[K12OSN] TuxPaint 0.9.16 vs. KidPix a teachers perspective

Wed Dec 13 18:46:09 UTC 2006

I agree with David.  My 3-year-old son logs in with a
username (his first name) and password (same as his
username).  It's a great way to get kids to learn to
type their name, and helps them learn/remember how to
spell it.

-Rob

--- David Trask <dtrask at vcsvikings.org> wrote:

> I disagree that logins are tough for young
> kids....my kids do it all the
> time and they start in kindergarten.  What I have
> done for my
> kindergartners is created a simple password.... 
> "12345"  They learn their
> username pretty quickly, but they also come into the
> lab with a "login
> card" which features the two screenshots of username
> and password for gdm
> on K12LTSP.  I used OO and did a mailmerge to create
> the login cards from
> the same list that I used to create the accounts in
> the first place.  the
> kid takes their card....goes to a computer and logs
> in.  In 1st grade we
> then move to normal passwords....and they do fine
> after the first few
> times....they too have login cards.  In fact, I
> provide login cards (8.5 x
> 11 for little ones and half size for the older kids)
> for everyone....the
> older kids....grades 3+ don't bother with them after
> the first couple
> times as they memorize their passwords.  If you
> start in the beginning
> with having the kids log in....then there are no bad
> habits to break with
> regard to "mass logins".  Each kid has their own
> space on the network.... 
>  Teach them now....not later.
> 
> For the younger kids the teachers often laminate the
> cards and keep them
> until the kids need them to log in into a computer
> either in the lab or
> the classroom.  For the older ones they pass them
> out the first day of
> school to the kids with the instructions to memorize
> them ASAP.  
> 
> 
> "Support list for open source software in schools."
> <k12osn at redhat.com>
> writes:
> >Sound advice indeed!
> >
> >John
> >
> >On 12/13/06, John Lucas <[
> mailto:mrjohnlucas at gmail.com
> >]mrjohnlucas at gmail.com> wrote:
> >
> >While it is OK to have the same account on multiple
> standalone machines,
> >it
> >will not be OK to have one login for 20 users on
> the same machine (i.e.
> >with
> >LTSP).
> >
> >This is not a problem with TuxPaint (as the
> original post implied), but
> >with 
> >the administrative decisions that were made in
> setting up the lab. Logins
> >for
> >very young students are tough, but ignoring the
> operational assumptions of
> >the OS is going to cause myriad problems (not just
> with TuxPaint).
> >If/when 
> >you make the change to LTSP consider kiosk-style
> accounts with one account
> >per *terminal*, this would at least eliminate
> having to create/maintain
> >accounts for every student.
> >
> >On Tuesday 12 December 2006 18:15, john wrote: 
> >> Thanks for the feedback. We have the lab in
> question set up using
> >windows.
> >> In this age group (k-5) students login with a 
> user-name based on the
> >> teacher for that class. So all 28 kids log in as
> "smith" for example. 
> >> Inside of the "smith" folder on a network share
> called k:\Smith is
> >another
> >> directory with each students name on it. Students
> drop work in that
> >> directory. This isn't the ideal set up, but for
> various historical
> >reasons 
> >> that is the convention we use. AFAIK because you
> can't "save-as" you
> >can't
> >> name  the image to differentiate it from other
> kids work. Short of
> >> providing logins for all the k-3 set who
> generally use this I don't see
> >a 
> >> way around it.
> >>
> >> What do you think?
> >>
> >> As a side note, my goal is to replace this lab
> with an LTSP set up, but
> >I
> >> need to have analogs for those things which are
> favorites. KidPix and
> >Type 
> >> to learn are big ones. Has anyone ever tried to
> run these under
> >cross-over
> >> office?
> >>
> >> John
> >>
> >> On 12/12/06, Samps <[ mailto:samps at unplugd.com
> ]samps at unplugd.com>
> >wrote: 
> >> > Quoting john  <[ mailto:lists.john at gmail.com
> ]lists.john at gmail.com>:
> >> > >> - Kids can't save to their [own] file -
> every station would have
> >> >
> >> > everyone's 
> >> >
> >> > > art - and can be deleted by anyone
> >> > > - There isn't an import option to bring in
> pictures saved from the
> >> >
> >> > internet
> >> >
> >> > > or a digital camera. 
> >> >
> >> > Have a look at the 'savedir=' option in the
> doko, it'll do the trick:
> >> >
> >> > [ http://tuxpaint.org/docs/html/OPTIONS.html
> >]http://tuxpaint.org/docs/html/OPTIONS.html 
> >> >
> >> >
> >> > Samps
> >> >
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> 
> David N. Trask
> Technology Teacher/Director
> Vassalboro Community School
> dtrask at vcsvikings.org
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