Meeting IRC log 23 August 2005

Fri Aug 26 14:25:09 UTC 2005

Yes, F-Disco will be blessed as a formal project.  Bet on it.

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On Thu, 25 Aug 2005, Karsten Wade wrote:

> For those who missed it, here is a highlight of the state of the Fedora
> Foundation that I discussed.  I have a follow-up that is inline below.
> 
> On Tue, 2005-08-23 at 14:55 -0700, Karsten Wade wrote:
> > <quaid> I'm presuming you all read the updates that came out at
> > LinuxWorld
> > <quaid> we are still waiting for by-laws from outside counsel, and are
> > recruiting for the board of directors.
> > <quaid> so, the rest of this is my opinion on the state of things:
> > <quaid> RH has done a good job of making a good foundation, and it had
> > to be done internally because of the same stuff that always makes us do
> > stuff behind doors, however ...
> > <quaid> the community voices were strong from within by those of us
> > representing the community, who are @redhat.com
> > <quaid> for example, when you see Mark Webbink quoted that "the
> > developers and documentation have helped to shape the foundation" or
> > whatever he said like that, that was me speaking for all of us, and
> > hopefully doing it well enough.
> > <elliss> I noticed the reference to documenters :)
> > <quaid> once the foundation is in the wild, it's up to the board to
> > decide where to proceed, so we will continue to have a way to influence
> > the direction, and more chance to, and all in the open.
> > <quaid> I think the by-laws have done a good job of making foundation
> > membership accessible and useful.
> > <quaid> last point, the foundation builds on what the project has been
> > doing, so for example, what we are doing in FDSCo is now simply codified
> > and formalized, so work in the project is going to continue pretty much
> > as before.
> > <stickster> Is the foundation going to continue to allow fluidity in
> > building process as we have been doing with FDSCo?
> 
> The proper answer is, yes.  The Board will appoint the Project
> Management Committees (PCM == FDSCo), and have control over firing the
> committee or members for whatever appropriate reason.  Otherwise, the
> Board will stay out of the way and let the pros do what they do.  In
> other words, once we are blessed, and we surely will be, we will
> continue exactly as before, but this time with a stronger structure to
> report into.
> 
> <fin_comments />
> > <stickster> You may have answered that, I'm just trying to get a sense
> > of what interaction this entails
> > * quaid contemplates a second
> > <quaid> in most ways, I think so, yes ... in this case, you mean
> > s/foundation/board/ ... they own all governance, but have a charter
> > (like ours) that allows them to delegate by forming steering committees
> > (like us) and empower those committees.
> > <quaid> so, it's up to the board what they do at that point, but I
> > figure a) they won't break what is working already, and b) they will
> > likely want to leave as much up to us, in terms of details
> > <quaid> personally, I expect to see an _active_ board, although maybe
> > not active at our level regularly, certainly available and accessible.
> > <stickster> *nod
> > <mether> steering committee members are board members at some level?
> > <stickster> OK, that does help, thanks
> > <stickster> mether: I don't see how
> > <quaid> mether: I don't think it's quite like that
> > <stickster> You either are, or you aren't
> > <mether> you never know. its legal stuff.
> > <quaid> it's more that steering committees are made up of members who
> > serve at the board's will
> > <quaid> and can do tasks the board assigns them to do.
> > <stickster> mether: Sorry, I spend a lot of time worrying about this
> > stuff for homeowners' association board
> > <quaid> mether: IANAL, but I reckon the board is the sole legal
> > responsibility
> > <mether> quaid, ok. does that mean that they have their own legal team?
> > <stickster> That's what I would expect
> > <stickster> I would expect the FF would engage one or more counsel
> > <quaid> yes, I would expect that
> > <mether> ok
> > <stickster> all right... thanks for the update, it's going to be
> > interesting
> > <quaid> yes
> > <quaid> if there is no other business ...
> > <elliss> One
> > <stickster> nope
> > <quaid> aye?
> > <elliss> Sending announcements via f-anonunce-list
> > <elliss> I sent an announcement and got the "passed to mods message"
> > <quaid> and it never came through?
> > <elliss> But it didn't seem to hit the list
> > <elliss> No, I sent it last Tuesday
> > <quaid> I forget, what was it about?
> > <elliss> yum doc
> > <quaid> oh, yeah!
> > <quaid> huh, must be a mistake
> > <elliss> I notice that stickster has posted a downloadable copy of the
> > IG to the site
> > <stickster> sweet, huh?
> > <elliss> Very
> > <stickster> Fixed a bug, yo
> > <mether> elliss, dont worry about that. i am posting it everywhere
> > anyway
> > >notting< did you see a f-announce-l moderated message from last week
> > about the Fedora yum guide
> > <elliss> Cool.  There's a thread on FedoraForums....
> > >notting< also, do you want some help from f-marketing to moderate that
> > list?  we could ask for volunteers, or do you prefer @redhat.com?
> > <quaid> elliss: I'm asking the moderator about it
> > <quaid> it still deserves an announcement, it's news
> > <elliss> OK. notting is listed as the mod
> > <mether> elliss, i posted it atleast half a dozen time in the forums and
> > lists
> > <mether> speaking of which does anyone know how many hits the different
> > docs gets
> > <mether> unique links 
> > <elliss> mether: Forum thread:
> > http://forums.fedoraforum.org/showthread.php?t=60292
> > <quaid> mether: no clue
> > <stickster> mether: I asked one of the web folks about this; I'm not
> > sure they log that much due to volume of activity
> > <stickster> Sorry, unclear: They don't keep track of it because doing so
> > would involve additional load... at least that's how I understood it
> > <elliss> Yes.
> > <stickster> I think it was Elliot I reached out to, but not sure IIRC
> > <mether> that would be valuable information
> > <mether> i am sure authors would love to see stats on that
> > <stickster> It would be if we planned on axeing docs... not enough of
> > them to prune just yet :-)
> > <quaid> elliss: notting may have bitbucketed it on accident, can you
> > resubmit the message?  he'll surely let it through this time/
> > <mether> elliss, that forum thread isnt interesting to me
> > <elliss> Sure.
> > <elliss> mether: I'll post on it.
> > <elliss> To close the request that was raised there
> > <elliss> I just thought I'd check whether you were going to
> > <mether> elliss, sorry. do what?
> > <stickster> Is that all then?
> > <elliss> Yep
> > * stickster pokes quaid and motions to gavel
> > <elliss> mether: When you said "everywhere", wasn't sure if you included
> > this sticky on the forum
> > <quaid> ah, jeez
> > <quaid> </meeting>
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