[rhn-users] RHN List Membership

[Mansour, Michael]

Hi Robert,

The problem (for me) with off-topic messages is they take time to wade
through, there's only so many work hours in the day.

Being a member of many lists (around 50), you can imagine it takes a lot
of time to wade through.

With lists that are mostly off-topic, people (like me) will just leave
them.

Who ends up losing? The people subscribed to the list that want the help
of "guru's" that have left the list because of the noise levels.

Regards,

Michael.

-----Original Message-----
From: rhn-users-bounces at redhat.com [mailto:rhn-users-bounces at redhat.com]
On Behalf Of Robert Potts
Sent: Friday, 26 January 2007 6:11 AM
To: Discussions about Red Hat Network (rhn.redhat.com)
Subject: Re: [rhn-users] RHN List Membership

"I thought the whole purpose of lists like this was to help out
colleagues as well as get help for ourselves if needed. If someone is
way out of line for this discussion list, why not just point them in the
right direction?"

You got that right.

Every list I belong to and ever have belonged to has had this come up as
an issue many times.

People are people, you can fight human nature, but the reality is
evolution takes a long time, and we ain't so far out of the jungle as we
think.  I tend to piss a lot of people off on this list when I get mad
at the way RHN does its business and suggest people move to OpenBSD.  
Well, thanks for putting up with me is all I can ultimately say.

And you know what else?  Sometimes people post something off-topic for
the list that is actually very interesting and informative.  So it works
both ways.

Prob'ly made some people mad, again, ok, here come the rocks and
garbage, again.  Take your best shot...

-Robert (aka "Troll", "A**hole", "Moron", and a host of other colorful
nicknames people have applied ;^)

Tom Rivers wrote:
> Nick Thompson wrote:
>> I agree as well.
>>
>> Nick
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: rhn-users-bounces at redhat.com
>> [mailto:rhn-users-bounces at redhat.com]On Behalf Of d.qureshi at mdx.ac.uk
>> Sent: Thursday, January 25, 2007 6:33 AM
>> To: rhn-users at redhat.com
>> Subject: Re: [rhn-users] RHN List Membership
>>
>>
>> I totally share and support your view on this matter.
>>
>>  
>>> I thought the whole purpose of lists like this was to help out 
>>> colleagues as well as get help for ourselves if needed. If someone 
>>> is way out of line for this discussion list, why not just point them

>>> in the right direction? It is not like we are all forced to respond 
>>> to questions if we don't want to. This is a support group.
>>> BRAVO!!!
>>> Hurra!!!
>>> I could not say it better!
>>> Thank you.
>>>
>>> Thorsten
>>>
>>> _______________________________________________
>>>     
> I think the point of this particular discussion has been lost.  Nobody

> is saying that people who have questions should not be helped.  If 
> someone has said that, then I want to be on record as saying that is 
> not what I believe or is it what I think the vast majority of people 
> on this list believe either.  The problem is people who evidently 
> don't bother to read the description at the top of the web page used 
> to sign up for this list.  The page in question, 
> https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/rhn-users, explicitly says 
> what this list is about:
>
> "This list is not intended for discussion about topics specific to Red

> Hat Enterprise Linux that do not involve Red Hat Network. For 
> discussion of such topics, you may want to try..."
>
> It even gives links to the lists for general questions for both RHEL
> V3 and V4.  So for anyone who is paying attention, the message is 
> clear.  As for the argument that some people don't know what Red Hat 
> Network really is, the sentence above unambiguously says this list is 
> NOT about topics specific to Red Hat Enterprise Linux.  Is that really

> so hard to understand?  To me it seems obvious that anyone who has a 
> specific question regarding Red Hat Enterprise Linux should NOT expect

> to get answers by joining this list.
>
> Polite people don't just jump into a new community with the 
> expectation of getting answers to off-topic questions.  A polite 
> person, faced with the uncertainty of whether or not this list is the 
> proper place for a particular question, would ask for help finding the

> proper place to get help.  Instead it seems commonplace that users who

> should have paid attention to the overtly posted purpose of this list 
> just jump right in and start asking whatever question comes to mind.
> That's fine, but to expect NOT to be corrected for such obviously poor

> social and reading comprehension skills is ridiculous.
>
> As to the point "the whole purpose of lists like this was to help out 
> colleagues as well as get help for ourselves if needed", I don't 
> disagree.  "Lists like this" certainly do perform that function.
> However you don't ask RHEL questions on an RHN list any more than you 
> would bring your Ford to the local Toyota mechanic.  There is a proper

> place for all of these questions and it doesn't take a rocket 
> scientist to understand that.
>
> The bottom line is that there are rules covering how this list 
> operates just like there are rules that govern almost every aspect of 
> life.  If you post off-topic, then you're breaking the rules.  If 
> someone tells you you're breaking the rules and you get upset that you

> were corrected, grow up.  Following rules is the right thing to do and

> it is also the polite thing to do.  That's really how simple this 
> whole issue really is.
>
>
> Tom
>
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