FDSco Meeting 2008-06-11 IRC log

Wed Jun 11 20:36:09 UTC 2008

20:13:25 <jsmith> <meeting id="fdsco-11Jun2008">
20:13:33 <jsmith> <rolecall>
20:13:38 <jsmith> JaredSmith here
20:14:10 <couf>   BartCouvreur at the table
20:14:31 *  jsmith has changed the topic to: FDSCo Meeting -- Get your docs on!
20:15:24 <quaid>  KarstenWade arriveth
20:15:26 <jsmith> PaulWFrields is here in spirit
20:15:31 <quaid>  jit, too
20:15:37 <jsmith> quaid: :-)
20:15:50 <jsmith> OK... If nobody else is here, let's start w/ the agenda
20:15:55 <quaid>  rock on
20:15:56 <jsmith> (and no, there is no agenda)
20:16:03 <quaid>  :D
20:16:07 <jsmith> Let's go off of last week's agenda, then
20:16:09 <quaid>  ok, where did we leave last week?
20:16:11 <couf>   okay, </meeting> ? :)
20:16:21 *  jsmith has changed the topic to: FDSCo Meeting -- Leadership Changes
20:16:22 <quaid>  har!
20:16:32 <quaid>  couf: hey, don't mess with my search terms!
20:16:33 <quaid>  ;-D
20:16:46 <jsmith> Any more comments with regards to leadership changes?
20:16:48 <quaid>  so I got an email on the governance out, no cries in protest
20:16:58 <quaid>  (total silence, actually)
20:17:04 <jsmith> Shall we elect stickster our puppet dictator for life while he's not looking?
20:17:11 <couf>   actually, does this needs to go to the Board, quaid board-member?
20:17:18 <couf>   jsmith: +1
20:17:27 <quaid>  couf: nope, and I'll tell ya why
20:17:39 <stickster> quaid: +1, "nope."
20:17:40 <quaid>  the Board doesn't (or will remove?) specifics about governance like that
20:17:57 <couf>   all righty :)
20:17:57 <jsmith> Fair enough...
20:17:59 <quaid>  a subProj needs to have it's own governance control
20:18:10 <jsmith> ... with lack of complain to quaid's email, I say we make it so
20:18:12 <quaid>  so we can hold elections and appoint to fill gaps, just self-appoint, whatever
20:18:19 <quaid>  expand/contract to meet the needs as we go
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20:18:33 <quaid>  ratify new lack of leaders?  awesome
20:18:36 *  quaid kids
20:18:44 <couf>   heh, cool :)
20:18:46 <jsmith> quaid: Exactly!  All in favor, raise your left toe!
20:19:21 *  quaid raises his left toe
20:19:28 <jsmith> quaid: Leaders are people with experience.  Experience is what you get *after* you need it.  Hence, we need to throw problems at people to turn them into leaders.
20:19:29 <quaid>  everyone at this cafe is looking at me strangely now
20:19:39 <jsmith> quaid: I'll bet :-)
20:19:58 <quaid>  jsmith: hammer, meet nail
20:20:13 <jsmith> OK, anything else to discuss before moving on to the next topic at hand?
20:20:47 *  jsmith has changed the topic to: FDSCo Meeting -- Release Notes
20:20:55 <jsmith> OK, where do we stand on the release notes?
20:21:05 <jsmith> I was out last week (teaching), so I'm not sure where we stand
20:21:07 <quaid>  you know
20:21:09 <quaid>  that was done last week
20:21:18 <quaid>  I think the last items on the agenda were not all the way touched
20:21:23 <jsmith> Gotcha :-)
20:21:37 *  quaid looks at summary
20:21:41 <stickster> And I made no progress since then on this item, truth be told :-(
20:21:44 <jsmith> I'm doing this blind ;-)
20:21:55 <quaid>  http://www.redhat.com/archives/fedora-docs-list/2008-June/msg00016.html
20:21:56 *  couf neither
20:22:10 <quaid>  we got as far as Sec Guide staying in the wiki until further notice
20:22:14 <quaid>  and doing it as a wiki-based doc for now
20:22:26 <jsmith> Right...
20:23:00 <jsmith> OK... do we need to cover Wiki Gardening again, or move on to "Active content"?
