"Accessibility in Fedora Workstation" (fwd)
Linux for blind general discussion
blinux-list at redhat.com
Sat Aug 13 23:07:46 UTC 2022
And as I said from the outset, I am far more concerned with how this
article makes accessibility, and Red Hat commitment to accessibility
appear to the public.
A claim to having authority, when stating one knows nothing about how
access can be provided to various populations equally deserving is
concerning.
even in the article comments an individual outlined a need, that they did
not anticipate being met because Fedora was creating a "blindness"
program.
If your associate leads with stated limits, yet does not indicate he
plans to address them, inclusion on this platform for all who seek it
seems far from likely.
I do agree on the forum though. Had comment snot been closed by the time I
got the article, and I been in a position to do so, I might have raised
them on the spot.
On Sat, 13 Aug 2022, Milan Zamazal wrote:
>>>>>> "KL" == Karen Lewellen <klewellen at shellworld.net> writes:
>
> KL> may I ask from where he obtained his software engineering
> KL> degree? Studied computer science? Perhaps disability studies?
> KL> there are certainly scores of disabled individuals with these
> KL> various levels of qualification..even who are Linux users. The
> KL> interview did not document a single one, outside of his
> KL> experiencing blindness..which is not going to insure he creates
> KL> an accessible platform for fedora since access refers to several
> KL> populations. and he states he knows nothing about those.
>
> I have already said regarding this what I felt was needed and I don’t
> find appropriate continuing that discussion here. I’d suggest focusing
> on how to improve free software accessibility instead.
>
> If anybody cares about Fedora accessibility, there is always opportunity
> to help by providing fixes to reported bugs, giving technical advice or
> filing bugs on not yet reported issues. All of these is needed, it’s
> sometimes difficult to move on with some issues and to get any help.
> OTOH trying to demotivate people who work on accessibility is certainly
> not helpful.
>
> Regards,
> Milan
>
> KL> On Sat, 13 Aug 2022, Milan Zamazal wrote:
>
> >>>>>>> "KL" == Karen Lewellen <klewellen at shellworld.net> writes:
> >>
> KL> What bothers me most are his lack of actual qualifications, and
> KL> absolute dismissal of what he has not experienced..as if he
> KL> defines Linux usage for everyone. That attitude is dangerous,
> KL> because he is educating those outside of the accessibility
> KL> experiences, who will believe his ignorance is factual. he has
> KL> to be expert, it is his job.
> >>
> >> Hi Karen,
> >>
> >> I know Lukas personally and I admire his skills and
> >> qualifications. I also know first hand that he is open to
> >> constructive feedback and I believe he’d be happy to be corrected
> >> about possible technical inaccuracies in the interview. It may
> >> be also a good opportunity to find out what’s possibly missing in
> >> making anybody better informed.
> >>
> >> As for “absolute dismissal of what he has not experienced”, what
> >> reasonable free software alternatives to a less or more standard
> >> desktop with Orca and a software synthesizer can you see for a
> >> common blind user who needs to use a fully working web browser,
> >> to read and process text documents, to be compatible with other
> >> computer users, etc.?
> >>
> >> And let’s be realistic. We celebrate every single developer
> >> hired to improve accessibility. This tells something about the
> >> state of the matters. We cannot expect that a single person will
> >> fix all the kinds of accessibility problems in all the
> >> environments. Lukas works at his job focusing on certain areas
> >> currently seen there as urgent ones and I appreciate this
> >> opportunity. Anybody else seeing a need to work on other areas
> >> is welcome to contribute to whatever sees fit, as I do.
> >>
> >> Regards, Milan
> >>
> >>
> >>
>
>
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