[Container-tools] [Devtools] openshift is way too permissive in the CDK/ADB

[Clayton Coleman]

Yes, this is an openshift problem (really, it's container platform,
but we'll use OpenShift as a proxy here).

We have added things that make it easier, and warnings, but people
don't read stuff.  For instance, new-app warns you, and "oc status"
tells you exactly what to do, but we need it in more places.

On Wed, May 18, 2016 at 9:17 AM, Burr Sutter <bsutter at redhat.com> wrote:
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> On Wed, May 18, 2016 at 8:34 AM, Aaron Weitekamp <aweiteka at redhat.com>
> wrote:
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>> On Wed, May 18, 2016 at 8:30 AM, Dusty Mabe <dusty at dustymabe.com> wrote:
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>>>
>>>
>>> On 05/18/2016 07:18 AM, Aslak Knutsen wrote:
>>> > I think most teams at the Brno F2F were struggling with this. It works
>>> > locally, but semi-obscure failures when pushed 'live'. And out of the 30 RH
>>> > engineers there, none knew 100% or was able to dig up a doc that explained
>>> > why and how to fix it...
>>> >
>>> > This is/will be a massive pain point moving from Dev to Production. The
>>> > very least we need some very clear, simple guides on how to make it work.
>>>
>>> Yeah, I think a lot of people are going to be very frustrated by this.
>>> It took me over an hour to track down and that's only because I know a
>>> lot about how the CDK is set up. Others would probably never be able
>>> to figure it out.
>>>
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>> For the "eval" use case we made the right choice. Dusty's question is
>> about the CDK use case. To my mind the CDK should add value to a
>> n openshift eval environment. This is a great opportunity for the CDK to
>> provide tooling to address this ubiquitous problem. Mitch Harpur's ideas
>> around this months ago were spot-on: walk devs through a journey, educate
>> them, etc.
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>
> Either the CDK can add this additional "tool", to help walk an end-user
> through a "proper" Dockerfile or pre-built container image.
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> OR
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> Openshift could offer this tool and I believe that is where it belongs.
> Because Openshift Online Users are going to hit this 100 times an hour once
> we open up the floodgates.  :-)
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