20:23:02 *  quaid has changed the topic to: FDSCo is talking about ... Active content (publish, edit, write)
20:23:12 <quaid>  sorry :)
20:23:23 <jsmith> I will try to make some time over the next week or so to work on the GIG
20:23:27 <jsmith> (getting involved guide)
20:23:31 *  herlo is actually here
20:23:33 <quaid>  please help make [[Help:Wiki Structure]] make sense, is all
20:23:38 <quaid>  yes, it's GIG time
20:23:42 <jsmith> I need to do some more writing to keep my sanity
20:23:48 <quaid>  how about breaking it into beats? (of sort)
20:23:49 <jsmith> herlo: Feel free to join in
20:23:55 <jsmith> quaid: Sure... not a bad idea
20:23:58 <herlo>  jsmith: want some help on that this weekend??
20:24:12 <quaid>  like, I wanted to work on the pure develper part (getting hosted space, etc.)
20:24:15 *  herlo has some time on Saturday not taken up yet :)
20:24:17 <quaid>  and now want to add an ISV component
20:24:38 <quaid>  ok, I'm going to edit the Summary to assign folks to spots
20:24:52 <quaid>  we can move this later
20:24:59 <jsmith> quaid: I'd be happy to take some of the other parts... let me find a spot or two, and I'll get back to you offline
20:25:07 <jsmith> herlo: Can't over the weekend... -ENOTIME
20:25:13 *  spot looks up
20:25:32 <herlo>  lol
20:26:00 <quaid>  that must happen as often as people expanding q:(uestion) in to quaid
20:26:02 <herlo>  well, I guess I'll do what I can and give you feedback
20:26:38 <jsmith> OK... how 'bout the User Guide... anybody actively writing content for it?
20:26:43 <jsmith> Now's the time to step up!
20:27:16 <herlo>  well, I've decided to contribute with screencasts
20:27:19 <quaid>  iirc it's very close to ready for F9
20:27:22 <couf>   the idea was to really push the GIG first, iirc
20:27:26 <quaid>  and prioritized behind the IG
20:27:30 <quaid>  GIG, yeah
20:27:45 <jsmith> OK...
20:27:47 *  AndreasR (n=medic at port-92-194-2-221.dynamic.qsc.de) has joined #fedora-meeting
20:28:09 <herlo>  how much stuff is left on the User Guide?  I've been *so* out of hte loop lately...
20:28:23 <jsmith> herlo: We all have :-)
20:28:28 <quaid>  there is a page ...
20:28:43 <quaid>  or the front page of the draft has status?
20:29:19 <jsmith> Yeah, it has edit status, which gives a fairly good idea of what's done and what's not
20:29:32 *  herlo is on that page now  https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/User_Guide
20:30:08 <herlo>  I'm updating my sections to DONE
20:30:12 *  jsmith has changed the topic to: FDSCo is talking about ... Cleaning up project lists
20:30:16 <herlo>  looks like the move didn't get those changes
20:30:34 <jsmith> OK... so I'm not sure what this means...
20:30:51 <jsmith> quaid: Care to enlighten us on what you mean by "Cleaning up project lists"?
20:30:55 <jsmith> Mailing lists?
20:30:58 <jsmith> Lists of documents?
20:30:59 <quaid>  sparks ?
20:31:04 <quaid>  I think that was his item
20:31:06 *  harrison1 is now known as harrisony
20:31:10 <jsmith> Hmmmmn...
20:31:18 <jsmith> All in favor of cleaning them up?!?
20:31:34 <quaid>  um
20:31:35 <herlo>  ooh, wait.. This is for F9, and it doesn't have Pup and Pirut, but PackageKit.  I see...
20:31:57 <jsmith> I vote we DEFER the discussion of project lists cleanup until next week
20:32:35 <quaid>  ding on sparks, he didn't explain his agenda additions in the changelog :(
20:32:46 *  jsmith has changed the topic to: FDSCo is talking about ... All other business
20:33:14 <quaid>  or wait ... who put that on the agenda?
20:33:19 <jsmith> So, I wont be at FUDCon, so somebody's gotta do a talk on the Docs Project (and maybe introduce people to Wiki and/or DocBook)
20:33:32 <couf>   quaid: wasn't me
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20:33:53 <jsmith> quaid: Wasn't me
20:34:16 <couf>   yeah I won't be at FUDCon too, but might be able to do one for the FUDCon in Praghue
20:34:26 <quaid>  ah
20:34:34 <quaid>  this is an item that predates the migration
20:34:38 <quaid>  ok, fudcon talk
20:34:49 <quaid>  doesn't paul have that on the barcamp list?
20:34:53 <jsmith> I hope so!
