2009-11-16 @ 16:00 UTC - Fedora QA Meeting Recap

James Laska jlaska at redhat.com
Tue Nov 17 01:25:46 UTC 2009

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= Attendees =

People present (lines said)

* jlaska (97)
* adamw (70)
* wwoods (41)
* kparal (22)
* lmacken (9)
* Viking-Ice (7)
* buggbot (3)
* zodbot (3)
* Oxf13 (1)

* [[User:Liam]]
* [[User:rhe]]

= Agenda =

[https://www.redhat.com/archives/fedora-test-list/2009-November/msg00720.html Proposed meeting agenda]
[http://meetbot.fedoraproject.org/fedora-meeting/2009-11-16/fedora-meeting.2009-11-16-16.01.html meetbot summary]

== Previous meeting follow-up ==

* FTBFS topic?

Team agreed milos jacubicek's ftbfs proposal is tabled until he comes
back with more info.

* Viking-Ice investigating creating a test case for bug#530452 ... and
adding to F12 install matrix

* preupgrade test updates

Per last weeks FESCO meeting on preupgrade, QA team took an action item
to update the preupgrade test cases ([[QA:Testcase Preupgrade]] and
[[QA:Testcase Preupgrade from older release]]).  Fedora QA trac
[https://fedorahosted.org/fedora-qa/ticket/30 ticket#30] is tracking
this update.  [[User:rhe]] and [[User:Kparal]] have adding their
thoughts to the issue.

== Fedora 12, almost there ... ==

Reviewing final QA tasks prior to release

=== F12Blocker ===

* unresolved bug remains ... what's the plan?

Only remaining non-tracker bug is {{bz|533621}} Can't Boot After F12 b2
DVD Upgrade on sytem with RAID1 /boot.  Adamw suggested this isshue
should be removed from the blocker list, as the team previously agreed
it wasn't a blocker (it's actually not about RAID /boot but about drive
order changing between install and upgrade).

=== Common_F12_Bugs ===

Jlaska asked the team to think about a method for dividing up remaining
'''22''' common F12 bugs.  Volunteers needed to help clear out the list
of [http://tinyurl.com/l4kma5l4kma5 CommonBug?] bugs needing notes. 

Course of action is either ... '''DUD''':
# '''Drop''' - Remove keyword CommonBugs
# '''Update''' - Already documented or addressed, add link to entry in
bugzilla ''whiteboard''
# '''Document''' - Document issue on [[Common_F12_bugs]] and add link to
entry in bugzilla ''whiteboard''

The current list:

{| class="wikitable sortable"
! Bug !! State !! Component !! Summary
| {{bz|533350}} || NEW  || anaconda || Can't shrink encrypted partition
| {{bz|536705}} || NEW  || anaconda || F-11/ppc -> F-12-RC4-ppc upgrade
does not offer bootloader upgrade choice
| {{bz|480290}} || NEW  || kernel || rndis downloads are awesome, but
upload does not work or very slow.
| {{bz|533545}} || NEW  || preupgrade || Fedora 11 preupgrade to
F12/rawhide destroys grub on raid (warning about grub on RAID not
| {{bz|489907}} || ASSIGNED  || xorg-x11-drv-intel || [KMS] Does not
recover from DPMS standby with KMS enabled
| {{bz|531111}} || ASSIGNED  || xorg-x11-drv-intel || REGRESSION :
vmlinuz- - intel 855GM xorg freezing
| {{bz|527209}} || ASSIGNED  || kernel || Large file transfers are
killing BCM5906M tg3 Ethernet card
| {{bz|514000}} || ASSIGNED  || alsa-lib || Aureon 5.1 MkII can't do 5.1
| {{bz|533392}} || ASSIGNED  || comps || dracut-network not included in
F-12-RC1 DVD install
| {{bz|533621}} || ASSIGNED  || anaconda || Can't Boot After F12 b2 DVD
Upgrade on sytem with RAID1 /boot
| {{bz|533533}} || MODIFIED  || anaconda || Unbootable system if /boot
sotware raid and GRUB installed in /boot instead of MBR
| {{bz|530541}} || ON_QA  || preupgrade || Free space check on /boot not
thorough enough
| {{bz|524808}} || CLOSED RAWHIDE || kernel || swiotlb should be enabled
when VT-d setup fails
| {{bz|524417}} || CLOSED RAWHIDE || anaconda || Anaconda: /sbin/loader
crash on kickstart installation
| {{bz|500808}} || CLOSED CURRENTRELEASE || anaconda || partitioning
backtrace: removal of logical part
| {{bz|509632}} || CLOSED RAWHIDE || anaconda || (/dev/pts not mounted
after boot) error creating child process
| {{bz|527506}} || CLOSED NOTABUG || anaconda || F-12 - ppc64.img does
not boot on IBM Power5 system
| {{bz|530393}} || CLOSED RAWHIDE || kernel || tpm_tis 00:0a:
tpm_transmit: tpm_send: error -62
| {{bz|484862}} || CLOSED DUPLICATE || GConf2-dbus || GConf2-dbus :
Conflicts with other packages
| {{bz|528537}} || CLOSED RAWHIDE || kernel || fails to get kickstart
file over nfs.
| {{bz|528222}} || CLOSED RAWHIDE || initscripts || LiveCD
intermittently gets stuck during shutdown
| {{bz|527552}} || CLOSED ERRATA || preupgrade || GError and TypeError:
Parsing primary.xml error: attributes construct error

