How did people here learn GUIs

Wed Jul 20 18:16:12 UTC 2016

Oh my word, I forgot about edlin.  Had to use that to rebuild a batch file I broke on my first dos box about a month after I got it.
Ah, those were the days!

Everything happens after coffee!

Mark Peveto
Registered Linux user number 600552
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On Wed, 20 Jul 2016, Jude DaShiell wrote:

> The only part of vim I like and use is called ex.  It's a hang over from all
> those dBase III+ programs I wrote using edlin at work I think. Other than
> that, I do also use emacs whenever possible and any additional resources I can
> get working with emacs.  Good to know folding is possible using vim since I
> may run into a vim user that might not know it's possible.
>
> On Wed, 20 Jul 2016, Janina Sajka wrote:
>
> > Date: Wed, 20 Jul 2016 11:13:54
> > From: Janina Sajka <janina at rednote.net>
> > Reply-To: Linux for blind general discussion <blinux-list at redhat.com>
> > To: Linux for blind general discussion <blinux-list at redhat.com>
> > Subject: Re: How did people here learn GUIs
> >
> > Jude, Paul:
> >
> > You can also do this in vim using what vim calls folding.
> >
> > I've found it very helpful on large documents, when I need to sections
> > of the document to be on screen at the same time. The stuff inbetween
> > gets "folded" out of the way.
> >
> > Janina
> >
> > Jude DaShiell writes:
> > > Paul,
> > >
> > > Have you tried orgmode for an outliner yet?  Also, have you tried cinnamon
> > > yet?  If you haven't, org-mode is part of any current version of emacs and
> > > you get to its documentation by running info org.  Cinnamon is a flavor of
> > > operating system offered by debian fedora and other distributions.
> > >
> > > On Tue, 19 Jul 2016, Paul Merrell wrote:
> > >
> > > > Date: Tue, 19 Jul 2016 15:22:01
> > > > From: Paul Merrell <marbux at gmail.com>
> > > > Reply-To: Linux for blind general discussion <blinux-list at redhat.com>
> > > > To: Linux for blind general discussion <blinux-list at redhat.com>
> > > > Subject: Re: How did people here learn GUIs
> > > >
> > > > I guess I'm going to show my age here. I began my computing experience
> > > > running a DEC PDP8 with a proprietary operating system (punched paper
> > > > tape days). That was followed by several computerized phototypesetting
> > > > machines made by Compugraphic, including one of the very first area
> > > > composition systems, the Compugraphic ACM 9000. (My first career was
> > > > as a typographer.)
> > > >
> > > > My first personal computer was a KeyPro IV portable (26 pounds), which
> > > > came with a CP/M operating system. I quickly discovered Rex Conn's
> > > > ZCPR modifications for the CPU that enabled more versatile batch
> > > > programming. I stuck with CP/M until MS DOS was at version 5.0, at
> > > > which time I switched to DR DOS with the 4DOS extensions. 4DOS (also
> > > > by Rex Conn) gave DOS approximately the capabilities of the UNIX KORN
> > > > shell of that period. Later I added WordPerfect Corp.'s Shell 4.0 for
> > > > my GUI. Shell was roughly the equivalent of Windows 3.11 but was menu
> > > > rather than window and icon based. And unlike Windows it was fully
> > > > programmable and had task switching memory management that was vastly
> > > > superior to Windows 3.11 (I used to run Windows 3.11 as an app under
> > > > Shell 4.0.)
> > > >
> > > > Eventually, I was forced onto Windows 98 as program support for DOS
> > > > faded away. But Win98 was full of bugs and I never liked the
> > > > window/icon graphical user interface (I have the same issue with OS
> > > > X).  Many of my DOS programs (including Shell 4.0) could no longer be
> > > > used because they lacked long file name support and would convert long
> > > > file names created by Windows and programs to 8.3 format, which would
> > > > bring the system to its knees.
> > > >
> > > > Windows XP was next. There were a lot fewer critical bugs than Win98.
> > > > I regained a lot of the batch processing versatility by running Rex
> > > > Conn's TakeCommand on top of XP. At the time, TakeCommand used a
> > > > menu-driven paradigm.
> > > >
> > > > I was forced to take a medical retirement in 2002 (I had been a lawyer
> > > > in my second career) because of an injury that vastly curtailed my
> > > > brain's working memory. At that point I had been aware of Linux for
> > > > several years and after cursing a dual boot setup with Kubuntu for a
> > > > few months bought a second PC for it and switched the XP machine to
> > > > Win7. By this time, TakeCommand had largely switched to the
> > > > windows/icon paradigm but Win 7 was far more stable for the must-have
> > > > Windows programs. And I stuck with Kubuntu until KDE 4.0 was imposed.
> > > > The productivity hit from all the KDE 4.0 eye candy and gadgetry sent
> > > > me running for a new Linux desktop. I wound up using Linux Mint with
> > > > the Mate desktop because of the developers' commitment to keeping the
> > > > Gnome 2 desktop experience alive and there's access to all of the
> > > > Ubuntu distro's packages. Since my retirement, my need for Windows
> > > > programs has largely subsided and I mostly use the Mint box plus a
> > > > laptop that also runs Mint.
> > > >
> > > > Because of the brain injury, use of an outliner for taking notes
> > > > became important. I wasted a few years looking for an outliner that
> > > > was both cross-platform and capable of a minimalist HTML export with a
> > > > hyperlinked table of contents.  I finally found the one I was looking
> > > > for in NoteCase Pro. I fell in love with it to the extent that my
> > > > retirement hobby for the last 5 years or so is assisting in its
> > > > development as a volunteer, improving its accessibility (still a long
> > > > way to go there), writing its Help file, and writing extensions for it
> > > > in the Lua scripting language. I suspect that because of its
> > > > extensibility it is among the geekiest of outliners out there.
> > > >
> > > > I love Linux because of the powerful command line with the BASH shell.
> > > > Windows, icons, and mouse pointers at the OS level have all seemed
> > > > like giant leaps backwards to me. But the advertising myth that they
> > > > boost productivity seems unstoppable. Linux at least offers me a
> > > > choice.
> > > >
> > > > Best regards,
> > > >
> > > > Paul;
> > > >
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