will we ever have radeon drivers that aren't crap?

[Bill Davidsen]

Julian Aloofi wrote:
> Am Donnerstag, den 23.07.2009, 20:13 -0400 schrieb John Mellor:
>> This is a Fedora-killer.  Nothing should be higher priority.
>>
>> Is there any way to get Radeon HD support as a mandatory blocking issue
>> into F12 ?  If the incredibly bad situation is not fixed by F12 with
>> compiz and 3D gaming and everything else working correctly, then
>> probably the only people who will be left running Fedora will be on
>> laptops with their very low-end graphics, and some NVidia proprietary
>> driver users.
>>
I can't see this as a blocking issue if the vesa drivers work... My hardware is 
not so sacred that everyone else should wait until the X group fixes the problem.

>> If it can't be fixed in that timeframe, is it possible to revert back to
>> the old DRI interfaces so that the proprietary ATI drivers will work
>> again?
>>
>> I can test, but not if it is going to hose my machine in a way that
>> cannot be easily recovered from.  Unfortunately, I don't have the time
>> available to code, as my real job takes priority.
> 
> As soon as the Fedora 12 Alpha is released we could start another test
> day for radeon cards. We could contact the original initiators and ask
> them if they'd like to join us. The most important thing is that we will
> need at least one person experienced with radeon driver hacking, do you
> know one? When the Alpha is released one of us should contact Dave
> Airlie and ask him whether he has the time to do the dirty work.
> I didn't know the radeon situation is that bad, I guess I'm just lucky
> having the right card (Radeon HD 2600).
> 
What would be the purpose of another test day? I think Einstein said that 
stupidity was doing the same thing over and over hoping for a different result. 
Having a test day is a waste of time until there are new drivers to test! There 
are so many bugs queued, and all are unverified in spite of simple directions to 
reproduce the problem. If no one is working on the problems because they are 
unverified, and no one is verifying them, nothing is moving.

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Bill Davidsen <davidsen at tmr.com>
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