"Accessibility in Fedora Workstation" (fwd)

Linux for blind general discussion blinux-list at redhat.com
Sat Aug 13 23:07:46 UTC 2022

And as I said from the outset, I am far more concerned with how this 
article   makes accessibility, and Red Hat commitment to accessibility 
appear  to the public.
A claim to having authority, when stating one knows nothing about how 
access can be provided to various populations equally deserving is 
even in the article comments an individual outlined a need, that they did 
not anticipate being met because Fedora was creating a "blindness" 
If your associate  leads with stated limits,  yet does not  indicate he 
plans to address them, inclusion on this platform for all who seek it 
seems  far from likely.
I do agree on the forum though. Had comment snot been closed by the time I 
got  the article, and I been  in a position to do so, I might have  raised 
them  on the spot.

On Sat, 13 Aug 2022, Milan Zamazal wrote:

>>>>>> "KL" == Karen Lewellen <klewellen at shellworld.net> writes:
>    KL> may I ask from where he obtained his software engineering
>    KL> degree?  Studied computer science?  Perhaps disability studies?
>    KL> there are certainly scores of disabled individuals with these
>    KL> various levels of qualification..even who are Linux users.  The
>    KL> interview did not document a single one, outside of his
>    KL> experiencing blindness..which is not going to insure he creates
>    KL> an accessible platform for fedora since access refers to several
>    KL> populations.  and he states he knows nothing about those.
> I have already said regarding this what I felt was needed and I don’t
> find appropriate continuing that discussion here.  I’d suggest focusing
> on how to improve free software accessibility instead.
> If anybody cares about Fedora accessibility, there is always opportunity
> to help by providing fixes to reported bugs, giving technical advice or
> filing bugs on not yet reported issues.  All of these is needed, it’s
> sometimes difficult to move on with some issues and to get any help.
> OTOH trying to demotivate people who work on accessibility is certainly
> not helpful.
> Regards,
> Milan
>    KL> On Sat, 13 Aug 2022, Milan Zamazal wrote:
>    >>>>>>> "KL" == Karen Lewellen <klewellen at shellworld.net> writes:
>    >>
>    KL> What bothers me most are his lack of actual qualifications, and
>    KL> absolute dismissal of what he has not experienced..as if he
>    KL> defines Linux usage for everyone.  That attitude is dangerous,
>    KL> because he is educating those outside of the accessibility
>    KL> experiences, who will believe his ignorance is factual.  he has
>    KL> to be expert, it is his job.
>    >>
>    >> Hi Karen,
>    >>
>    >> I know Lukas personally and I admire his skills and
>    >> qualifications.  I also know first hand that he is open to
>    >> constructive feedback and I believe he’d be happy to be corrected
>    >> about possible technical inaccuracies in the interview.  It may
>    >> be also a good opportunity to find out what’s possibly missing in
>    >> making anybody better informed.
>    >>
>    >> As for “absolute dismissal of what he has not experienced”, what
>    >> reasonable free software alternatives to a less or more standard
>    >> desktop with Orca and a software synthesizer can you see for a
>    >> common blind user who needs to use a fully working web browser,
>    >> to read and process text documents, to be compatible with other
>    >> computer users, etc.?
>    >>
>    >> And let’s be realistic.  We celebrate every single developer
>    >> hired to improve accessibility.  This tells something about the
>    >> state of the matters.  We cannot expect that a single person will
>    >> fix all the kinds of accessibility problems in all the
>    >> environments.  Lukas works at his job focusing on certain areas
>    >> currently seen there as urgent ones and I appreciate this
>    >> opportunity.  Anybody else seeing a need to work on other areas
>    >> is welcome to contribute to whatever sees fit, as I do.
>    >>
>    >> Regards, Milan
>    >>
>    >>
>    >>

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