[K12OSN] Anyone done an upgrade rather than a wipe recently?

Thu Jun 19 14:44:42 UTC 2008

thank you James :-) for you comments.

i will take your advice and move (test the option first) to k12ltsp-el
v5. i here (every where) it is a good distro with a long update cycle
and support.

using fc6 was an historical  decision which is not relevant for today.
i guess it is now a time to reconsider the server's platform. i
checked debian/ubuntu and it's not tied together good enough for our
schools. (i use those platforms on my personal machine and they are
great but they are too much community and not commercial for schools)

we use kde because it has features gnome did not have (even now, maybe ?) :
* KDM ! - some many useful features.
* kde's underlying framework that can be locked down very easily (from
administrative pov)
* it is faster then gnome.
* it takes less memory too.
* wider variety of application (minor reason).
this is way we choose kde although redhat loves gnome.

:-)

On Thu, Jun 19, 2008 at 4:24 AM, James P. Kinney III
<jkinney at localnetsolutions.com> wrote:
> I don't recommend _upgrading_ from FC6 K12ltsp to anything but
> K12LTSP-EL v5. The EL version uses the same ltsp version and many of the
> F6 applications are the same (version). The difference between F6 and F9
> with LTSP is almost night and day. Keep the user data (/home with ssh
> keys and mail stuff and dump the rest) and do a fresh install.
>
> Keep in mind that Fedora (and redhat derived products) are far more
> invested in Gnome than KDE. Also remember that Fedora is a fast moving
> test playground and while things work, they don't always work smoothly.
>
> The F9 is excellent for my uses but I don't use KDE.
>
> On Wed, 2008-06-18 at 17:45 +0300, Nadav Kavalerchik wrote:
>> i have similar situation with 16 schools running fc6 ltsp4.2
>> (smoothly thanks to Eric and friends !!! supper extra thanks !!!)
>>
>> i got a master server upgrade (yum disupgrade) to fc8 a few months ago
>> and it seems ok :-)
>> a few days ago i mirrored that server and upgraded it to fc9 :-(( ...
>> well, we use kde and now it is kde4 which is not production ready.
>> * especially hard for us since we use kiosktool to lockdown the desktop
>> and much of it has changed and their is no upgraded kiosktool version for kde4.
>> * kde themes/icons are messed up.
>> * phonon is not functional when i try to use pulseaudio (maybe it
>> could be fixed, since it suppose to work on a new install)
>> * several kde application have not been ported to kde4, yet. so it is
>> a bizarre mix. allot of icons are missing.
>> * we use the server for proxy and now it's broken (for some unknown reason).
>> * i plugged in a terminal and it was booting great until it got to the
>> "X driver scan" in which it crashed in  a loop a a few times until it
>> stoped.
>>
>> as you can see their are several issue after an upgrade from fc6-->fc8-->fc9
>> i will look into those issues in the next few days and see if they can
>> be solved.
>> if not we might consider using fc8 and investigating into a fresh fc9 install.
>> it is that we had sooooo many tweaks over the years... :-) that we will need to
>> make some of them all over again. but that is life :-)
>>
>>
>> On Wed, Jun 18, 2008 at 3:25 AM, James P. Kinney III
>> <jkinney at localnetsolutions.com> wrote:
>> >
>> > On Tue, 2008-06-17 at 09:24 -0700, Jim Christiansen wrote:
>> > > Well, it's the end of our school year here and I've been driving 120
>> > > thin clients using 3 servers that range from K12LTSP Fedora 4,  5 and
>> > > 6 (or 3,4,5..) based versions.  One of each!  All have worked
>> > > PERFECTLY since each install years ago-  thanks to everyone here and
>> > > Eric!
>> > >
>> > > I have had my student Computer Club running the K12LTSP 5 Centos and
>> > > my home system as well since last fall without any issues and think
>> > > that I may as well bite the bullet and get the 3 main installs done
>> > > now...
>> > >
>> > > I have a choice of reformatting and wiping everything or doing an
>> > > upgrade knowing that tons of garbage will be left.   How much I don't
>> > > know...?  An upgrade won't wipe my users and homes and this is big for
>> > > me, too.
>> > >
>> > > What would you do?
>> >
>> > Migrate homes and user authentication to a backup drive, verify with
>> > rsync and wipe out the cruft and start fresh.
>> >
>> > You will need to remove all the really old user preferences anyway so
>> > pretty much most of the dot files go. BUT (!!!!!) be careful of mail
>> > folders and ssh keys.
>> >
>> > On the new install, put the user data on it's own partition so future
>> > wipes will not affect the user data.
>> > >
>> > >
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