Blind vs. mainstream distros
Linux for blind general discussion
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Mon Apr 24 03:41:58 UTC 2017
Audio content doesn't equate to accessibility by the blind. Just think
of all of those products that include speech or audio but still aren't
accessible. We may stand to gain from this with better and more
responsive speech synthesizers, but this won't always translate into
more accessible applications or platforms.
I hope when you switch to Linux there will be an accessible mainstream
distribution or you will have the skills and the patience to take a
mainstream distribution and customize it to meet your accessibility needs.
In the mean time, Vinux and other distributions will be available to
blind Linux users. Also, just because a distribution has been customized
to come up speaking or has Speakup built into the kernel or includes a
working copy of Emacs with Emacspeak and so on doesn't mean you can't
continue to customize it to your hearts content. There's also nothing
that says a blind person has to use Vinux or any other distribution
customized with the blind Linux user in mind. A blind Linux user can
still start with any distribution they want, just like any Linux user.
chaltain at Gmail
On 23/04/17 21:38, Linux for blind general discussion wrote:
> so do those with learning disabilities who also use screen readers.
> Accessible as defined will differ as well.
> further the experience of blindness is not required to program
> accessible installers etc...not that two people with even the same
> diagnosis will experience blindness the same anyway. Again this
> distribution of our own idea as Tony noted is not as productive as
> incorporating inclusion into main distributions.
> The person Tony mentioned a while working on access for Debian and with
> speakup does not experience sight loss at all.
> Lastly, spoken content is found more and more in general products, no
> reference to sight loss required.
> If I ever get around to using Linux outside of the Ubuntu shells I have,
> it will be a main distribution.Karen
> On Sun, 23 Apr 2017, Linux for blind general discussion wrote:
>> I'm not sure if I'm following these arguments. Blind users do share
>> some common goals in a distribution. An accessible installer,
>> accessible applications and so on. I'm also not sure there' needs to
>> be such a strong sense of community. There are hundreds of
>> distributions out there now. I'm sure there are distributions based on
>> a lot less shared needs then blind Linux users have. I say just as any
>> other distribution, put it out there and either the users will come or
>> they won't.
>> Christopher (CJ)
>> chaltain at Gmail
>> On 23/04/17 20:16, Linux for blind general discussion wrote:
>>> Again I say what community?
>>> If one utilized a definition of shared attributes drawn from the
>>> majority of those you consider in your community, one thing you just
>>> indicated would
>>> mean you do not qualify.
>>> In every major country where figures are available, less than 10% of
>>> those who are indeed blind read braille. that means 90% of your
>>> community do not share something with you, but you feed a stereotype
>>> from those outside of your community as you cal it makes it harder for
>>> that 90%.
>>> You talking of uniformity where little if any exists, though likely not
>>> intended, feeds the barriers to understanding by those you define as
>>> totally outside of your community.
>>> I prefer to focus on common desires with individual choices. The more
>>> choices on the buffet, the greater the number who are fed.
>>> On Sun, 23 Apr 2017, Linux for blind general discussion wrote:
>>> > I am probably the one who made the quit about the "blind community".
>>> > And yes, that label does cause a "us vs. them response). Still, when
>>> > it comes to the world in general, we all have to educate others and
>>> > some of them just won't listen. Frankly, to me, it doesn't matter too
>>> > much. Every group, regardless of disability, race, etc has its
>>> > elitists and also has its common folks.
>>> > > Unfortunately, community is needed just now because, without it, no
>>> > one will listen. If everyone listened, there wouldn't be a need.
>>> > > Now, as for me… I am about as individual as they get. I can
>>> > independently, read braille, type pretty fast and I still have my
>>> > health. I don't like collective groups, but they can be a useful tool
>>> > for getting some things done. Thats pretty much the same thing with
>>> > Linux. Its a collective group that has one idea in mind: free and
>>> > source. Anything wrong with that? nope!
>>> > > now, perhaps we have gotten a bit off track here.
>>> > > -eric
>>> > > On Apr 23, 2017, at 5:50 PM, Linux for blind general discussion
>>> > > > Um, to the non-existent community person, did you really mean to
>>> > > respond to me? I believe I ultimately said the same thing. I'm not
>>> > > the one who mentioned some "blind community," and I for one also
>>> > > believe this is something that simply doesn't exist. I'm just as
>>> > > human as you, and I work toward humanization of all humans, not
>>> > > discrimination against any human, which is why I also struggle to
>>> > > inform people of the real ramifications of the whole "blind" vs
>>> > > "sighted" attitude. Once we can get to the place where we are all
>>> > > human whether our eies fully work or not, then we can solve a lot
>>> > > more of the world's problems, including the "mainstream" vs
>>> > > "specialized" problem.
>>> > > ~ Kyle
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