[Fedora-livecd-list] Re: Fedora 7 Test 4 GNOME based i386 Live CD report

Rahul Sundaram sundaram at redhat.com
Sat Apr 28 02:31:16 UTC 2007

Matthias Clasen wrote:
> On Sat, 2007-04-28 at 06:35 +0530, Rahul Sundaram wrote:
>> * Beagle is installed by default and replaces gnome-search-tool on the 
>> UI like the previous release. Might be better to keep these entries 
>> separate.
> No. Offering several different search tools in the menu is a bad idea.
> Medium-term, we're hoping to see a unified frontend for the various
> indexers.

I understand the long term view but there are two short term rather 
prominent issues

1) Beagle sucks up CPU
2) With the default settings searching there gets no results.

I still think Beagle should either not by installed by default because 
of relative immaturity or atleast by separate from the gnome-search-tool 
in the UI so that I can keep using it without having to uninstall beagle 
to get the UI option back.

Tomboy is pretty useful though it is not visible in the user interface. 
I think we can place it in the panel by default along with Abiword in 
the GNOME based live images atleast.

The prime spin still has Firefox, Evolution and three openoffice.org 
applications which makes sense for RHEL but not for Fedora. I would 
prefer something more home user oriented for Fedora.

Forgot to mention that ntfs-3g is installed by default which is pretty 
good. I am not sure that's the case for the prime spin but since it uses 
the same comps.xml I hope that's the case. Someone please confirm this.

>> * New application, system-config-selinux is available under 
>> administration. Looks pretty comprehensive. SELinux boolean 
>> configuration has been removed from system-config-securitylevel and is 
>> now available in this tool. Title says "system-config-selinux.py" 
>> instead of just "system-config-selinux" which is a minor wart in the UI.
> The bigger wart is that the menu entry for system-config-securitylevel
> still says "Firewall and SELinux" even though SELinux was removed...

You can still toggle between enable/disable/permissive modes so I am not 
sure that's a wart. If we remove it completely which might be better 
since the menu entry needs to be fixed.

You have already reported this in 

system-config-selinux is not available as a bugzilla component so I am 
adding some comments to the above bug report.

Running a console helper enabled application that requires root access 
to do something makes the root password prompt a modal dialog box. This 
is not a change in behavior but it seems useful to make it a dialog box 
that can be attended to later.

>> * nautilus-open-terminal extension was not installed by default unlike 
>> previous live cd releases.
> This live cd is just following the comps defaults here. The FC6 live cd
> was following David Z.s personal preferences...

RHEL 5 has this extension installed by default if that matters. Mugshot 
stats show the gnome terminal as one of the top three popular 
applications being used and this extension is pretty small so it might 
be useful to make it available by default.

>> * SCIM input icon doesnt show up on the system tray unlike the previous 
>> test release. Default is showing on demand but setting it to show always 
>> does not make it show up on the system tray.
> You should get it by default if you are logging in in a CJK locale. For
> other locales, use the "input method" capplet to turn it on.

I am in the default English locale and I had to select custom input 
method and choose scim (which was the only option) instead of the system 
wide configuration (scim) setting which was enabled by default. If both 
of these were using the scim methods why would choosing one of them make 
a difference here? If scim is the only "custom" input method available 
should that option even be enabled? Relogging and left click on the 
hardly visible light grey icon does nothing. I couldn't figure out how 
to enable Tamil as a alternative input method while logging into the 
English locale. The SCIM setup UI does not seem to be following GNOME 
HIG. All of this user interface details seems to be a mess that could 
use  a cleanup.

Some of this was discussed in 

>> * nautilus has crashed more than once during login including the 
>> previous test releases with some vague bonobo error which I did not note 
>> down. Anyone else seeing this?
> File a bug ?


>> * Turning on desktop effects immediately makes it crash Xorg
> Dito.


This was reported long back in Fedora Core 6. I have added some 
comments.  Someone confirm whether this is VMWare specific. I am running 
the image using it.

>> * shutdown entry showed up twice as first and last entries in the system 
>> menu just once.
> I have seen this once before, but then it repaired itself. Please file 
> panel bug for this, too.

https://bugzilla.redhat.com/bugzilla/show_bug.cgi?id=238228. I was able 
to reproduce this now and a screenshot has been attached.

Thanks Matthias.


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