amazon?

Sat Aug 24 20:14:22 UTC 2019

And since no one in customer service can actually reach Amazon 
accessibility directly, that is not going to change.

On Sat, 24 Aug 2019, Linux for blind general discussion wrote:

> amazon accessibility has fallen down on the job or isn't being managed
> properly.  Amazon accessibility may also be using a lynx modeling
> simulator which is now low grade enough much of the keyboard
> accessibility got sacrificed.
>
> On Sat, 24 Aug 2019, Linux for blind general discussion wrote:
>
>> Date: Sat, 24 Aug 2019 15:35:48
>> From: Linux for blind general discussion <blinux-list at redhat.com>
>> To: Linux for blind general discussion <blinux-list at redhat.com>
>> Subject: Re: amazon?
>>
>> Public sites like Amazon are supposed to incorporate css to this end. In fact
>> for a while, perhaps still?  there was a link on the main amazon site
>> advertising that if one wants a more simplified  shopping experience one could
>> go to the access page...which is now a disaster from a keyboard standpoint.
>>
>>
>> On Sat, 24 Aug 2019, Linux for blind general discussion wrote:
>>
>>> Personally, it would be nice if web designers would stop shoehorning
>>> JavaScript and other rich web stuff into pages where the same thing
>>> could be accomplished with plain, old HTML, would stop setting cookies
>>> when they aren't needed, and would do a sanity check to ensure their
>>> forms work properly with keyboard and tabbing.
>>>
>>> That said, a site-side fix to any problem only fixes it for that
>>> specific site, while a browser-side fix could in theory fix it across
>>> many different sites.
>>>
>>> Sadly, there doesn't seem to be much of a happy medium between
>>> lumbering behemoths like Firefox and Chromium that weigh hundreds of
>>> megabytes by the time you add up everything they need to run, and
>>> lightweight html pagers like links, elinks, and lynx that are arguably
>>> only good for accessing web 1.0 content.
>>>
>>> I'd love to ditch Firefox and the GUI in general, but for the sake of
>>> my sanity, I don't think I could make the move without at least the
>>> following features in a text web browser:
>>>
>>> Enough JavaScript/HTML5 support to display pages that use them to load
>>> content, ideally disabled by default with a easy method of toggling it
>>> on when needed or permanently allowing specified sites.
>>>
>>> Navigational hotkeys comparable to those provided when using a
>>> Graphical browser with Orca, NVDA, or JAWS(seriously, some of these
>>> are so handy I wonder how sighted people with mice(including my own
>>> past self) make due without them.
>>>
>>> The option to turn multi-column web pages into single column pages or
>>> to stretch the active cell in a table or element in a form to fit the
>>> screen width.
>>>
>>> And my dream web browser would probably nearly replicate the
>>> Firefox+Orca user experience minus the occasional sluggishness
>>> introduced by the GUI and Python while having auto-converting all
>>> clickables to something that can be activated with spacebar and/or
>>> enter/return and adds in basic keyboard shortcuts for
>>> temporarily/permanently allowing JavaScript/Cookies in the active
>>> tab/from the site in the active tab(If starting with Firefox-like
>>> keybindings, perhaps ctrl+J to toggle JavaScript and ctrl+K to toggle
>>> cookies adding shift to change the permission permanently).
>>>
>>> Sadly, I don't know the first thing about coding a web browser, and
>>> given how long the well known text browsers have been lagging in
>>> regards to the most essential aspects of the modern web, I can only
>>> hope their developers have their reasons for keeping their browsers in
>>> the past and aren't just too lazy/don't know how to modernize their
>>> projects.
>>>
>>> On 8/24/19, Linux for blind general discussion <blinux-list at redhat.com>
>>> wrote:
>>>> Actually, sighted power users prefer text-based browsers when and where
>>>> possible in order to avoid javascript and all that goes with it.  Those
>>>> are decidedly not accessibility users in our sense but do want faster
>>>> access than can be had using graphical browsers.
>>>>
>>>> On Fri, 23 Aug 2019, Linux for blind general discussion wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> Date: Fri, 23 Aug 2019 20:32:51
>>>>> From: Linux for blind general discussion <blinux-list at redhat.com>
>>>>> To: Linux for blind general discussion <blinux-list at redhat.com>
>>>>> Subject: Re: amazon?
>>>>>
>>>>> Well, are you implying I should be forced to run a graphical
>>>>> screen-reader
>>>>> such as Orca, so I can shop at Amazon? I suppose if there were something
>>>>> much
>>>>> better than Orca, I would certainly try it out. My Wife wants me to
>>>>> try-and-shop at Amazon from a Chrome Book. I will experiment.
>>>>> Chime
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