[K12OSN] Any LTSP/Linux ideas?

[Johan Vermeulen]

Hello Joseph,

over here every legal district has it's own social benefit organization, 
so far we all choose our own it-path.

Because there is a merge of one district that uses Linux and ltsp with 
two districts that use Windows, the calculation was made how much it 
would cost for the new org the Windows way or the Linux way.

I guess the calculation was made by the Linux -side and is subjective.
But the Linux-boys made it.

I think the big difference in the cost is doing-it-all-yourself (with 
the help of volunteers ) vs renting-someone-to-solve-your-problems
and some rent complete networks from a provider or Dell, while we use 
OpenVpn to connect different locations.

I think this discussion is very interesting and refreshing. I certainly 
have much less experience than a lot of people on the list.
I too would have to pack it in if my group would switch to Windows, 
because I don't have the knowledge.

I always assumed that there was a Windows ltsp alternative that I didn't 
know about. Reading the different posts I guess there isn't.
Which is a good thing.

Greetings, J.



Op 21-04-13 21:16, Joseph Bishay schreef:
> Hello Johan,
>
> Thank you for your reply.
>
> How did you calculate that you would save about 100,000 Euros?  I'd
> like to make that same sort of calculation for our own situation.
>
> Thanks
> Joseph
>
>
>
> On Thu, Apr 18, 2013 at 5:35 AM, Johan Vermeulen
> <jvermeulen at cawdekempen.be> wrote:
>> Hello Joseph,
>>
>> I work in an organization that runs shelters for the homeless, refuge houses
>> for abused women and so on.
>> We have about 160 people.
>> It was recently calculated that for us, should we be about 300 people, we
>> would gain about 100.000 Euros a year because we are on Linux.
>>
>> Here is your first reason for being on Linux.
>>
>> Further I always like to present it this way:
>>
>> * we have our own 2 servers for our 160 guys, running as mailserver,
>> webserver, database server and ldap server and we have our own guys working
>> on it, some in conjunction with other jobs. We also have volunteers, like
>> yourself
>> That's cheaper than renting servers and services from another group that
>> will maybe give you good or maybe crappy service.
>>
>> * off course we run Linux on those servers, why would we pay for licenses?
>>
>> * it's all downhill from there. Why would you set up Samba to connect with
>> Windows machines when it's much easier to use ssh to communicate with Linux
>> Desktops?
>>
>> I also migrated our admin department, that wasn't easy.
>> I have to say that before I came into the organization, they were already
>> running OpenOffice, which is a big obstacle to take.
>>
>> I convinced them with
>>
>> * expanding the life of there Windows Xp machines, instead of having to buy
>> new ones with Vista.
>> * better and safer backups to the already existing Linux machines.
>> * safer and better sharing of files with the rest of the groups, who were
>> alreay on Linux.
>>
>>
>> Joseph, I really hope this is of some help to you.
>>
>> Let me know how it goes.
>>
>> Greetings, J.
>>
>>
>>
>> Op 18-04-13 10:48, Joseph Bishay schreef:
>>> Hello everyone,
>>>
>>> I hope you are all doing well today.
>>>
>>> So every few years the issue of "shouldn't we be running a Windows
>>> network?" pops up.  It very recently came up again and I'm looking for
>>> help on how to tackle it.  This is the first time it nearly was
>>> mandated and I'd like to be ready with a response.
>>>
>>> This is a school environment with about 60 desktop computers.  The
>>> question is coming from the administration -- they have been using
>>> Windows since the 3.11 days and so I believe it's just a matter of
>>> inertia.  I am also a volunteer and I'm not really sure if I'd like to
>>> continue as a volunteer if they do switch over -- the administration
>>> of it would be too much effort I fear.
>>>
>>> I'm looking for any stories, presentations, charts/data/graphs, white
>>> papers, case studies, etc. -- Anything you'd use to convince the
>>> administration that LTSP is a better choice than Windows / Apple for
>>> us.
>>>
>>> This is a crucial issue so I apologize for cross-posting to the
>>> different LTSP-based mailing lists.
>>>
>>> Thanks very much,
>>> Joseph
>>>
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