[Spacewalk-list] RedHat Subscriptions Management deploying Spacewalk

Wed Mar 8 17:18:20 UTC 2017

Hello Waldirio,
thanks a lot for your exhaustive explanation. Now the overall management is clear.

Definitely, if I understand well, what I see in my deployment (managing all the Linux hosts – RHEL, CENTOS, SLES, Debian) is that using Spacewalk I do not need to install the smart management addon on the RHEL hosts neither to purchase the Satellite subscription. The difference between a Satellite or a Spacewalk deployment is just the support on the Management platform itself. Please, correct me if I’m wrong.

Regarding
- With Spacewalk (deployed on a RedHat registered host), will I see only the Spacewalk server registered on my RedHat Account?
A: Independent of product installed in your rhel, you will be able to see the server via webUI / customer portal.

so I can see all the RHEL registered hosts via customer portal. Is it right?

Best regards,
Rosario
From: spacewalk-list-bounces at redhat.com [mailto:spacewalk-list-bounces at redhat.com] On Behalf Of Waldirio Manhães Pinheiro
Sent: mercoledì 8 marzo 2017 12:55
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Subject: Re: [Spacewalk-list] RedHat Subscriptions Management deploying Spacewalk

Hello Rosario
I'll share another points to you and on sequence I'll answer your questions.
Let's imagine the scenario, you have 100 rhel servers and you would like to register / update all of them, when talking about Satellite, will be necessary one addon named *smart management* and you have to pay for this to all your servers although when talking about SW this one come with the project, then, will be possible to you register 100 rhel's in your SW without problem, on this scenario you will be compliance., now let's imagine, you have 100 rhel subscriptions but you will register 200, you can register one huge number of clients on your SW without problem, but the point is, if you have 100 rhel subscription, you should register on your SW only 100, if you need 200, should be necessary by +100 subscriptions. Technically talking you will not be blocked from SW to register new clients, this is only one legal term that you need take care, if you read the contract, you will see, you can use RHN, Satellite or another way to keep your environment up to date, there isn't restriction BUT the number of subscription is one limiter.
That said, you can download your rhel 6.8 or rhel 7.3 packages for example, create one base channel on your satellite and just upload all packages, after this will be possible define this base channel to your client and voilá, you will be able to reach packages from SW. Remember, to keep erratas up to date, will be necessary do additional steps. To sync different versions of rhel in your SW will be necessary additional scripts or diff ways to download and then upload in your SW.

- Without Spacewalk, on my RedHat account I can see all the hosts registered on RHN belonging to that account. They are supported by RedHat under the SLA described in the contract service, aren’t they?
A: Yeap, if you have one subscription with a valid status, sure, you can just open a new case and Red Hat will help you.

- With Spacewalk (deployed on a RedHat registered host), will I see only the Spacewalk server registered on my RedHat Account?
A: Independent of product installed in your rhel, you will be able to see the server via webUI / customer portal.

- How can I manage all other hosts?
A: This management will be via SW

- Are they under the RedHat support as without the Spacewalk deployment?
A: As I told you, if you have 100 subsc and you are using SW just to manager your environments, doesn't matter, you can ask for support to all of them, now if you need Spacewalk support, this one will not be supported by Red Hat.

I believe now be clear. :-)

Let me know if you have any additional question.

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On Wed, Mar 8, 2017 at 7:08 AM, <rosario.mattera at accenture.com<mailto:rosario.mattera at accenture.com>> wrote:
Thank you Waldirio,
when I say “I’ve the subscriptions for all my RedHat hosts” I mean that I’ve signed a contract with RedHat in order to be able to register on RHN/RHMS all the RHEL hosts I provision on my own infrastructure. Nowadays, not all of those hosts are registered, but the Spacewalk deployment has been planned to avoid the hosts to go massively on Internet to download updates. Thus, I’m going to register these hosts on Spacewalk.

From you response I see that technically it’s possible to manage RedHat hosts via Spacewalk, even if some scripts are needed, but my doubt is about the management of entitlements. There are two scenario but I don’t know which is actually the behavior. I’m trying to figure out here a recap looking for a confirmation:

-         Without Spacewalk, on my RedHat account I can see all the hosts registered on RHN belonging to that account. They are supported by RedHat under the SLA described in the contract service, aren’t they?

-         With Spacewalk (deployed on a RedHat registered host), will I see only the Spacewalk server registered on my RedHat Account?How can I manage all other hosts?Are they under the RedHat support as without the Spacewalk deployment?

Regards,
Rosario

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Subject: Re: [Spacewalk-list] RedHat Subscriptions Management deploying Spacewalk

Hello Rosario, good morning

Well, you can do this configuration for your environment btw I would like to share some points with you. Using SW you can register your RHEL clients and manage everything although will be necessary sync the rpm packages / repositories from Red Hat and add this one on your Satellite. There are some scripts to do this action or you could create your own scripts, I believe you can find on our history.

Once you said *I’ve the subscriptions for all my RedHat hosts* I believe you have *smart management addon* to all your RHEL servers, that's correct ? If yes, I really recommend you align with your red hat sales just to check the Satellite subscription. Why ? the answer is simple, using Satellite, there are a lot of steps that satellite will do for you, like sync red hat repos and erratas will be *automatically* without necessity to do manually, when talking about SW, you can do this but will be necessary implement some or some time a lot of scripts / execute some steps manually.

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Let me know if you have any additional question about it.

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On Tue, Mar 7, 2017 at 2:20 PM, <rosario.mattera at accenture.com<mailto:rosario.mattera at accenture.com>> wrote:
Hi,
I’m trying to configure a Spacewalk server to manage RedHat hosts. I’ve the subscriptions for all my RedHat hosts, but I don’t know how I can manage the subscriptions once all the hosts will be registered on the Spacewalk server rather than the RHN/RHMS. Could someone give me further details on this? I don’t know if a Satellite subscription is mandatory, even because I’ll use Spacewalk to manage other Linux distributions too, such as CentOS, SLES, Debian.

Best regards,
Rosario

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