Double dare ya, Fedora! And your art sucks!

[Matt Chapman]

Two things that have always bugged me.  One we are getting to a good point
in ³using - viewing² content like Flash, movies, and audio created by others
on mostly other operating systems but Linux still has a ways to go in
³creating² that rich web content.  My example is easy Flash, Shockwave, and
Quicktime movies. And two:  If I want to take a machine that is running
Fedora and ³upgrade² it to Red Hat Enterprise I can¹t with a simply CD/DVD
insert and go method.

My 2 cents.

Matthew Chapman


On 3/28/06 8:19 AM, "Chris Adams" <cmadams at hiwaay.net> wrote:

> Once upon a time, Casimiro de Almeida Barreto <casimiro.barreto at gmail.com>
> said:
>> >   1. RedHat/Fedora people are absolutelly unable to deal with major
>> >      manufacturers (Adobe for Instance) and have good versions of
>> >      Flash/Shockwave and (Apple) Quicktime. Curious thing is that  my
>> >      Apple Mini (a real wonder) runs OS X Tiger (that is a *NIX system)
>> >      and has no problems with flash, shockwave or PDF files... as well
>> >      as don't have problems with device drivers.
> 
> First of all, there are multiple PDF readers (and creators) included in
> Fedora Core.
> 
> Guess what: the commercial Red Hat Enterprise Linux includes Adobe
> Acrobat Reader, RealPlayer, Flash, and Java (from IBM and BEA).  Red Hat
> is perfectly able to "deal" with those companies for commercial
> redistribution licenses.
> 
> However, a primary goal of the Fedora Core distrobution is to create a
> free, Open Source OS that is also freely redistributable.  None of the
> above software falls into that category.  Part of the reason the Red Hat
> Linux distro was changed to Fedora was that even Red Hat Linux wasn't
> fully freely redistributable (due to Red Hat's trademarks).
> 
> Anyone can download Fedora Core DVD images, burn (or master) them, and
> sell them (for a profit if they like).  If you put an MP3 decoder in
> there, that will no longer be the case (at least in the US).
> 
>> > The java that comes along with GCC runs only about 10-20% of Java
>> > Applications in market. Want examples: try to access any Brazilian bank
>> > using "Fedora standard Java". You'll get stuck... But why would people
>> > try to access his bank acount from his own computer? A little walk is
>> > healthy... So each loving soul under the Sun have to download Sun JRE
>> > (at least) or the complete JDK.
> 
> I don't think you are going to access any Java web site with Fedora (out
> of the box) at the moment as the gcj plugin is not yet included.  For
> other Java apps, Bugzilla reports are welcome.
> 
> Fedora cannot include Sun's JDK due to Sun's license terms.  If you want
> that changed, I suggest you complain to Sun, not Fedora.
> 
>> > Flash for Linux literally sucks... it is
>> > slow, and again there is no support for shockwave.
> 
> Fedora cannot include Flash due to Macromedia's license terms.  If you
> want that changed, I suggest you complain to Macromedia.  Macromedia
> hasn't even written Shockwave support for Linux, so you'll need to
> complain to Macromedia about that (Fedora definately cannot include
> software that has not been written).
> 
>> > In software market everything is gray zone. You issue MySql and AFAIK it
>> > is not really "open source", but them you stripe it (so RHEL can have
>> > the full flavour and the others don't).
> 
> Wrong.  MySQL is released under the GPL (that's about as Open Source as
> you can get).
> 
>> > Result: I upgraded a server in 20 minutes and everything stoped
>> > to work... that meant 20+ hours of straight work of coding and recoding
>> > (man, I had to code calendar months and other stupid things) to have the
>> > basics running back.
> 
> What kind of idiot upgrades a production server without any testing in
> advance?
> 
> --
> Chris Adams <cmadams at hiwaay.net>
> Systems and Network Administrator - HiWAAY Internet Services
> I don't speak for anybody but myself - that's enough trouble.
> 
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