20:35:15 <quaid>  there ya go
20:35:47 <jsmith> Yeah, he does
20:35:59 <jsmith> Looks like he copied it from our previous presentation
20:36:04 <quaid>  ok, if he needs help, I'll do it, as long as I'm not conflicted with another commitment
20:36:09 <jsmith> Cool...
20:36:18 *  jsmith wishes he had an extra week this month to be able to sneak up to Boston
20:37:03 <jsmith> Any other topics that need to be discussed?
20:37:10 <quaid>  hmm
20:37:23 <quaid>  been some chat on f-devel-l about the wiki
20:37:29 <quaid>  appreciate that we were alerted and such
20:37:32 <jsmith> I have one, but I'm afraid it'll make the meeting drag on too long, and I'd really like stickster to be here for it, so I'll defer
20:37:38 <quaid>  ok
20:37:40 <jsmith> Oh?
20:37:53 <quaid>  just people trying to figure out the stuff we should have told them already :)
20:38:05 <quaid>  so we need to work on more communication and help pages
20:38:11 <jsmith> Gotcha
20:38:16 <stickster> quaid: roger the fudcon session.
20:38:28 <quaid>  main thing is getting Help:Wiki Structure so it tells people how to make new pages and spaces
20:39:09 <stickster> quaid: Can you help keep an eye on that during the BarCamp scheduling time in the morning?  Making sure that, if possible, it doesn't conflict with your other desired sessions?
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20:39:15 <quaid>  stickster: did you add the "Clean up Projects list?" agenda item?
20:39:21 <quaid>  stickster: ok
20:39:34 <stickster> quaid: Hm. I don't recall.
20:40:04 <quaid>  yeah, looks like maybe you did
20:40:22 <quaid>  http://fedoraproject.org/wikiold/DocsProject/SteeringCommittee/Meetings?action=recall&rev=125
20:40:34 <quaid>  ok, then we'll consider it done until you remember and add it back in
20:40:50 <jsmith> OK... last chance to shout out!
20:40:58 <couf>   yo
20:41:06 <couf>   small thing, just fyi
20:41:15 *  jsmith passes the microphone to couf
20:41:41 <couf>   I'm working on trying to make publishing docs to docs.fp.o similar to how the main static site is built
20:42:03 <couf>   and as such, to have the new layout and such
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20:42:31 <quaid>  going to move the code to the git-web?
20:42:35 <quaid>  or a new project for just docs?
20:42:46 <couf>   not sure there
20:42:46 *  quaid thinks he votes for the latter, so Docs can add people independent of Web
20:42:54 <couf>   don't want to overload fedora-web
20:43:00 <couf>   and that too
20:43:20 *  mmcgrath agrees with quaid on that, and new repos are generally cheap.
20:43:20 *  Sparks (n=Sparks at fedora/Sparks) has joined #fedora-meeting
20:43:27 <quaid>  we also need to start a tools project, so we can start to integrate our toolchain with publican somewhere new without CVS baggage :)
20:43:44 *  Sparks is here
20:43:47 <quaid>  couf: +1 thanks for working on that, long been bothering me but keep not getting ahead to it
20:44:05 <quaid>  Sparks: sorry, I sullied your good name earlier :D
20:44:13 <Sparks> quaid: What did I do now?
20:44:16 <jsmith> Yeah... +1 to couf for working on that
20:44:21 *  jsmith waves to Sparks
20:44:38 <quaid>  Sparks: nothing, it turns out :)
20:44:52 <Sparks> quaid: I usually do nothing...
20:45:05 <quaid>  Sparks: I thought you'd added an agenda item without explaining it in the agenda or in the commit comment log
20:45:13 <quaid>  *bdum psh*
20:45:30 <couf>   :)
20:45:35 <jsmith> OK... I think we're about ready to wrap up the meeting
20:45:35 <Sparks> quaid: And I didn't?  Wow, that's amazing all by itself.  I'll try harder next time.
20:45:53 <quaid>  word
20:45:55 <jsmith> Speak now or forever (or until next week) hold your peace
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20:46:17 <couf>   quaid: wtf is ISV?
20:46:23 *  jsmith pauses the countdown
20:46:31 <jsmith> Independent Systems Vendor?
20:46:37 <quaid>  s/systems/software/
20:46:49 <quaid>  IHV = Intel, ISV = Red Hat, Alfresco, etc.
20:46:56 <couf>   ah kay, check
20:46:58 <quaid>  otoh, Intel does ISV work, too :)
20:47:06 <quaid>  jsmith: go ahead and finish lad
20:47:07 <jsmith> quaid: Confusing world we live in, isn't it
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