Sonar GNU/Linux merges with Vinux

Linux for blind general discussion blinux-list at
Mon Apr 24 17:47:50 UTC 2017

Okay, lets just make this perfectly clear. You don't care that a new 
user trying to switch from Windows to linux would be confused by having 
to learn all new shortcut keys, right? You are saying that in your 
opinion insert+t just makes so much more sense than F12 that it is more 
important than whether new users are confused by that shortcut key -- 
not to mention all the others. They can just tough it out, right? Is 
that fair to say?

PS: Technically, I am not arguing that F12 should be the standard. I am 
arguing that there should be a standard and whether it's insert+t or F12 
isn't really to the point. To be fair, I think it would be next to 
impossible to get Freedom Scientific to change to insert+t and therefore 
it would be next to impossible to get nvda to change.

-- John Heim

On 04/24/2017 10:29 AM, Linux for blind general discussion wrote:
> No. F12 does not mean time in any language. F12 may be a Jaws thing, 
> and it may even be an NVDA thing, but it's far from a standard. Last I 
> checked, time wasn't spelled with an f anything. Therefore, f12 
> telling me the time is stupid and illogical at best. I want my t damn 
> it. T for time, t for tell, t for anything you like, but don't make me 
> learn a completely stupid and illogical key combination simply because 
> some proprietary power decided long ago that t for time was somehow 
> insufficient. If you want f12 or even the page down key to tell you 
> the time, by all means, please do configure Orca that way, for 
> yourself. Those of us who have used Orca, and even those of us who 
> came to Orca from somewhere else, fully appreciate the benefits of 
> Orca's mnemonic keybindings over the stupid and illogical ones we had 
> to learn in other screen readers just to get them to do basic things.
> ~Kyle
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