[Linux-cluster] Home-brew SAN/iSCSI
Pasi Kärkkäinen
pasik at iki.fi
Sun Oct 11 11:47:58 UTC 2009
On Sat, Oct 10, 2009 at 09:05:32PM +0100, Corey Kovacs wrote:
> One thing to keep in mind is the fact that iscsi is a tcp based protocol.
> So even though your machine might be doing nothing but acting as an iscsi
> target, it's going to take the brunt of the load in handling the tcp
> stack. If you can get a network card that handles iscsi on the card
> itself, that will help loads. Otherwise your cpu might dig a hole for
> itself to crawl into.
>
I don't think iSCSI HBA drivers to use in the _target_ are publicly
available. iSCSI HBA's in the initiator (client) are supported of course.
Then again most NICs nowadays offload TCP/IP, and most can also offload iSCSI..
HBAs are getting legacy stuff.
> Of course if your just messing about, or only using the iscsi targets
> locally, then your probably ok.
>
> Benefits of a dedicated device are management capabilities, throughput,
> flexible location, etc. Fibre channel is 8Gb standard now and SAN's are
> starting to use it instead of 4Gb, but the entry point in terms of cost is
> high. A fully loaded EVA8100 can cost 250k, the FC infrastructure can go
> to 60-80k easily. iscsi really needs to have a seperate back end storage
> network to be useful and it should be 10Gb. I hear people say it's useful
> on slower hardware but everyone has an opinion. I guess if your just using
> it for system volumes and low IO then 1G might be fine.
>
1G iSCSI works very well for many workloads, depending mostly on your
storage/target setup.
1G link can handle a lot of random IOs.. you're most probably limited by
the amount of disk spindles anyway.
FC is getting legacy aswell.. IMHO :)
-- Pasi
> Anyway hope this help and if it doesnt' at least it might give you more to
> think about.
>
> Best of luck
>
> Corey
>
> On Sat, Oct 10, 2009 at 8:41 PM, Madison Kelly <[1]linux at alteeve.com>
> wrote:
>
> Andrew A. Neuschwander wrote:
>
> Madison Kelly wrote:
>
> Hi all,
>
> Until now, I've been building 2-node clusters using DRBD+LVM for
> the shared storage. I've been teaching myself clustering, so I don't
> have a world of capital to sink into hardware at the moment. I would
> like to start getting some experience with 3+ nodes using a central
> SAN disk.
>
> So I've been pricing out the minimal hardware for a four-node
> cluster and have something to start with. My current hiccup though
> is the SAN side. I've searched around, but have not been able to get
> a clear answer.
>
> Is it possible to build a host machine (CentOS/Debian) to have a
> simple MD device and make it available to the cluster nodes as an
> iSCSI/SAN device? Being a learning exercise, I am not too worried
> about speed or redundancy (beyond testing failure types and
> recovery).
>
> Thanks for any insight, advice, pointers!
>
> Madi
>
> If you want to use a Linux host as a iscsi 'server' (a target in iscsi
> terminiology), you can use IET, the iSCSI Enterprise Target:
> [2]http://iscsitarget.sourceforge.net/. I've used it and it works
> well, but it is a little CPU hungry. Obviously, you don't get the
> benefits of a hardware SAN, but you don't get the cost either.
>
> -Andrew
>
> Thanks, Andrew! I'll go look at that now.
>
> I was planning on building my SAN server on an core2duo-based system
> with 2GB of RAM. I figured that the server will do nothing but
> host/handle the SAN/iSCSI stuff, so the CPU consumption should be fine.
> Is there a way to quantify the "CPU/Memory hungry"-ness of running a SAN
> box? Ie: what does a given read/write/etc call "cost"?
>
> As an aside, beyond hot-swap/bandwidth/quality, what generally is the
> "advantage" of dedicated SAN/iSCSI hardware vs. white box roll-your-own?
>
> Thanks again!
>
> Madi
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>
> Visible links
> 1. mailto:linux at alteeve.com
> 2. http://iscsitarget.sourceforge.net/
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