Fedora 7

[David Zeuthen]

On Jan 6, 2007, at 12:06 PM, Rahul Sundaram wrote:

> David Zeuthen wrote:
>
>> Not sure what you had in mind (examples?) but it's not exactly  
>> true (which is an understatement) though of course relations  
>> between RH employees and non-RH employees wanting to help out too  
>> can be improved. We always tell people to help out upstream; the  
>> only patches we carry are for defaults really. It's just like the  
>> kernel, we tell Fedora people to hack on kernel.org kernels.
>
> Fedora-desktop list is not getting much traffic.

True, it's mostly people who ask support questions / asking for  
misguided features. Sadly.

> All of the desktop team  plans usually happen in a internal list  
> and is completely opaque till it  hits the development tree.

Not entirely true; Rahul, you have access to that list and not a lot  
of _Fedora_ planning is going on so stop spreading misinformation.  
It's mainly used for RHEL stuff. It's true that we have some mails  
sometimes discussing early features for Fedora and, sure, in some  
instances we still need to move the last 5% to the external list. Wrt  
to IRC we also have many discussions externally on #fedora-desktop.  
You also need to realize that we have hallway conversations, that's  
unavoidable but sometimes high-bandwidth communications are needed.

For example, I did post the f-u-s proposal; it didn't receive much  
feedback at all. My take is that the Fedora community largely isn't  
very interested in the desktop (I would loved to be proved wrong,  
don't take this in a non-constructive way); in that way we're  
succesful, for example an avid Fedora user is Richard Hughes and I  
deal a lot with him on upstream lists discussing features in hal and  
g-p-m.

> One of the problems with that is it wrongly appears that there is  
> no desktop development work going on within Fedora.

The desktop team is understaffed, we spend a lot of time in bugzilla  
and doing packaging rather than development. I think you don't  
realize this and this is bad as you should know such things being an  
RH employee. And this is bad.

> PulseAudio?

As Matthias said earlier, Monty is still finalizing that plan for  
external consumption; it's just at very early stages of design and at  
this point bringing it up on a Fedora list is just not productive; of  
course people should feel free to ping him on IRC (nickname xiphmont)  
on #fedora-desktop. No one have really, so I guess that there is  
little interest? Please come forward.

> There has been several other things discussed in earlier releases  
> and now such as evaluating init replacements, codec buddy, GDM  
> early login, stateless linux. home user backup etc which the team  
> might want to keep track of.

This is all something the desktop team cares about but we have not  
have time to do anything about it. You're making it sound like we're  
working on this in secret chambers. It is not so. Please stop the FUD  
about the RH desktop team being secretive, especially when you, as a  
RH employee, should know better as you have access to read our  
internal list. Also, we all hangout on #fedora-desktop on GimpNet so  
it's not like we're difficult to reach. Please join that channel and  
starting _talking_ to us instead of treating us like we want to do  
things secret. Thanks.

       David

>
> Rahul
>
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