[PatternFly] modals and wizards -- should they be movable?

[Liz Clayton]

Hi,

On Mon, Mar 20, 2017 at 5:37 PM, Allie Jacobs <ajacobs at redhat.com> wrote:

> I'm not sure if there's any harm other than the widget moving around
> unexpectedly.
>

I think there could be some harm if moving the modal around was a
distraction that cost the user time and/or task focus.


> But to Matt's point the use case for a modal would be one where the user
> should not be trying to interact with the base page.
>

Also echo'ing Matt's point - placing modal dialogs front & center, while
blocking interaction with the background, demands attention and helps to
convey the importance of the task. Being able to push it aside might
minimize that.

Maybe the 5% use case could be better served by additional on screen help
text or other contextual info.

Liz C


> I would agree with updating PatternFly's modal documentation and possibly
> exploring a separate pattern for a moveable dialog.
>
> On Mon, Mar 20, 2017 at 4:46 PM, Mike Amburn <mamburn at redhat.com> wrote:
>
>> I’m curious… what’s the harm in allowing modals to be moved?
>>
>> - allowing movement doesn’t alter the state of either the modal window or
>> the background
>> - no harm for 95% of the time when a user wouldn’t need to see
>> information in the background
>> - great benefit for the 5% that do
>> - keeps the info displayed in the modal focused on the 95% with a
>> workaround for the 5%
>>
>> No strong feelings either way, just thinking it through.
>>
>>
>> On Mon, Mar 20, 2017 at 3:20 PM, Liz Clayton <lclayton at redhat.com> wrote:
>>
>>> Hi,
>>>
>>> On Mon, Mar 20, 2017 at 1:45 PM, Matt Carrano <mcarrano at redhat.com>
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>>> It's an interesting question, Greg.  IMO, the reason for using a modal
>>>> dialog should be to focus the user's attention on completing the task at
>>>> hand before doing something else in the UI.  So in working from that
>>>> premise, it begs the question of why someone needs the dialog to be
>>>> movable.  If the concern is that it's covering content on the parent screen
>>>> that the user needs in completing the task, then it seems like a modal is
>>>> either the wrong solution or that information should be available from
>>>> within the dialog.
>>>>
>>> +1
>>>
>>>>
>>>> I'm also interested in what others think about this.  I wouldn't be in
>>>> favor of making PatternFly modals movable unless there is a use case
>>>> justification that we can point to.
>>>>
>>>
>>> I guess if any of the dialogs warranted being modeless
>>> <https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dialog_box#Modeless> instead, then
>>> allowing them to move would make sense. If not, then I agree that they
>>> shouldn't need to move.
>>>
>>> It might be helpful to have some documentation for the "modal" widget in
>>> Patternfly, that offered some usage best practices and clarify terms
>>> (modal, modeless, dialog, overlay...) I found this little writeup useful:
>>> https://uxplanet.org/5-essential-ux-rules-for-dialog-design-
>>> 4de258c22116#.q1fizexrl .
>>>
>>> Liz C.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>> Matt
>>>>
>>>> On Mon, Mar 20, 2017 at 12:57 PM, Greg Sheremeta <gshereme at redhat.com>
>>>> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> Hi all,
>>>>>
>>>>> We recently implemented Patternfly styling on our modal dialogs, and
>>>>> instantly received a bug [1] about them no longer being draggable.
>>>>> According to a quick search, bootstrap's modals do not support dragging,
>>>>> but that functionality could be added with jquery-ui [2]. According to [3],
>>>>> it's not a great idea.
>>>>>
>>>>> oVirt is quite modal-dialog heavy, so I can see why users would want
>>>>> this. We are in the planning stages of moving away from having so many
>>>>> dialogs, so I'm not terribly worried about it. But I did think it was a
>>>>> good idea to ask the list.
>>>>>
>>>>> So, what do people think about draggable modals?
>>>>>
>>>>> Best wishes,
>>>>> Greg
>>>>>
>>>>> [1] https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=1434048
>>>>> [2] http://stackoverflow.com/questions/27120579/jquery-dragg
>>>>> able-with-bootstrap-modal-scroller-strange-behaviour
>>>>> [3] http://ux.stackexchange.com/questions/81134/should-modal
>>>>> -dialogs-be-movable
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> --
>>>>> Greg Sheremeta, MBA
>>>>> Red Hat, Inc.
>>>>> Sr. Software Engineer
>>>>> gshereme at redhat.com
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