Meeting IRC log 23 August 2005

Thu Aug 25 22:15:59 UTC 2005

For those who missed it, here is a highlight of the state of the Fedora
Foundation that I discussed.  I have a follow-up that is inline below.

On Tue, 2005-08-23 at 14:55 -0700, Karsten Wade wrote:
> <quaid> I'm presuming you all read the updates that came out at
> LinuxWorld
> <quaid> we are still waiting for by-laws from outside counsel, and are
> recruiting for the board of directors.
> <quaid> so, the rest of this is my opinion on the state of things:
> <quaid> RH has done a good job of making a good foundation, and it had
> to be done internally because of the same stuff that always makes us do
> stuff behind doors, however ...
> <quaid> the community voices were strong from within by those of us
> representing the community, who are @redhat.com
> <quaid> for example, when you see Mark Webbink quoted that "the
> developers and documentation have helped to shape the foundation" or
> whatever he said like that, that was me speaking for all of us, and
> hopefully doing it well enough.
> <elliss> I noticed the reference to documenters :)
> <quaid> once the foundation is in the wild, it's up to the board to
> decide where to proceed, so we will continue to have a way to influence
> the direction, and more chance to, and all in the open.
> <quaid> I think the by-laws have done a good job of making foundation
> membership accessible and useful.
> <quaid> last point, the foundation builds on what the project has been
> doing, so for example, what we are doing in FDSCo is now simply codified
> and formalized, so work in the project is going to continue pretty much
> as before.
> <stickster> Is the foundation going to continue to allow fluidity in
> building process as we have been doing with FDSCo?

The proper answer is, yes.  The Board will appoint the Project
Management Committees (PCM == FDSCo), and have control over firing the
committee or members for whatever appropriate reason.  Otherwise, the
Board will stay out of the way and let the pros do what they do.  In
other words, once we are blessed, and we surely will be, we will
continue exactly as before, but this time with a stronger structure to
report into.

<fin_comments />
> <stickster> You may have answered that, I'm just trying to get a sense
> of what interaction this entails
> * quaid contemplates a second
> <quaid> in most ways, I think so, yes ... in this case, you mean
> s/foundation/board/ ... they own all governance, but have a charter
> (like ours) that allows them to delegate by forming steering committees
> (like us) and empower those committees.
> <quaid> so, it's up to the board what they do at that point, but I
> figure a) they won't break what is working already, and b) they will
> likely want to leave as much up to us, in terms of details
> <quaid> personally, I expect to see an _active_ board, although maybe
> not active at our level regularly, certainly available and accessible.
> <stickster> *nod
> <mether> steering committee members are board members at some level?
> <stickster> OK, that does help, thanks
> <stickster> mether: I don't see how
> <quaid> mether: I don't think it's quite like that
> <stickster> You either are, or you aren't
> <mether> you never know. its legal stuff.
> <quaid> it's more that steering committees are made up of members who
> serve at the board's will
> <quaid> and can do tasks the board assigns them to do.
> <stickster> mether: Sorry, I spend a lot of time worrying about this
> stuff for homeowners' association board
> <quaid> mether: IANAL, but I reckon the board is the sole legal
> responsibility
> <mether> quaid, ok. does that mean that they have their own legal team?
> <stickster> That's what I would expect
> <stickster> I would expect the FF would engage one or more counsel
> <quaid> yes, I would expect that
> <mether> ok
> <stickster> all right... thanks for the update, it's going to be
> interesting
> <quaid> yes
> <quaid> if there is no other business ...
> <elliss> One
> <stickster> nope
> <quaid> aye?
> <elliss> Sending announcements via f-anonunce-list
> <elliss> I sent an announcement and got the "passed to mods message"
> <quaid> and it never came through?
> <elliss> But it didn't seem to hit the list
> <elliss> No, I sent it last Tuesday
> <quaid> I forget, what was it about?
> <elliss> yum doc
> <quaid> oh, yeah!
> <quaid> huh, must be a mistake
> <elliss> I notice that stickster has posted a downloadable copy of the
> IG to the site
> <stickster> sweet, huh?
> <elliss> Very
> <stickster> Fixed a bug, yo
> <mether> elliss, dont worry about that. i am posting it everywhere
> anyway
> >notting< did you see a f-announce-l moderated message from last week
> about the Fedora yum guide
> <elliss> Cool.  There's a thread on FedoraForums....
> >notting< also, do you want some help from f-marketing to moderate that
> list?  we could ask for volunteers, or do you prefer @redhat.com?
> <quaid> elliss: I'm asking the moderator about it
> <quaid> it still deserves an announcement, it's news
> <elliss> OK. notting is listed as the mod
> <mether> elliss, i posted it atleast half a dozen time in the forums and
> lists
> <mether> speaking of which does anyone know how many hits the different
> docs gets
> <mether> unique links 
> <elliss> mether: Forum thread:
> http://forums.fedoraforum.org/showthread.php?t=60292
> <quaid> mether: no clue
> <stickster> mether: I asked one of the web folks about this; I'm not
> sure they log that much due to volume of activity
> <stickster> Sorry, unclear: They don't keep track of it because doing so
> would involve additional load... at least that's how I understood it
> <elliss> Yes.
> <stickster> I think it was Elliot I reached out to, but not sure IIRC
> <mether> that would be valuable information
> <mether> i am sure authors would love to see stats on that
> <stickster> It would be if we planned on axeing docs... not enough of
> them to prune just yet :-)
> <quaid> elliss: notting may have bitbucketed it on accident, can you
> resubmit the message?  he'll surely let it through this time/
> <mether> elliss, that forum thread isnt interesting to me
> <elliss> Sure.
> <elliss> mether: I'll post on it.
> <elliss> To close the request that was raised there
> <elliss> I just thought I'd check whether you were going to
> <mether> elliss, sorry. do what?
> <stickster> Is that all then?
> <elliss> Yep
> * stickster pokes quaid and motions to gavel
> <elliss> mether: When you said "everywhere", wasn't sure if you included
> this sticky on the forum
> <quaid> ah, jeez
> <quaid> </meeting>
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