Need assistance

Thu Mar 13 19:33:35 UTC 2008

Michael Schwendt <mschwendt.tmp0701.nospam at arcor.de> wrote:

> On Wed, 12 Mar 2008 18:16:56 -0700 (PDT), Arne Chr. Jorgensen wrote:
> >
> >  For more then 1 year, I have not been able to download email. Imagine having to
> > browse the wikipages with lynx, or a desktop in which most buttons fall outside 
> > the screen. Imagine installing fedora under such circumstances.
>
>  What was your computer running before that? Very likely you could have
>  returned to the older installation (or live-CD/DVD) that works. 
>

It has been one disaster after another, but much of it had to do with my ISP provider
that used months to give me a stable connection. They have fixed it, but I haven't
fixed other machines that crashed. You know, you may run things for 5-10 years,
and you never prepare for disaster. The old hardware couldn't run much of Fedora.
In Fedora 8, there are still some options unavailable in text mode. Not new, as I think that has existed in several prior releases. ( should have taken notes )

> > I did manage to get something from rawhide with only "half" answers as
> > what to do, an attempt to recreate the missing parts.
>
>  You can also improve the communication on your part before complaining
>  about "half answers". Surely you could trim your messages, reply _below_
>  quotes instead of above a complete message, and be clear and precise.
>  Avoid vulgar language. To Threaten the readers of your messages that you
>  leave and install a different Linux distribution, if you don't get
>  dedicated support by email, won't increase the number of helpful responses
>  either.
>

I stand corrected. But tired, frustrated, I don't usually use vulgar language,
but I have struggled much with reading online, using awkward methods ..well..

Quote: To Threaten the readers....

Well, sorry - unthoughtful of me, not meant that way. 

>
> > When I ask about such things like, could someone please give me an example of
> > the command line for the python.bugzilla I did install, as all I get is:
> >
> > xmlrpclib.ProtocolError:
>
>
> > It is a program like many others. Additionally, it's brand-new and
> > probably suffers from bugs and not enough testing. 
> >
>

My worry, - was it dangerous ?  - could I harm the site ?

Well, I tried to copy your email address, send a quick question what you meant.
But, then I didn't get that right. 
I sent an email: ping Michael Schwendt

Tried many things, with network cable removed. Went over it again, had to
...etc.  One thing is to break something on my machine, - but against a site
is different. An ISP administrator told me to erase something, but I called him
3 times, as I knew something was wrong. Half the country got affected.
( and I have heard of other examples ) ..so, what did Michael mean ?

Why I also said: - I don't need write access,  ( think it was to Andrew Farris ),
meaning it could havoc something.

It's just my reaction to "half answers", as of the sort of work I have been into, 
as it has been a matter of life/death, in which the decition was left to me.
It can stress me up. ( at the end )

I intend to do no harm, not to offend anyone, ..

I wonder if I am at the wrong place, and just stir up myself and others.
Sometimes I should just shut up, not talk about ideas, as then I set myself
up in a situation to try prove it. It should be easier.

You cannot expect ordinary users to configure their machines themselves - on the other hand, don't take it away from them either. Empower people !  
Let them receive suggested configurations - for their particular machine.
Or - next time, let them receive info about the next upgrade, - why their effort
matters.  Even for old releases. When a kid can have his dad's old one, he will
love RH/Fedora too.  It must be simple to maintain, and operate. 

( note: I did remove something, - you would have understood. But then come to
think of this:

>
> > I asked if you had archeives, if there was a treaded list, 
> >  - but no, the answer I got was "don't think so, and besides the
> > things change so fast, why bother ?"  
>
> That was wrong advise, then. Instead of waiting for somebody else to
> tell you that there are full list archives in mbox format, you could have
> visited the address at the bottom of every message and learn about the
> list, its archives, and lots of other options yourself. 
>

Well, that is the first time I have heard about it, and how should I guess with
that title. Besides, I asked more then once.

You are very right to correct me Michael, thank you !  I really did a bummer,
expressing as I did - I have struggled so much with it, that I simply forgot
my discovery !!  So, I did remove some parts here. But all the more important
that we may contact each other, if something is unclear - without shouting and
all that stuff, if this list are public.

Thanks, 
//ARNE

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