[K12OSN] Think to use open source????

Tue May 18 22:55:04 UTC 2004

Huck,

wouldn't it be nice if we didn't all have to do the same thinking over and
over.  Why not let someone do the thinking once.  Do we all have to
re-invent the wheel?  In that sense lots of open source software expects too
much of the end user.  Only once that level of complexity is simplfied for
those that need it, will open source software be as successful as Microsoft
has been.  MS products have a great polish and finish.  OK, sometimes it
does too much too automatically - drives me nuts sometimes, but where would
the computing world be without all the wonderful interface that Windows has
brought to us.  I remember when Win3.1 came along ... it empowered us to do
scalable fonts. That was BIG when compared to each DOS program doing its own
fonts, printers, etc.

So lets set our goals and visions high. Expect great things from open
source.  Don't be satisfied with a half-cook bunch of software.  I fully
agree with you that OpenSource has been a FANTASTIC addition to our life. It
will be as big a revolution as the Windows on the PC revolution. There are
SO MANY reasons to get onto OpenSource software, but for it to be really
world changing, there are still many things that are too complicated ...
your example of not being able to figure out the configuration is a perfect
example.  Why do we all have to bring along our own seatbelts, install them,
etc.  Why can't we just sit down, buckle up and enjoy the ride?

my little rant for the afternoon...
joe

-----Original Message-----
From: k12osn-bounces at redhat.com [mailto:k12osn-bounces at redhat.com]On
Behalf Of Huck
Sent: Tuesday, May 18, 2004 3:24 PM
To: 'Support list for opensource software in schools.'
Subject: RE: [K12OSN] NVU Site Manager

egads!!! finally...
the transparent proxy deal works fine I guess...
I was having the hanging indefinately and thought it was a
"squid/dansguardian" issue...
apparently no proxy settings required.  yahoo! wonderific...
I honestly don't understand how people can build any sort of a valid
arguement against open source =)
the tools, and software available are just awesome!!! even if it does
take some tweaking to make it work...
I suppose windows can just say "our software is for idiots"  plug it
in...and let it take you for a ride.
and Open source says "warning, you might have to THINK to use this
product, be forewarned" =)

--Huck

-----Original Message-----
From: k12osn-bounces at redhat.com [mailto:k12osn-bounces at redhat.com] On
Behalf Of Jim Kronebusch
Sent: Tuesday, May 18, 2004 1:46 PM
To: 'Support list for opensource software in schools.'
Subject: RE: [K12OSN] NVU Site Manager

I have never used the software before but I just pulled up a screenshot
of the software from their site to see what you are talking about. After
looking at the "Publishing address (e.g.:
'ftp://ftp.myisp.com/myusername'):" section and also seeing that there
is login information below I may have an idea.  It looks like you should
treat it like a normail ftp client, give it the domain in the Publishing
address section and the logon credentials in the Login Information
section.  So if ftp://username:password@ftp.yourdomain.com works in a
Firefox then the Publishing address would be ftp://ftp.yourdomain.com
and the Login information would be Username: username and Password:
password.  You may want to try and see if that works quick (if you
haven't already).  Now if inside that folder you have a public_html
folder that the files have to reside in and you are unable to navigate
there manually you may have to edit the Publishing address to be
ftp://ftp.yourdomain.com/public_html so they export to the right
location.

Good luck

> -----Original Message-----
> From: k12osn-bounces at redhat.com
> [mailto:k12osn-bounces at redhat.com] On Behalf Of Huck
> Sent: Tuesday, May 18, 2004 3:20 PM
> To: 'Support list for opensource software in schools.'
> Subject: RE: [K12OSN] NVU Site Manager
>
>
> Thanks for all of the ideas guys...no luck on any of them..
> in Firefox if I ftp://<username>:<passwd>@<site>   it works fine...
> even ftp://<username>@<site>  works and just opens a little
> window to input passwd...
>
> but in Nvu no such luck...
> going to make updating the site a pain...(at least with this
> product for
> now)
>
> --Huck
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: k12osn-bounces at redhat.com
> [mailto:k12osn-bounces at redhat.com] On Behalf > Of Les Bell
>
> Sent: Monday, May 17, 2004 5:31 PM
> To: Support list for opensource software in schools.
> Subject: Re: [K12OSN] NVU Site Manager
>
>
>
> "Huck" <dhuckaby at paasda.org> wrote:
>
> >>
> I can't get it to retrieve the files from the remote server.
>
> apparently i'm not understanding what "Publishing address (e.g.
> 'ftp://ftp.myisp.com/myusername'): means..
> <<
>
> Huck, have you tried using an http:// URL, rather than an FTP
> one? Most web page design tools I've seen have used http to
> *fetch* the pages - after all, that's the protocol the web
> server uses - and then uses FTP to publish or upload them.
>
> I just used an http:// URL to fetch my own home page with
> Nvu, using File
> -> Open Web Location, and it worked like I'd expect.
>
> Best,
>
> --- Les Bell, RHCE, CISSP
> [http://www.lesbell.com.au]
>
>
>
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