Packaging quality, assistance.

[Ralf Corsepius]

On Wed, 2007-05-09 at 11:28 -0500, Josh Boyer wrote:
> On Wed, 2007-05-09 at 18:11 +0200, Ralf Corsepius wrote:
> > On Wed, 2007-05-09 at 09:48 -0500, Josh Boyer wrote:
> > > On Wed, 2007-05-09 at 16:50 +0200, Nicolas Mailhot wrote:
> > > > Le Mer 9 mai 2007 14:12, David Woodhouse a écrit :
> > 
> > > > The latest clash is people trying to ignore Core rules and apply Extra
> > > > practices to a Core component. Obviously there needs to be some sort
> > > > of convergence to avoid new incidents
> > > 
> > > Yes.  Merging is a two way street, so some adaptations will be required
> > > on both sides.
> > Don't you think we already have done?
> > 
> > Whether you like it or not, from a community point of view, actually
> > nothing substantial has changed so far, except that we have been facing
> > the side-effects of "construction-work near RH" on the Fedora
> > infrastructure.
> > 
> > Wrt. "collaboration with RH" and "unifying Core and Extra"s on packaging
> > work actually nothing much has happened. Packages which have been under
> > RH control still are under RH control and what had been under "community
> > maintenance" still also is. 
> 
> Not true.  KDE is now co-maintained with a community developer,
C'mon, Rex has relabeled his former kde-redhat work under the Fedora
brand.

>  and that
> developer has actually committed changes to CVS now.  That's just one
> concrete example.
Great, _one_ developer (and FBP, FESCO and FPC member) has CVS access.

> We're also getting requests from packagers to allow builds for Core
> packages that bring in Extras deps.

> Things are not going to change magically overnight.  Have patience.
Don't you think we already are?

I have not complained about nobody having done anything on this (IMO:
unusable flagged review stuff causing the bugzilla list to be flooded,
I did not complain about the web-pages going on and off almost daily.
I did not complain about plague suddenly going offline for devel and
being replaced with something largely undocumented called koji.
I did not complain about all @RH's missing at the FPC meeting yesterday
because (as it had leaked through other channels) them having been at
the "RedHat summit". 
I did not complain about the merger "Freezing former Extras" (A
regression in comparison to the pre-merger situation), ...

Now accuse me to be impatient again ;)

>   But
> your claims that it's "Red Hat vs. the community" are simply not true.
Ask yourselves: Who decides on Core packages? @RH

Example: The perl-packaging split, inclusion of non-free firmware
packages, @RH's reactions on reviews, etc.

Ralf