There wasn't a lot of discussion in the meeting on volunteers or a
strategy to help reduce the size of the list.  Adamw noted he was
confident in his ability to walk down the CommonBugs? list later today.

=== QA Retrospective ===

Let's hold a retrospective (e.g. post-mortem, release review etc...)
next week.  Please collect 1 or 2 ideas for things that when well, and
the same for things that you'd like to see improved for Fedora 13.  We
will review and discuss during next weeks meeting.

jlaska will post email to the list after meeting to start discussion.
Please feel free to respond with your input.

Over the next week, data will likely come back from Fedora 12 users for
additional discussion items.

== AutoQA update ==

=== wwoods updates ===

A lot of time spent wrestling preupgrade last week.  However, the
tasks include finalizing the post-koji-build with several patches kparal
and merging private autoqa branch work.

Held a discussion with Fedora release engineering group last week around
strategy for ensuring no broken dependencies are released.  The solution
involve the post-koji-build, in addition to a post-bodhi-update hook.
discussed writing a test that checks added/dropped/changed dependencies
against known requirements in the public repo(s).

Lmacken and wwoods talked about how best to detect updated bodhi
Lmacken provided an update AMQP message/QMF events.  Wwoods discussed
JFDI-design philosophy that's behind a lot of AutoQA at the moment.

16:46:46 <jlaska> wwoods: are there aspects of the koji watcher that
kparal can assist with ... if it relates to rpmguard or package sanity?
16:46:58 <wwoods> time is running short so probably it'll be a
discussion about design rather than a demo of a prototype
16:47:54 <wwoods> kparal's suggestion about having autoqa have a way to
run tests locally is probably the best path forward
16:48:17 <wwoods> once that's written we can make sure rpmguard works as
expected *in parallel* with setting up the watcher on the autotest host
16:48:43 <kparal> perfect
Plan for this week:
# Stop working on preupgrade
# add --local flag to autoqa
# polish rpmguard w/ kparal
# get watcher working
# test-enable rpmguard ''in production''
# kparal suggested -- fix lots of issues we run into
# jlaska added -- success
# adamw asked -- profit?

kparal corrected the last sugguestion, with ...  ''nope, world

=== kparal updates ===

Kparal updated the group on his AutoQA activities, which included
patches sent to autoqa-devel at lists.fedorahosted.org.

Kparal also identified several road blocks to participation and included
several ideas for improving test development for newbies (see
https://fedorahosted.org/pipermail/autoqa-devel/2009-November/000018.html).  Out of that document jlaska has drafted an AutoQA Use Cases on the wiki: https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/AutoQA_Use_Cases.  Kparal asked for suggestions and contributions to the document.

Kparal noted that the autoqa-devel list is being used more and more I
would say, so if anyone is interested in autoqa development, please

Kparal finished, but indicated he'll have more progress once the large
autoqa-0.3 changes in wwoods private branch are merged into master.

=== lili and rhe updates ===

NOTE: Added after the meeting.

[[User:liam]], [[User:rhe]] and [[User:mgracik]] held their first
meeting on
Friday, November 13 where they discussed the ''DRAFT'' proposal for
installation verification to autoqa.  The proposal is starting to take
at [[Is_anaconda_broken_proposal]].

=== Misc ===

* Use cases - https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/AutoQA_Use_Cases
* Packaging autotest - https://fedorahosted.org/autoqa/ticket/9
* Packaging autoqa - https://fedorahosted.org/autoqa/ticket/3

== Open discussion - <Your topic here> ==

= Upcoming QA events =

* 2009-11-17 - Fedora 12 GA
* 2009-11-23 - Fedora 12 QA Retrospective discussion

= Action items =

* jlaska will propose Common_F12_Bugs after meeting for bug#530541
* jlaska to send request for retrospective feedback to fedora-test-list@

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