboard, although I find Orca's "speak object under
> > > >> mouse" to be fairly useful at times as well. GNOME 3.x and 40+ is another
> > > >> option, but some things seem to be a little less usable than the MATE
> > > >> desktop
> > > >> overall. KDE is coming along, but is still in the early stages of a11y
> > > >> development, so although many things are starting to work pretty well,
> > > >> others
> > > >> are still not quite usable at this stage. For full desktops, the only other
> > > >> partially usable options are xfce, lxde and lxqt, and all of those seem to
> > > >> be
> > > >> getting a bit long in the tooth, and some of these are even starting to
> > > >> lose
> > > >> some of the accessibility they once had. So as full desktops go, my three
> > > >> best
> > > >> recommendations would be MATE, then GNOME, then KDE. And then there are the
> > > >> window managers that include keyboard navigation, Ratpoison+Strychnine
> > > >> probably being the best of those options, although I have heard that IceWM,
> > > >> Fluxbox and Openbox, as well as possibly i3, can also be made more usable
> > > >> with
> > > >> either helper applications or hand-edited configuration files.
> > > >>
> > > >> ~Kyle
> > > >>
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