[PatternFly] Browser support update

Tue May 22 19:33:31 UTC 2018

On Tue, May 22, 2018 at 3:31 PM, Stian Thorgersen <sthorger at redhat.com>
wrote:

> On keycloak.org we have ~5% on IE11 this year. Of IE users 95% of our
> users are on IE11.
>
> Looking at https://www.w3counter.com/globalstats.php there's 2.81% for
> IE11. On http://gs.statcounter.com/browser-market-share/desktop/worldwide
> it says 7.17%, which I assume is mostly IE11. They don't give details on
> individual versions as far as I can see.
>

6.19%

>
>
> From my understanding there's still a lot of folks on Windows XP in the
> world and a good proportion has not updated to Edge. I remember how long it
> took to get rid of IE6.
>
> For RH-SSO and Keycloak we have login pages as well as the account
> management console that both should be available to most users. Available
> is subjective of course, but if there's CSS variables used which is not
> supported at all on IE11 I would assume it would look very bad on IE11?
>
> On 22 May 2018 at 21:05, Andres Galante <agalante at redhat.com> wrote:
>
>> Hi Stian,
>>
>> How much of that IE traffic is IE11?
>>
>> On Tue, May 22, 2018 at 3:11 PM, Stian Thorgersen <sthorger at redhat.com>
>> wrote:
>>
>>> According to http://gs.statcounter.com/browser-market-share/desktop/wo
>>> rldwide
>>>
>>> IE11 is still more popular than Edge.
>>>
>>> I get the same numbers from keycloak.org.
>>>
>>> On 22 May 2018 at 20:07, Stian Thorgersen <sthorger at redhat.com> wrote:
>>>
>>>> Is the world really ready to move on from IE11? For admin facing apps I
>>>> don't see it as a problem, but what about end-user facing apps?
>>>>
>>>> On 18 May 2018 at 10:53, Guillaume Vincent <gvincent at redhat.com> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> this is a good news, thank you patternfly !
>>>>>
>>>>> On Thu, May 17, 2018 at 1:22 PM, Andres Galante <agalante at redhat.com>
>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> Hi Stan,
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Yes! it means we'll go back to use CSS variables following the same 2
>>>>>> tier variable system
>>>>>> <https://css-tricks.com/theming-with-variables-globals-and-locals/>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> We'll also be able to use CSS grids to build layouts :)
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> On Thu, May 17, 2018 at 8:14 AM, Stan Silvert <ssilvert at redhat.com>
>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> I'm quite happy to ditch IE11.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Does that mean PatternFly Next will use CSS variables instead of
>>>>>>> preprocessor variables?  Eliminating the preprocessor will make me double
>>>>>>> happy!
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> For our app we want to allow an administrator to do simple theme
>>>>>>> changes from the admin console.  This gets really easy to implement if the
>>>>>>> app doesn't need preprocessing.  If we have to use a preprocessor then it
>>>>>>> becomes extremely complicated.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Stan
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> On 5/16/2018 4:55 PM, Leslie Hinson wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Hey Fliers
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> At the last PatternFly Next update, the topic of IE11 browser
>>>>>>> support came up. Specifically, the question on whether or not we needed to
>>>>>>> support it moving forward.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> As a result, we wanted to follow up to ensure we understood
>>>>>>> PatternFly users' browser support roadmap. From what we've been able to
>>>>>>> gather, we learned that the majority of PatternFly users that are
>>>>>>> interested in migrating to PatternFly-Next are comfortable proceeding
>>>>>>> without IE11 support moving forward. We will continue to have PF3 for any
>>>>>>> users that still require that level of support, however we don't believe
>>>>>>> that IE11 support is worth the cost for this next major version.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Thanks to everyone that raised this concern as well as those that
>>>>>>> provided input to help us make this decision.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> --
>>>>>>> Leslie Hinson
>>>>>>> PatternFly Lead, UXD
>>>>>>>
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>>>>>
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