[rhn-users] RHN List Membership

Mon Jan 29 03:42:01 UTC 2007

Point well taken.  And well expressed, I might add.  I'll keep that in 
mind in the future.
warm regards,
Robert

Mansour, Michael wrote:
> Hi Robert,
>
> The problem (for me) with off-topic messages is they take time to wade
> through, there's only so many work hours in the day.
>
> Being a member of many lists (around 50), you can imagine it takes a lot
> of time to wade through.
>
> With lists that are mostly off-topic, people (like me) will just leave
> them.
>
> Who ends up losing? The people subscribed to the list that want the help
> of "guru's" that have left the list because of the noise levels.
>
> Regards,
>
> Michael.
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: rhn-users-bounces at redhat.com [mailto:rhn-users-bounces at redhat.com]
> On Behalf Of Robert Potts
> Sent: Friday, 26 January 2007 6:11 AM
> To: Discussions about Red Hat Network (rhn.redhat.com)
> Subject: Re: [rhn-users] RHN List Membership
>
> "I thought the whole purpose of lists like this was to help out
> colleagues as well as get help for ourselves if needed. If someone is
> way out of line for this discussion list, why not just point them in the
> right direction?"
>
> You got that right.
>
> Every list I belong to and ever have belonged to has had this come up as
> an issue many times.
>
> People are people, you can fight human nature, but the reality is
> evolution takes a long time, and we ain't so far out of the jungle as we
> think.  I tend to piss a lot of people off on this list when I get mad
> at the way RHN does its business and suggest people move to OpenBSD.  
> Well, thanks for putting up with me is all I can ultimately say.
>
> And you know what else?  Sometimes people post something off-topic for
> the list that is actually very interesting and informative.  So it works
> both ways.
>
> Prob'ly made some people mad, again, ok, here come the rocks and
> garbage, again.  Take your best shot...
>
> -Robert (aka "Troll", "A**hole", "Moron", and a host of other colorful
> nicknames people have applied ;^)
>
> Tom Rivers wrote:
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>> Nick Thompson wrote:
>>     
>>> I agree as well.
>>>
>>> Nick
>>>
>>> -----Original Message-----
>>> From: rhn-users-bounces at redhat.com
>>> [mailto:rhn-users-bounces at redhat.com]On Behalf Of d.qureshi at mdx.ac.uk
>>> Sent: Thursday, January 25, 2007 6:33 AM
>>> To: rhn-users at redhat.com
>>> Subject: Re: [rhn-users] RHN List Membership
>>>
>>>
>>> I totally share and support your view on this matter.
>>>
>>>  
>>>       
>>>> I thought the whole purpose of lists like this was to help out 
>>>> colleagues as well as get help for ourselves if needed. If someone 
>>>> is way out of line for this discussion list, why not just point them
>>>>         
>
>   
>>>> in the right direction? It is not like we are all forced to respond 
>>>> to questions if we don't want to. This is a support group.
>>>> BRAVO!!!
>>>> Hurra!!!
>>>> I could not say it better!
>>>> Thank you.
>>>>
>>>> Thorsten
>>>>
>>>> _______________________________________________
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>>>>         
>> I think the point of this particular discussion has been lost.  Nobody
>>     
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>> is saying that people who have questions should not be helped.  If 
>> someone has said that, then I want to be on record as saying that is 
>> not what I believe or is it what I think the vast majority of people 
>> on this list believe either.  The problem is people who evidently 
>> don't bother to read the description at the top of the web page used 
>> to sign up for this list.  The page in question, 
>> https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/rhn-users, explicitly says 
>> what this list is about:
>>
>> "This list is not intended for discussion about topics specific to Red
>>     
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>> Hat Enterprise Linux that do not involve Red Hat Network. For 
>> discussion of such topics, you may want to try..."
>>
>> It even gives links to the lists for general questions for both RHEL
>> V3 and V4.  So for anyone who is paying attention, the message is 
>> clear.  As for the argument that some people don't know what Red Hat 
>> Network really is, the sentence above unambiguously says this list is 
>> NOT about topics specific to Red Hat Enterprise Linux.  Is that really
>>     
>
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>> so hard to understand?  To me it seems obvious that anyone who has a 
>> specific question regarding Red Hat Enterprise Linux should NOT expect
>>     
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>> to get answers by joining this list.
>>
>> Polite people don't just jump into a new community with the 
>> expectation of getting answers to off-topic questions.  A polite 
>> person, faced with the uncertainty of whether or not this list is the 
>> proper place for a particular question, would ask for help finding the
>>     
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>> proper place to get help.  Instead it seems commonplace that users who
>>     
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>> should have paid attention to the overtly posted purpose of this list 
>> just jump right in and start asking whatever question comes to mind.
>> That's fine, but to expect NOT to be corrected for such obviously poor
>>     
>
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>> social and reading comprehension skills is ridiculous.
>>
>> As to the point "the whole purpose of lists like this was to help out 
>> colleagues as well as get help for ourselves if needed", I don't 
>> disagree.  "Lists like this" certainly do perform that function.
>> However you don't ask RHEL questions on an RHN list any more than you 
>> would bring your Ford to the local Toyota mechanic.  There is a proper
>>     
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>> place for all of these questions and it doesn't take a rocket 
>> scientist to understand that.
>>
>> The bottom line is that there are rules covering how this list 
>> operates just like there are rules that govern almost every aspect of 
>> life.  If you post off-topic, then you're breaking the rules.  If 
>> someone tells you you're breaking the rules and you get upset that you
>>     
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>> were corrected, grow up.  Following rules is the right thing to do and
>>     
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>> it is also the polite thing to do.  That's really how simple this 
>> whole issue really is.
>>
>>
>> Tom
>>
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