KDE logout options with F8

Rahul Sundaram sundaram at fedoraproject.org
Wed Oct 31 02:43:57 UTC 2007

Matthias Clasen wrote:
> On Wed, 2007-10-31 at 07:57 +0530, Rahul Sundaram wrote:
>> Matthias Clasen wrote:
>>> On Wed, 2007-10-31 at 07:44 +0530, Rahul Sundaram wrote:
>>>> Besides my point was that if users select GNOME they should get GDM and 
>>>> if users select KDE, they should get KDM. Is anyone willing to respond 
>>>> to that?
>>> Sure, here you go: a display manager is a security sensitive piece of
>>> code. Shipping multiple just because their names start with a letter you
>>> don't like is not a smart move, because you end up doing twice the
>>> security errata. 
>> We are already shipping multiple display managers in our repository and 
>> KDM is already the default if you use KDE spin of Fedora. Only in the 
>> Fedora DVD, is GDM the default. The security argument only applies if we 
>> aren't shipping the package in the repository at all. As it stands, we 
>> have to provide a security errata if there are security issues in KDM 
>> anyway. So what matters here is only what is the default.
> Well, it still applies, as an argument for not shipping it in the
> repository at all...

Please be realistic. I doubt if you would agree to KDM be the default 
display manager for both desktop environments and dropping GDM instead. 
What you are suggesting is never going to happen. KDM is going to be in 
the repository and we are going to be doing security erratas anyway. 
Hence the security argument is completely irrelevant for what should be 
the default.

> Yeah, and if you read earlier in this thread, somebody said that the
> functionality used to work with gdm and kde in earlier releases, so we
> are looking at a bug in either gdm or kde or both. Why not just fix that
> bug ? 

I didn't see anyone claim that the buttons used to work with GDM by 
default. Can anyone recall if that claim if it happened was true? 
Besides there are more differences in between KDM and GDM than merely this.

> How exactly did we get from "there is a bug in the interaction between
> gdm and kde" to "omg kde uses a program that starts with g, that can't
> be correct" ?

Like I said, the letter or name is not a problem. You are bringing up a 
false argument repeatedly. There is a actual regression in functionality 
and there is inconsistent behavior between the Fedora DVD image and the 
KDE spin too.


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