Simple website

[Craig Thomas]

On Mon, Apr 28, 2008 at 10:32 AM, Mike McGrath <mmcgrath at redhat.com> wrote:
>
> On Sun, 27 Apr 2008, Craig Thomas wrote:
>
>  > This group doesn't accomplish much.  How can we?  we don't have
>  > regular meetings and numerous of our tickets are for things the
>  > website group doesn't even have git access to: tickets 181
>  > (d.f.rh.com), 206 (docs.fp.o). Or tickets are just hanging around,
>  > waiting for translations (493), or are unclear (etags thing).
>  >
>
>  Not having access to get for these projects shouldn't have anything to do
>  with not doing the work though.  You can check these projects out and fix
>  them and submit them back to people that do have access (probably getting
>  access yourself in the process)

Very true.  However, when reviewing the git projects here:

http://git.fedoraproject.org/git/

I am tempted to pull :

http://git.fedorahosted.org/git/docs-web.git

which I suspected was not right,  and in fact does *not* contain
docs.fp.o . And I think that illustrates my point;  It's just an
extra, needless hurdle or two.  But yeah, not having commit access is
not really the issue. Having easy access to the source for the parts
we are 'responsible' for seems to me to make lots of sense though, and
would make getting the work done easier.

Really, where do we get/checkout (anonymously) docs.fp.o ?  or should
I just use wget ?

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>  need for an organized group.  But now its more mature.  Perhaps we do need
>  meetings and things.  Here's the thing, and this is a big step for people
>  to take for some reason.
>
>  I'd bet there's over 100 people on this list... there's nothing stopping
>  ANY of them from saying "I'd like to schedule a meeting on this day" and
>  then scheduling the meeting, and holding it.

Point taken. (Wow, over 100? we are a quiet crew :-}  )

>  http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Websites/PageRequests needs doing.  As far
>  as being "frustrated" and "wasting lots of your time" goes.... I don't
>  know what to tell you.  The last job I started I spend 4 days on
>  orientation (the job before Red Hat).  Fedora is somewhere between 1,000
>  and 2,500 active contributors with many independent teams.  Not all of
>  which are full time so it can be hard to get ahold of them.  Its a large,
>  complex organization that matures every day.  If you're going to get
>  involved with it, there's going to be a learning curve unfortunately.
>  That's just part of being as large as we are.

I understand this, and do not mean to sound whinny about these facts.
I just think that the of lack of communication and cohesion of this
group makes it very hard to get things done, that's all.  Just like
you said, you contact your go to guys at the last minute and they get
the job done (because they do rock!). But we all know this means that
only you and the go to guys know what was done and why. And that is no
way to build a team.


>  I'm worried the above content sounds like it was ment to antagonize people
>  but its really not.  I can smell that the websites team is ready to do
>  things again but its been very hard to see exactly how to do that because
>  at the end of the day... we don't get patches, or fixes or anything else.
>  I plead with someone to reply to this email and say "I can dedicate 2
>  hours a week to scheduling and holding a weekly meeting"

I don't think it sounds antagonizing; direct, honest assessment, sure,
but not antagonizing.

And I think I can smell it too.

--
Craig