[Container-tools] [Devtools] openshift is way too permissive in the CDK/ADB

[Burr Sutter]

Actually I was thinking we need the warning on "oc start-build" since that
is how we are primarily re-deploying to OpenShift for Helloworld MSA.

On Wed, May 18, 2016 at 9:46 AM, Clayton Coleman <ccoleman at redhat.com>
wrote:

> Yes, this is an openshift problem (really, it's container platform,
> but we'll use OpenShift as a proxy here).
>
> We have added things that make it easier, and warnings, but people
> don't read stuff.  For instance, new-app warns you, and "oc status"
> tells you exactly what to do, but we need it in more places.
>
> On Wed, May 18, 2016 at 9:17 AM, Burr Sutter <bsutter at redhat.com> wrote:
> >
> >
> > On Wed, May 18, 2016 at 8:34 AM, Aaron Weitekamp <aweiteka at redhat.com>
> > wrote:
> >>
> >> On Wed, May 18, 2016 at 8:30 AM, Dusty Mabe <dusty at dustymabe.com>
> wrote:
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>> On 05/18/2016 07:18 AM, Aslak Knutsen wrote:
> >>> > I think most teams at the Brno F2F were struggling with this. It
> works
> >>> > locally, but semi-obscure failures when pushed 'live'. And out of
> the 30 RH
> >>> > engineers there, none knew 100% or was able to dig up a doc that
> explained
> >>> > why and how to fix it...
> >>> >
> >>> > This is/will be a massive pain point moving from Dev to Production.
> The
> >>> > very least we need some very clear, simple guides on how to make it
> work.
> >>>
> >>> Yeah, I think a lot of people are going to be very frustrated by this.
> >>> It took me over an hour to track down and that's only because I know a
> >>> lot about how the CDK is set up. Others would probably never be able
> >>> to figure it out.
> >>>
> >>
> >> For the "eval" use case we made the right choice. Dusty's question is
> >> about the CDK use case. To my mind the CDK should add value to a
> >> n openshift eval environment. This is a great opportunity for the CDK to
> >> provide tooling to address this ubiquitous problem. Mitch Harpur's ideas
> >> around this months ago were spot-on: walk devs through a journey,
> educate
> >> them, etc.
> >
> >
> > Either the CDK can add this additional "tool", to help walk an end-user
> > through a "proper" Dockerfile or pre-built container image.
> >
> > OR
> >
> > Openshift could offer this tool and I believe that is where it belongs.
> > Because Openshift Online Users are going to hit this 100 times an hour
> once
> > we open up the floodgates.  :-)
> >
> >
> >>
> >>
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