FYI - The Yggdrasil Screen Reader Project

Linux for blind general discussion blinux-list at
Tue Nov 2 13:06:54 UTC 2021

Kyle, why is it that you get so defensive when choice is given? You did it
for Gemini, talking about how bad it is, when you don't have to use it. You
don't have to use this screen reader either. If Orca makes sense to you,
then great. If a new one makes sense to others, that's great too. It means
more Linux users.
Devin Prater
r.d.t.prater at

On Tue, Nov 2, 2021 at 7:49 AM Linux for blind general discussion <
blinux-list at> wrote:

> And there's my point. I did read documentation, but I shouldn't have to
> take a class or get a degree to figure out how part of my screen reader
> is supposed to work. I shouldn't come out of reading documentation to
> try to figure out part of my screen reader only to be left more confused
> than when I started either. I turned on Orca and figured it out right
> away, whereas when I needed to try to get nvda working just to partition
> a disk for someone I was working with at the time, it failed miserably,
> and getting a degree in screen reader design and development just to
> figure out what an object was or how to navigate it simply would not do.
> And I do believe you were made aware of why there is a difference
> between navigation key toggling and focus mode. OK yes, I rather dislike
> focus mode in general, since I can remember when Orca's browser
> navigation just worked, and I could navigate to a text box and just
> start typing something and it would just work, and I could simply tab
> off the textbox to interact with the next control. Sadly those days are
> gone, although there is a setting that gives me back much of this
> functionality. I do still have to turn off structural navigation in some
> cases where I don't want focus mode, but this is due to the website I'm
> using. Focus mode on the nearest text field on for example
> puts me in a field where I would be sending a text message, which is not
> what I want to do when I'm calling a system that needs me to dial
> numbers. And entering into focus mode on an odd part of the page locks
> me into that section, so I am unable to read up or down if needed.
> Fortunately in this case, all I have to do is to turn off structural
> navigation anywhere on the page and just dial the numbers I need. The
> same is true of Google Voice, which I use extensively for my job that
> requires that I enter an agent number and a one-time password to be
> connected. I have found it much easier to just type in my codes with
> structural navigation turned off than to have to go and open the dial
> pad, then find the open text box, which puts me into focus mode and then
> dial my codes. Again, is it perfect? No, not by any stretch, but it's
> also not unusable or even painful. Toggling structural navigation allows
> you to use your navigation keys to do other things in places where you
> don't want focus mode, and I for one don't want to see this
> functionality taken away because you or someone else thinks it's
> unnecessary. It is certainly a necessary part of my workflow, as
> demonstrated above.
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