[PatternFly] Browser support update

Stan Silvert ssilvert at redhat.com
Tue May 22 20:01:51 UTC 2018


Maybe we can load a polyfill when we detect IE11?

Would this work for all the new features you plan to use Andres?

On 5/22/2018 3:31 PM, Stian Thorgersen wrote:
> On keycloak.org <http://keycloak.org> we have ~5% on IE11 this year. 
> Of IE users 95% of our users are on IE11.
>
> Looking at https://www.w3counter.com/globalstats.php there's 2.81% for 
> IE11. On 
> http://gs.statcounter.com/browser-market-share/desktop/worldwide it 
> says 7.17%, which I assume is mostly IE11. They don't give details on 
> individual versions as far as I can see.
>
> From my understanding there's still a lot of folks on Windows XP in 
> the world and a good proportion has not updated to Edge. I remember 
> how long it took to get rid of IE6.
>
> For RH-SSO and Keycloak we have login pages as well as the account 
> management console that both should be available to most users. 
> Available is subjective of course, but if there's CSS variables used 
> which is not supported at all on IE11 I would assume it would look 
> very bad on IE11?
>
> On 22 May 2018 at 21:05, Andres Galante <agalante at redhat.com 
> <mailto:agalante at redhat.com>> wrote:
>
>     Hi Stian,
>
>     How much of that IE traffic is IE11?
>
>     On Tue, May 22, 2018 at 3:11 PM, Stian Thorgersen
>     <sthorger at redhat.com <mailto:sthorger at redhat.com>> wrote:
>
>         According to
>         http://gs.statcounter.com/browser-market-share/desktop/worldwide
>         <http://gs.statcounter.com/browser-market-share/desktop/worldwide>
>
>
>         IE11 is still more popular than Edge.
>
>         I get the same numbers from keycloak.org <http://keycloak.org>.
>
>         On 22 May 2018 at 20:07, Stian Thorgersen <sthorger at redhat.com
>         <mailto:sthorger at redhat.com>> wrote:
>
>             Is the world really ready to move on from IE11? For admin
>             facing apps I don't see it as a problem, but what about
>             end-user facing apps?
>
>             On 18 May 2018 at 10:53, Guillaume Vincent
>             <gvincent at redhat.com <mailto:gvincent at redhat.com>> wrote:
>
>                 this is a good news, thank you patternfly !
>
>                 On Thu, May 17, 2018 at 1:22 PM, Andres Galante
>                 <agalante at redhat.com <mailto:agalante at redhat.com>> wrote:
>
>                     Hi Stan,
>
>                     Yes! it means we'll go back to use CSS variables
>                     following the same 2 tier variable system
>                     <https://css-tricks.com/theming-with-variables-globals-and-locals/>
>
>
>                     We'll also be able to use CSS grids to build
>                     layouts :)
>
>
>                     On Thu, May 17, 2018 at 8:14 AM, Stan Silvert
>                     <ssilvert at redhat.com <mailto:ssilvert at redhat.com>>
>                     wrote:
>
>                         I'm quite happy to ditch IE11.
>
>                         Does that mean PatternFly Next will use CSS
>                         variables instead of preprocessor variables?
>                         Eliminating the preprocessor will make me
>                         double happy!
>
>                         For our app we want to allow an administrator
>                         to do simple theme changes from the admin
>                         console.  This gets really easy to implement
>                         if the app doesn't need preprocessing. If we
>                         have to use a preprocessor then it becomes
>                         extremely complicated.
>
>                         Stan
>
>
>                         On 5/16/2018 4:55 PM, Leslie Hinson wrote:
>>                         Hey Fliers
>>
>>                         At the last PatternFly Next update, the topic
>>                         of IE11 browser support came up.
>>                         Specifically, the question on whether or not
>>                         we needed to support it moving forward.
>>
>>                         As a result, we wanted to follow up to ensure
>>                         we understood PatternFly users' browser
>>                         support roadmap. From what we've been able to
>>                         gather, we learned that the majority of
>>                         PatternFly users that are interested in
>>                         migrating to PatternFly-Next are comfortable
>>                         proceeding without IE11 support moving
>>                         forward. We will continue to have PF3 for any
>>                         users that still require that level of
>>                         support, however we don't believe that IE11
>>                         support is worth the cost for this next major
>>                         version.
>>
>>                         Thanks to everyone that raised this concern
>>                         as well as those that provided input to help
>>                         us make this decision.
>>
>>                         -- 
>>                         Leslie Hinson
>>                         PatternFly Lead, UXD
>>
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