"Accessibility in Fedora Workstation" (fwd)

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Sat Aug 13 22:55:35 UTC 2022

Really?  that would be a second sale as last information I had  when gw 
micro was failing, an umbrella group of companies were managing  the 

On Sat, 13 Aug 2022, Jude DaShiell wrote:

> Jude DaShiell here, the Wufrug Group I think from Kuwait bought out FS.
> By now, Wufrug Group may have sold FS to another corporation for all I
> know.
> On Sat, 13 Aug 2022, K0LNY_Glenn wrote:
>> Well since Orca seems to work on so many distros, I don't know why FS would
>> not be able to do the same.
>> If Jaws users could switch into Linux, it would be a real game changer, and
>> I think with lots more Blind Linux users, we would start seeing
>> accessibility in Linux not being a second thought.
>> Glenn
>> ----- Original Message -----
>> From: "Karen Lewellen" <klewellen at shellworld.net>
>> To: "K0LNY_Glenn" <glenn at ervin.email>
>> Cc: <speakup at linux-speakup.org>; "Milan Zamazal" <pdm at zamazal.org>;
>> <Blinux-list at redhat.com>
>> Sent: Saturday, August 13, 2022 1:47 PM
>> Subject: Re: "Accessibility in Fedora Workstation" (fwd)
>> Well technically freedom scientific does not exist any longer, being bought
>> by another company.
>> Still, I can respect why they, or nvda have not created their tools for
>> Linux.
>> That is because as I understand it, Linux is  quite like clay. You can
>> mold a distribution into almost anything. there are various
>> personifications of the system, all sorts of ways and changes and options
>> for creativity.
>> however adaptive tools are often extensions of physical characteristics,
>> hands, eyes, ears, brains, combinations of these.
>> To build solid assistive tools one must have a solid  foundation as it
>> were.  that is part of why there have needed to be so few Apple  efforts at
>> inclusion, they  created  with, and then created in-house adaptive tools
>> for various  populations that were built into the system.
>> Although Microsoft did not bother until much later, in theory at least, the
>> consistency of windows is what makes it possible for freedom or the former
>> gw  micro or nvda to create something that can in theory  work.
>> Floor for the furniture is somewhat solid.
>> Just my thoughts,
>> On Sat, 13 Aug 2022, K0LNY_Glenn wrote:
>>> I would like to see Freedom Scientific make a Jaws For Linux.
>>> JFL
>>> I'd certainly pay the yearly rental fee for it, and it would bring many
>>> more
>>> users into Linux.
>>> FS could, with its resources, possibly make it more robust than Orca.
>>> Glenn
>>> ----- Original Message -----
>>> From: "Milan Zamazal" <pdm at zamazal.org>
>>> To: <speakup at linux-speakup.org>
>>> Cc: <Blinux-list at redhat.com>
>>> Sent: Saturday, August 13, 2022 12:08 PM
>>> Subject: Re: "Accessibility in Fedora Workstation" (fwd)
>>>>>>>> "KL" == Karen Lewellen <klewellen at shellworld.net> writes:
>>>    KL> What bothers me most are his lack of actual qualifications, and
>>>    KL> absolute dismissal of what he has not experienced..as if he
>>>    KL> defines Linux usage for everyone.  That attitude is dangerous,
>>>    KL> because he is educating those outside of the accessibility
>>>    KL> experiences, who will believe his ignorance is factual.  he has
>>>    KL> to be expert, it is his job.
>>> Hi Karen,
>>> I know Lukas personally and I admire his skills and qualifications.  I
>>> also know first hand that he is open to constructive feedback and I
>>> believe he?d be happy to be corrected about possible technical
>>> inaccuracies in the interview.  It may be also a good opportunity to
>>> find out what?s possibly missing in making anybody better informed.
>>> As for ?absolute dismissal of what he has not experienced?, what
>>> reasonable free software alternatives to a less or more standard desktop
>>> with Orca and a software synthesizer can you see for a common blind user
>>> who needs to use a fully working web browser, to read and process text
>>> documents, to be compatible with other computer users, etc.?
>>> And let?s be realistic.  We celebrate every single developer hired to
>>> improve accessibility.  This tells something about the state of the
>>> matters.  We cannot expect that a single person will fix all the kinds
>>> of accessibility problems in all the environments.  Lukas works at his
>>> job focusing on certain areas currently seen there as urgent ones and I
>>> appreciate this opportunity.  Anybody else seeing a need to work on
>>> other areas is welcome to contribute to whatever sees fit, as I do.
>>> Regards,
>>> Milan

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