Dropping Gimp from the live cd

Bill Nottingham notting at redhat.com
Wed Aug 5 15:09:53 UTC 2009

Nicu Buculei (nicu_fedora at nicubunu.ro) said: 
>>>> 1. my email
>>>> 2. all the news in the world
>>>> 3. a system for developing on
>>>> 4. the necessary tools for adding new things to my system
>>>> 5. all the documentation I could ever want
>>>> that sounds pretty encompassing to me.
>>> So the audience of the Desktop Live CD, the one featured prominently on
>>> the download page (the first item there) and described as "It's
>>> everything you need to try out Fedora" is programmers/system
>>> administrators?
>> Yes, that's why the LiveCD has Eclipse, gcc, and lots of -devel
>> packages for programmers, and has wireshark, puppet, cobbler, and
>> nmap for system administrators. Wait, what?
>> I do not see at *all* how you make the leap from "LiveCD does not
>> include Gimp" to "LiveCD must be for programmers and administrators."
> The quote is wrongly attributed, Seth made the leap by providing the  
> list above with "system for developing on", "tools for adding things",  
> "documentation".

Um, no. Context included above. You somehow made the leap from 'tools
for adding new things' (i.e. PackageKit) and 'documentation' to 'system
administrators'. That's an impressive leap of logic. 

So, for the new user, what are the most likely things they need to
do on images? It's likely:

- resize
- crop
- rotate
- frob the color balance/brightness/contrast
- (maybe) redeye removal

We still include tools for that. You could argue (fairly sucessfully,
I think), that gimp is actually an advanced tool for graphics
professionals, not a first line tool for new users.


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